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On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 10:50:57AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Have you seen the Geek Social Fallacies? > >> > >> I think Fallacy #1

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MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Have you seen the Geek Social Fallacies? >> >> I think Fallacy #1 sheds quite a bit of light on this particular situation >> and the reactio

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MJ Ray wrote on 07/07/2006 13:38: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Have you seen the Geek Social Fallacies? >> >>I think Fallacy #1 sheds quite a bit of light on this particular situation >>and the reactions

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Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you seen the Geek Social Fallacies? > > I think Fallacy #1 sheds quite a bit of light on this particular situation > and the reactions to it. I think the inclusion of *humor

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Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20 Jun 2006, Adam McKenna spake thusly: > > If anyone can do d-i work, and everyone who does d-i work can have > > commit access, then Sven should have commit access. > > > But if not everyone who does d-i work has commit access (but > just

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On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 01:36:31AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > A small clarification that doesn't really have much bearing on what's > going on: in so far as the d-i team is the *Debian* installer team, the > project as a whole (via GR, or representatives like the DPL, tech ctte, > or delegates)

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Clint Adams dijo [Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 02:06:09PM -0400]: > > I beg to differ in a small detail. The project gets to decide > > which _team_ is the official team, but now who all constitute the > > team, or how the team is run internally. > > Why not? Try to force Frans and Sven to wor

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Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I beg to differ in a small detail. The project gets to decide >> which _team_ is the official team, but now who all constitute the >> team, or how the team is run internally. > > Why not? Because the consitution doesn't appear to allow it? --

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> I beg to differ in a small detail. The project gets to decide > which _team_ is the official team, but now who all constitute the > team, or how the team is run internally. Why not? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMA

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On 22 Jun 2006, MJ Ray spake thusly: > Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> [...] You (as in GR, DPL or proper delegate) can always force >>> them out, replace them with someone else or disband the team >>> completly. >> Under which sect

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On 22 Jun 2006, Anthony Towns said: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 11:31:56PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: >> Neither AJ, nor the Tech Ctte., nor even the whole project through >> a GR has the power to make Sven a member of the d-i team unless the >> d-i team is willing to have Sven as a member. > > A sm

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 11:31:56PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > Neither AJ, nor the Tech Ctte., nor even the whole project through a > GR has the power to make Sven a member of the d-i team unless the d-i > team is willing to have Sven as a member. A small clarification that doesn't really have mu

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Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] You (as in GR, DPL or proper delegate) can always force > > them out, replace them with someone else or disband the team > > completly. > Under which section of the constitution? The d-i team isn'

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On 21 Jun 2006, Andreas Barth verbalised: > A GR can definitly override any decision, and restore Sven's commit > access. I find this interesting. If I decide to add a --abi option to make-kpkg, a GR can revert that decision? I can kinda see this happening indirectly, via a fork and e

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This one time, at band camp, Ean Schuessler said: > Frans Pop wrote: > >Bah. That is a gross overexaggeration. No arch has been killed in d-i. > >d-i is, and will remain, perfectly capable of installing powerpc. > > > >As I've said before, there may be a temporary reduction in support > >(specific

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On Wednesday 21 June 2006 20:50, you wrote: > That is where I have a spot of confusion. No one seems to deny the fact > that Sven plays a critical role in producing the PPC port of the > installer. It frames his antics in a different light if his > contributions have been minimal. To be honest I d

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On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 12:52:30PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > If the d-i team takes action that the rest of the project does not agree > with then the project is perfectly capable of deciding that they are no > longer the d-i team. There is no "rest of the project"! The d-i team is, for al

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Frans Pop wrote: Bah. That is a gross overexaggeration. No arch has been killed in d-i. d-i is, and will remain, perfectly capable of installing powerpc. As I've said before, there may be a temporary reduction in support (specifically for the lesser used subarchitectures), but there is absolut

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Manoj Srivastava wrote: We are indeed a volunteer group. We need to at least work well enough together so it remains fun enough for the volunteers to continue to volunteer. When one individual cause enough fun to be sucked out from other people, we need ti step back and figure the s

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On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:52, Ean Schuessler wrote: > I agree that Sven overstepped the limits of good taste in his list > conduct. I also see why Sven would snap a twig over #d-i killing the > PPC install. That is a pretty radical step. Bah. That is a gross overexaggeration. No arch has been k

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Matthew Garrett wrote: No. A GR can override any decision made by the DPL, a delegate or the technical committee. A GR can not override a decision made by an individual developer or a team of developers. I guess you could argue that svn.debian.org is adminned by a delegate of the DPL, and a G

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This one time, at band camp, Goswin von Brederlow said: > As long as the D-I team is a debian team the debian constitution > holds. As such the DPL and a GR have certain powers. Can you point me to the relevant section of the constitution that says this? I see nothing that gives the DPL the power

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Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People keep saying that you can't force volunteers to do anything but > that is wrong. You (as in GR, DPL or proper delegate) can always force > them out, replace them with someone else or disband the team > completly. Under which section of the c

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Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 12:14:42AM -0400, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > >> AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on >> svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. > > Currently hosted perhaps (I really don't know), bu

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* Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060621 12:08]: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A GR can definitly override any decision, and restore Sven's commit > > access. > > No. A GR can override any decision made by the DPL, a delegate or the > technical committee. A GR can not ove

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Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A GR can definitly override any decision, and restore Sven's commit > access. Only if the commit access is deemed by the TC to be a technical question. Well, I guess you could argue that any decision by the TC that a certain question is not a technical o

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Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A GR can definitly override any decision, and restore Sven's commit > access. No. A GR can override any decision made by the DPL, a delegate or the technical committee. A GR can not override a decision made by an individual developer or a team of devel

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On Wednesday 21 June 2006 11:07, Frans Pop wrote: > On Wednesday 21 June 2006 10:42, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > So to back up your assertion that I couldn't possibly have missed it > > could you please provide some references to the lots of times it's > > apparently been mentioned before

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On Wednesday 21 June 2006 10:42, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > So to back up your assertion that I couldn't possibly have missed it > could you please provide some references to the lots of times it's > apparently been mentioned before? AFAIK it has previously only been posted in the open bu

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On Tuesday 20 June 2006 19:16, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 12:53:00PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 20 June 2006 11:49, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > > * cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060620 11:02]: > > > > judging from

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* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060621 07:56]: > Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > > AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on > > svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. I don't see why the > > DPL would have authority over the mailing lists (hosted on a

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* Chris Waters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060621 04:22]: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:55:42PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:09:10PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > > It doesn't matter! The DPL has no authority in the matter! > > > He seems to think he does. At least, he has

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On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 10:06:02AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:01:47PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > Frankly, as someone who is looking into setting up a support team for > > some debian packages, I am appalled at the notion that the DPL can > > dictate who can and can

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* Benjamin Seidenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-21 06:15]: > AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on > svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. I don't see why the > DPL would have authority over the mailing lists (hosted on a debian > machine and main

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On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 12:14:42AM -0400, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on > svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. Currently hosted perhaps (I really don't know), but alternate hosting could probably be found if the

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Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on > svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. I don't see why the > DPL would have authority over the mailing lists (hosted on a debian > machine and maintained by the list admins) but not t

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:01:47PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > Frankly, as someone who is looking into setting up a support team for > some debian packages, I am appalled at the notion that the DPL can > dictate who can and can't be a member of my team. Ugh; that's not what's happening here at al

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Chris Waters wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:55:42PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:09:10PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: >> >>> It doesn't matter! The DPL has no authority in the matter! >>> > > >> He seems to think he does. At least, he has authori

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On 20 Jun 2006, Ean Schuessler stated: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> We have, by and large, despite the cat-calls about cabals from the >> peanut gallery, managed to make broad decisions rationally. I >> don't think we are all in a vast conspiracy to gang up on a fine >> contributor without actual

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:55:42PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:09:10PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > It doesn't matter! The DPL has no authority in the matter! > He seems to think he does. At least, he has authority to stop abuse > of the mailing lists if he thinks i

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:09:10PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > It doesn't matter! The DPL has no authority in the matter! He seems to think he does. At least, he has authority to stop abuse of the mailing lists if he thinks it's happening. > > If it's final, there shouldn't be any more discuss

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Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree but we must focus on results. I'm afraid of Debian becoming some > painfully polite court where people are forever trying to score points > on one and other by faulting their manners. I understand the concern about slippery slopes, but that slo

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:41:46PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:01:47PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > Such orders would be both unreasonable and unenforcable! (Worst case, > > the d-i maintainers could pick up and move their repository to a > > separate host under thei

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:41:46 -0700 Adam McKenna wrote: > If it's still up for discussion, then Sven is right to continue > advocating for his position. Repeating same argument over and over again is not really discussing by my vocabulary. The way I see it, Sven is bringing no new arguments, and

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:01:47PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > Frankly, as someone who is looking into setting up a support team for > some debian packages, I am appalled at the notion that the DPL can > dictate who can and can't be a member of my team. The DPL did not decide that Sven be removed

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:01:47PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > Frankly, as someone who is looking into setting up a support team for > some debian packages, I am appalled at the notion that the DPL can > dictate who can and can't be a member of my team. > > Quite aside from whatever the facts may

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Manoj Srivastava wrote: It is also very upsetting when technical discussions immediately escalate into insults, distortion of motivation, accusations of wanting to hurt Debian, or the users, of being hide bound in pride and stupidity, having agendas that smack of discrimination, power

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:07:00AM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > If anyone can do d-i work, and everyone who does d-i work can have commit > access, That's obviously not the case--Sven can't. :P > then Sven should have commit access. Frankly, as someone who is looking into setting up a support

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Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:32 -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: >> Social politics creeping into Debian is one of the greater mortal >> dangers that we face. > > I surely hope not. Your mail suggests that someone who has severe social > problems but is techn

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On 19 Jun 2006, Ean Schuessler spake thusly: > cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: >> - AFAIK nobody is arguing that Sven's patches aren't up to snuff >> technically >> - AFAIK he hasn't ever abused his d-i commit rights (when he had >> them) >> > These are critical questions. As an uninvolved thi

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On 20 Jun 2006, Adam McKenna spake thusly: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:27:29AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:32:03PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: >>> Was his access suspended because he simply was not liked? >> >> AFAICS, from the installer team's point of view, he resign

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 12:53:00PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 20 June 2006 11:49, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > * cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060620 11:02]: > > > judging from that Sven was definately in the wrong, of course that log

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On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:32 -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > Social politics creeping into Debian is one of the greater mortal > dangers that we face. I surely hope not. Your mail suggests that someone who has severe social problems but is technically competent is per definition fit as a developer.

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:27:29AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:32:03PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > > Was his access suspended because he simply was not liked? > > AFAICS, from the installer team's point of view, he resigned from the > team, and the access was suspended

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:08:55AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > http://www.wolffelaar.nl/~jeroen/sven-revokes-js-svn-from-kernel Is that the incident for which he apologized profusely & publicly? --Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Cont

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On Tuesday 20 June 2006 06:32, Ean Schuessler wrote: > cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > - AFAIK nobody is arguing that Sven's patches aren't up to snuff > > technically > > - AFAIK he hasn't ever abused his d-i commit rights (when he had them) > > These are critical questions. As an uninvolv

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On Tuesday 20 June 2006 11:49, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060620 11:02]: > > judging from that Sven was definately in the wrong, of course that log > > doesn't give any explanation at all of Sven's side of the story, so it > > doesn't give enough inf

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:27:29AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:32:03PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > > Was his access suspended because he simply was not liked? > AFAICS, from the installer team's point of view, he resigned from the > team, and the access was suspended as

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"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:12:15PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > Just for the record, he may have not abused his d-i commit rights but > > > > did abuse his d-k svn admin rights. > > two wrongs don't make a right, that'd be a sepperate iss

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* cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060620 11:02]: > judging from that Sven was definately in the wrong, of course that log > doesn't give any explanation at all of Sven's side of the story, so it > doesn't give enough information to get a complete picture. if you start only now to

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On Tuesday 20 June 2006 08:08, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:43:35PM -0700, Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:12:15PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:53:18PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:32:03PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > Was his access suspended because he simply was not liked? AFAICS, from the installer team's point of view, he resigned from the team, and the access was suspended as a logical conclusion of that resignation. >From his point of view

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:43:35PM -0700, Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:12:15PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:53:18PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - AFAIK he hasn't ever abused his d-i comm

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:12:15PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:53:18PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - AFAIK he hasn't ever abused his d-i commit rights (when he had them) > > Just for the record, he may have not abused his d-i commi

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cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: - AFAIK nobody is arguing that Sven's patches aren't up to snuff technically - AFAIK he hasn't ever abused his d-i commit rights (when he had them) These are critical questions. As an uninvolved third-party I have still not been able to determine why his ac

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:53:18PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - AFAIK he hasn't ever abused his d-i commit rights (when he had them) Just for the record, he may have not abused his d-i commit rights but did abuse his d-k svn admin rights. Mike -- To UNSUBSC

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> - AFAIK nobody is arguing that Sven's patches aren't up to snuff > technically > - AFAIK he hasn't ever abused his d-i commit rights (when he had them) > > => so IMO there's no _technical_ reason not to give him back his commit >rights This is also my understanding of the situation, and I

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On Monday 19 June 2006 08:27, MJ Ray wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, you say i have been replaced, and this means you speak about > > Colin Watson [...] > > Either that's a guess, or telepathy. I'd guess it's a guess, but > either way, it's not going to help anything chan

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There were two points in the post which open more questions than they answer: Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They have been replaced as far as possible and a call for extra help has > been sent out several times to the d-powerpc list and has even been > published in DWN. We have had some r

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Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, you say i have been replaced, and this means you speak about Colin > Watson [...] Either that's a guess, or telepathy. I'd guess it's a guess, but either way, it's not going to help anything change. Either the guess is right, which makes it a pre-em

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On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 08:44:41PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > Will there be a working d-i on powerpc without Sven Luther's > > contributions? > > Yes, there will be. Certainly for the main chrp subarchitecture (which > includes the powerbooks so many developers use) and hopefully for others > a

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On Sunday 18 June 2006 19:41, MJ Ray wrote: > - Sven has powerpc skills which look vital to d-i and haven't been > replaced; They have been replaced as far as possible and a call for extra help has been sent out several times to the d-powerpc list and has even been published in DWN. We have h

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Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 01:12:38PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > The only other *possible* ways you can overrule the d-i team's decision > > to treat your March mail [0] as a resignation from the d-i team, or to > > overrule their decision to decline your

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ng at > the moment I wouldn't need much convincing to go further and support > expulsion proceedings. I had _no_ axe to grind with you before this > sorry mess started - it's entirely your actions in the last couple of > months that have made my mind up. Think on that, *pleas

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On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:06:16PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > >This is not what happened, and i have told both you and Steve that your >decision will cause a worse mess, and that this will only mean regular repeats >of what we have now. I trusted you and Steve, not to do what i wanted, but to >be

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On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 01:12:38PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:48:59AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > [...] [The DPL] clearly mentioned that the only way to solve this > > was going through the TC (of which as i was told 3 members are already > > against > > me even wit

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