* MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-06 09:36]:
My question about unsubbing Christoph Berg from Planet Debian was more
about: do we think it will recur and should we draw a line here?
Given that this question comes from someone who has ben unsubscribed
from planet before I consider this highly
Le jeudi 07 juin 2007 à 14:47 +0200, Patrick Frank a écrit :
And thats why the clear words in direction of Sam Hocevar, who did
parts of his electoral campaign on costs of Sven Luther.
And no, Kalle Kivimaa, I dont need proof in form of a web cache that
shows the old content of
Gerfried Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-06 09:36]:
My question about unsubbing Christoph Berg from Planet Debian was more
about: do we think it will recur and should we draw a line here?
Given that this question comes from someone who has ben
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From: Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jun 8, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: What do Open Source Projects need? - part 3
To: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 6/8/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And no, Kalle Kivimaa, I dont need proof
On 6/8/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you are a damn fucking troll and liar.
Your accusations are not only full of lies
You are a complete moron, and you don't code anything
Is this the spirit of most debian developers?
I can see clearly how it must be like for people who
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007, MJ Ray wrote:
Rough translation follows. Anyone willing to authenticate?
Feb 06 13:47:31 aba That from sam is timely
To be fair, voll daneben is closer here to off the mark.
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Sam.
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On 6/8/07, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
stop republishing private email.
You are cute. really.
Just a few mails ago you claim I am riding a hobby horse throught
mailing lists. You mentioned the gNewSense mailing list here.
Point of that call for debate was privacy.
The head of Freenode
Rough translation follows. Anyone willing to authenticate?
Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OFTC, channel #debian.de:
Feb 06 13:24:41 Zugschlus Hm. Svenl stands for DPL?
Feb 06 13:26:46 GyrosGeier Yes
Feb 06 13:26:59 GyrosGeier and the mudslinging is ready to start
Feb 06 13:36:23
On 6/8/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay. Now be a good boy, go back to your cage and program.
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greetings,
Patrick Frank
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007, Patrick Frank wrote:
Feb 06 13:39:38 GyrosGeier Tolimar, http://sam2007.zoy.org/
Feb 06 13:39:51 GyrosGeier Tolimar, ich habe so ein Gefühl, daß Sven
darauf reagiert
Sven told me on February 25th in front of several other DDs that he
was going to vote for me. Mein
Paddy, *what* do you want? I'm missing any essense in your mails.
Your responses to other people, however, clearly contain a certain
troll level and more accusations that don't lead anywhere. (the
accusations of the oters as well, fwiw).
Regards,
Joey
PS: Could you stop sending HTML
On 6/8/07, Joey Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you want me to cry now like some of your friends, because you
reply to my private email on this list? :)
The situation is that a few developers are trolling _me_ as reaction
to my public opinion, and based on that given hostile climate I
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 05:52:33PM +0200, Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 6/8/07, Joey Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you want me to cry now like some of your friends, because you
reply to my private email on this list? :)
I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be
Patrick Frank wrote:
On 6/8/07, Joey Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you want me to cry now like some of your friends, because you
reply to my private email on this list? :)
I have no idea what you're smoking, but you should stop it.
My mail contained only text written by myself.
It is
Le vendredi 08 juin 2007 à 17:52 +0200, Patrick Frank a écrit :
P.S.: Mark Shuttleworth, you have all my sympathy for recognizing
the weakness of the Debian Project early enough to do it
better.
(/me waits for Matt Zimmerman to show up magically)
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: :' : We are
Hi,
* Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-08 19:53]:
Le vendredi 08 juin 2007 à 13:49 +0200, Patrick Frank a écrit :
On 6/8/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
You are absolutely incredible. Really. I don't know of anyone who can
troll better than you.
* First,
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 08:17:27PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
Hi,
* Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-08 19:53]:
Le vendredi 08 juin 2007 à 13:49 +0200, Patrick Frank a écrit :
On 6/8/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
You are absolutely incredible. Really. I
Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
P.S.: Mark Shuttleworth, you have all my sympathy for recognizing
the weakness of the Debian Project early enough to do it better.
It's already been made clear to you that you're not welcome in the
Ubuntu community. Please don't try to
Planet Debian was
more about: do we think it will recur and should we draw a line
here?
And this is a complete misunderstanding of my movitation to post the
mails under the subject What do Open Source Projects need.
I do not plan to attack Christoph Berg.
I do not plan to deface anybody.
And I
the
mails under the subject What do Open Source Projects need. [...]
No, it's not. I simply don't care about the current hobby horse being
ridden through debian, gNewSense and other free software projects. My
question was a related point, but I don't claim it's based on
understanding the entire
Patrick Frank wrote:
But do we need people with special priviledges in responsible
positions like Christoph Berg aka Myon who make public
statements about other developers like this:
There are always people and situations in which people misbehave. I'm
pretty sure that it even happened to you
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
The benefit of Planet Debian in this case is even that the log entry
will expire after a shot while and it not visible to the public on
that site anymore, contrary to mailing-list posts. [...]
However, I think it will live forever in the archives
MJ Ray wrote:
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
The benefit of Planet Debian in this case is even that the log entry
will expire after a shot while and it not visible to the public on
that site anymore, contrary to mailing-list posts. [...]
However, I think it will live
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 11:10:51AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
My question about unsubbing Christoph Berg from Planet Debian was more
about: do we think it will recur and should we draw a line here?
Christoph has not shown a pattern that will allow us to anticipate
more of such entries in
Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
But do we need people with special priviledges in responsible
positions like Christoph Berg aka Myon who make public
statements about other developers like this: [...]
I emailed myon @ debian.org about that the day after it was posted,
but I've had
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Patrick Frank wrote:
**, you suck.
I desperately hope Debian will recover from these months.
PS: Please go see a psychologist. Really.
Such public statements are not surprising since Sam Hocevar
was elected as new Debian Project Leader back
On 11040 March 1977, MJ Ray wrote:
But do we need people with special priviledges in responsible
positions like Christoph Berg aka Myon who make public
statements about other developers like this: [...]
I emailed myon @ debian.org about that the day after it was posted,
but I've had no
it is more important that a majority of people who are
involved with Debian directly or indirectly understand my points.
And I am unsure if Christoph has issues with me or if I have issues with
him or maybe both.
I think more than my postings under the subject What do Open Source
Projects need? I
Patrick Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
when I look back to the old days on Undernet back in the late 90s
[snip]
When discussing ad hominem attacks, it's often smart not to make such
attacks yourself.
like Sven you are looking at the wrong end. With a proper conflict
management the first
Hi,
On Monday 04 June 2007 12:21, Patrick Frank wrote:
If Sven Luther was active within the Debian Project for 8 years and
one conflict between him, Frans Pop and maybe 1 or 2 other people lead
to drama
If that only would be the case. Sven had serious problems with much more than
three
On 6/4/07, Kalle Kivimaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Attacks without proof are less than worthless, they only make others to
ignore your other points.
To such a spirit there is nothing more to add.
--
greetings,
Patrick Frank
Open Source projects need for sure multiple things to be
beneficial to the project members as well as to communities
of users.
And without skilled programmers who do a lot of development
work there would not be Free Software to share.
But do we need people with special priviledges in
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:31:39AM +0200, Patrick Frank wrote:
Such public statements are not surprising since Sam Hocevar
was elected as new Debian Project Leader back in April after
many public defacements were targeted at Sven Luther by him
during the electoral campaign.
Are you a paid
On 6/4/07, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you a paid troll, or do you do this on a volunteer basis?
If you aim to be humorous I find the situation of Sven Luther
not suitable for that.
In case this is your way of dealing with with my opinion,
then I have to add you to the list
Patrick Frank wrote:
On 6/4/07, *Steve Langasek* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you a paid troll, or do you do this on a volunteer basis?
If you aim to be humorous I find the situation of Sven Luther
not suitable for that.
In case this is your way of dealing with
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