Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
Taking this to -project, since i am no more a DD. On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 10:36:41AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:20:03AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:52:11AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Decision After reading through

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote: Taking this to -project, since i am no more a DD. I'm very unsure whether this was a reasonable move but I will at least remove quotings from private. I also must have missed the point in some mails because I have not seen any sign that you were

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: Taking this to -project, since i am no more a DD. Not sure if all readers here have the original. Sven has not been expulsed and hence is still a DD. Regards, Joey -- Life is a lot easier when you have someone to share it with. -- Sean Perry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Joey Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: So, after Andrew Suffield, after Jonathan/Ted Walter, it is my turn, because i Before everybody starts to believe this, Andrew Suffield has not been expulsed either. Regards, Joey -- Life is a lot easier when you have someone to share it with. -- Sean Perry --

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:50:04AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote: Taking this to -project, since i am no more a DD. I'm very unsure whether this was a reasonable move but I will at least remove quotings from private. I also must have missed the point

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread MJ Ray
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote: So, after Andrew Suffield, after Jonathan/Ted Walter, it is my turn, Mentioning yourself in this row is like comparing apples and pears (hope that this figure works also in English) and I'm really sad that you

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:10:13PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: Sven Luther wrote: So, after Andrew Suffield, after Jonathan/Ted Walter, it is my turn, because i Before everybody starts to believe this, Andrew Suffield has not been expulsed either. No, but he was under an expulsion

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:45:09AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Essentially, what I guess I'm suggesting is that the debian project's government is malfunctioning. I know it may be a controversial analogy, but if you see DAMs as our disciplinary panel, our judges, then we have given them too few

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Joey Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: Joey, if i came back in a year, at the minor difference between me and others, it would be he is backsliding again, and another round of this mess. This entirely depends you your own behaviour. I hope you're doing well in the meantime and can come back relaxed. Regards,

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote: Well, you where not opposed to the likes of Frans, Manoj and Anthony, ... I think I tend to express my disagreement in different amplitude but even more importantly different *frequency*. I wonder if sending mails like this to debian-project is your

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:58:34PM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote: Hello Sven, 1) I am very curious about your medical degree, and how you managed to diagnostic a mental disorder. Does this not strike you as a bit haughty ? No, I'm very clearly saying that I'm not qualified to do such as

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, MJ Ray wrote: This one is also different in a way: the suspension seems to stop Sven Luther's positive contributions, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't stop what were described as his negative contributions, mainly to mailing lists and the BTS. The punishment does not

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:55:24PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Joey, if i came back in a year, at the minor difference between me and others, it would be he is backsliding again, and another round of this mess. This entirely depends you your own behaviour. I hope

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:27:54PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote: Well, you where not opposed to the likes of Frans, Manoj and Anthony, ... I think I tend to express my disagreement in different amplitude but even more importantly different *frequency*.

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread MJ Ray
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, MJ Ray wrote: [...] Sven, while continuing beeing your fiend [...] Paging Dr Freud Paging Dr Freud... ;-) Hmmm, I did not intended to be active in this thread any more, but I need some enlightement to decipher this. [...]

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sven, will you stop replying -private mails on -project ? Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:54:44PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sven, will you stop replying -private mails on -project ? Why should i ? I have been expelled from debian, and can't read -private anymore, so

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:59:46PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:54:44PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sven, will you stop replying -private mails on -project ?

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:09:54PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:59:46PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:54:44PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread MJ Ray
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Disclosing messages from -private without poster's agreement is a real bad attitude. [-private trimmed] I agree, but Sven Luther is not the first person to do that. He's not even the first person to widen circulation of a conversation unilaterally in this

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:49:29PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:32:48PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:09:54PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:59:46PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070328 14:32]: 42nd time: you have not been expelled. And no, I don't want to hear again that it's the same. Right, you don't want to hear, just like i was not banned from the lists in december, right ? No, you haven't been banned, neither back in

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:59:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:54:44PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sven, will you stop replying -private mails on -project ? Why should i ? I

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther (aka: why I'm now convinced he needs therapy)

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 09:42:42AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:59:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:54:44PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sven, will

Formal inquiry about who censored the wiki pages ...

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
Hello Fellow debian developpers, I have now come with a very grave problem, and that it is that someone has apparently censored the wiki pages, and actually removed material there, which is evidence in my favour in this matter, not reverted, but actually removed from the wiki page. The

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:52:48PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Aigars Mahinovs wrote: Alexis Sukrieh wrote: * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) : I wanted that the expulsion be judged on his own, and not because i had behaved or not. Sven, this _is_ all about your behaviour.

A not so Formal inquiry about who censored the wiki pages ...

2007-03-28 Thread Geert Stappers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Fellow debian developpers, I have now come with a very grave problem, and that it is that someone has apparently censored the wiki pages, and actually removed material there, which is evidence in my favour in this matter, not reverted, but

Re: A not so Formal inquiry about who censored the wiki pages ...

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 09:56:28PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: Hello Fellow debian developpers, I did seen a modify message like revert, to remove spam. The deleted lines did look like links to porn. So to me is this inquiry is about lost porn :-) Those who believe it is about

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Brian May
Sven, I don't think anything you could say will reverse this decision. If anything people are using whatever you say against you. As unfair as this decision might be, you would probably be better of conserving your time for more productive tasks. Thanks. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To

Re: Formal inquiry about who censored the wiki pages ...

2007-03-28 Thread Brian May
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven I now thus ask officially that the DAMs step in, and act Sven accordying to their power and obligation, and expulse from Sven debian whoever it was who has abused his debian account in Sven such a way. I don't think this is

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:45:09AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: [...] I think the route forward is to GR changes to section 8.1, but I'm fairly sure that that will fail if I lead it. With any luck, either a DAM or DPL will start the process before I do.

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:56:52AM +1000, Brian May wrote: Sven, I don't think anything you could say will reverse this decision. If anything people are using whatever you say against you. As unfair as this decision might be, you would probably be better of conserving your time for more

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Chris Lawrence
On 3/29/07, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:56:52AM +1000, Brian May wrote: Sven, I don't think anything you could say will reverse this decision. If anything people are using whatever you say against you. As unfair as this decision might be, you would

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 01:03:39AM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: On 3/29/07, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:56:52AM +1000, Brian May wrote: Sven, I don't think anything you could say will reverse this decision. If anything people are using whatever you say