On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 01:16:55PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> I have said repeatedly that I am not expressing an opinion about what Debian
> does with regard to python-minimal. The only reason I am participating in
> this thread is to answer questions about what we did in Ubuntu and why, and
>
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:16:55AM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> > The difference between "installed" ("was installed initially") and
> > "installed" ("is installed now"). The compromise we struck with upstream
> > was that we would not give the user a system with a "broken" Python. If
> > they c
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:56:59PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 12:12:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > * allowing us to easily use python (as well as C, C++ and perl) for
> > programs
> > in the base system
> > * allowing us
debian-python Cc'ed
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:02:32PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote:
> > This is something that Python upstream explicitly does not want; the only
> > reason for creating python-minimal was so that it could be Essential: yes,
> > not to support stripped-down Python installations.
> S
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:45:29PM -0500, Eric Cooper wrote:
> I saw today that the python-minimal package in unstable is tagged as
> Essential (and currently pulls in python2.3). According to policy,
> this is supposed to happen only after discussion on debian-devel and
> consensus is reached, bu
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:34:12PM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:49, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:44:22PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> > > The negative effect for the users is that you can't upgrade p
ssue at
> hand.
Sure you can:
$ sudo apt-get install python2.3
The dependency stuff merely notes that upgrading python without also
upgrading wxgtk-python may break stuff.
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keep expecting to see the same set of problems affect python.
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27;t be an issue.
> reportbug
> priority problem, should be tagged as pending
Huh? What's tagging it as "pending" meant to do? It's not a bug and
should simply be closed, afaics. If anything, it should be reassigned
to python2.2 or ftp.debian.org.
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I hope so :-)
Ha. Haha. Hahahahahaha.
(You're going to have to get _everything_ that has a "python-"
all in sync, including everything it depends on, with no RC bugs all at
the same time, and keep it that way for a week... Well, it's not quite that
bad, but it's close)
Cheer
ave before we decide to stop
making any changes.
In short: you get to decide what sarge-as-stable will look like *now*. If
you choose not to do that, you probably won't get to make a decision. If
your want your fallback position to be "python 2.2 as default", then
you need to ge
e " after every default python upgrade.
Uh, no, you don't have this option. This is only okay if you're distributing
a script that's fully expected to work without changes in future versions of
python.
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h? Aren't these things only called after the package is installed (or while
it's installing)? In which case, the joker's non-official python package has
already had it's postinst run as root, and the joker already has complete
control of your machine.
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Hi guys,
For no apparent reason, python conflicts with the current versions of
python-pyqt and sip. Why is this? Can someone please fix it (either by
removing the conflicts from python, or NMU'ing python-pyqt and sip)?
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les having RC bugs.
I'm looking into it as time permits.
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 07:22:36AM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > python1.5's still useful to users, isn't it, especially ones with
> > important python programs
> that was the precondition for the removal. Currently there are xtalk
> and
rtant python programs they don't want to port to 2.1 just yet?
Dropping python1.5 doesn't seem a particularly clever thing to do.
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C'mon, guys. Somebody gave an aardvark a nose-
,
at which point they could have:
python_2.2.3-1.deb
python2.1_2.1.1-4.deb
python2.2_2.2.3-1.deb
python-foo.deb
bar.deb
all installed. But since python-foo provided python version 2.1 modules
(and depends upon python2.1), the script will no
ll break).
Either Depend: on "python, plucker" (with versions as appropriate) and
use #!/usr/bin/python (or /usr/bin/env python) or Depend: on "pythonX.Y,
pluckerX.Y" and use #!/usr/bin/pythonX.Y. The latter is probably not a
useful thing to do in general.
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 02:46:19PM +0100, Bastian Kleineidam wrote:
> Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Uh, yes, they are equivalent.
> Ah, yes, given that the Python-Policy only allows one default
> Python interpreter, not more than one.
Given that dpkg allows only one package cal
e lintian error, but this is a dpkg/apt/whatever bug, not a
> Python-Policy bug.
dpkg, apt, testing, etc, all work fine with depends of that form. It's
used by apache modules extensively, eg.
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ends: python (>= 2.1), python (<< 2.2)
This is a lintian bug. It's not bothering to notice that one's a less-than
and the other's a greater-than.
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rries for them yet.
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"Security here. Yes, maam. Yes. Groucho glasses. Yes, we're on it.
C'mon, guys. Somebod
python2.0-ldap
Depends: python2.0
if you wanted to maintain python-ldap in a way that makes it easier to
keep older versions in the archive (as compared to python-apt, which
would need to be repackaged more carefully).
That's how I thought Matthias' last proposal wou
second. Admins who need an old version of python
can cope with changing the top line in the few scripts where it matters
from /usr/bin/env python to /usr/bin/pythonX.Y. Python hackers trying
to keep up with the van Rossums ought to be able to manage to use the
"altinstall" target without bre
nice, but having the main version
be simple to handle and robust seems a lot more important. (Saying "Hey,
Debian's Python is 2.1.1! But you can't install 1.5 in /usr/local without
taking some care" is way better than saying "Debian's Python is 1.5! Yeah,
we know that
B-D on pythonX.Y-dev instead of
python-dev? If they break in the future, they'll just stop building
correctly and obviously need source changes anyway, no? Much like the
various problems we have when gcc stops supporting some random way of
coding that used to work.
I presume the Depends: for
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 01:31:50AM -0400, David M. Cooke wrote:
> At some point, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Again, _why_ does this matter? Who does this? Is it even remotely common?
> > That people would even consider installing another version of python in
> > /usr/local su
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:32:33AM -0700, Neil Schemenauer wrote:
> Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:13:17AM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote:
> > > Say, you would install 2.1.2 in /usr/local.
> > How about we just say "Don't install other ve
scripts invoking "#!/usr/bin/env python",
and having "the appropriate" dependencies?
And again, this isn't an exercise in formal specification, it's more
important to get something that's effective, useful and easily implemented
right now than something that's
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:39:06PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > ] python-2.1_2.1.1
> > ] python_2.1.1 (depends on python-2.1) (does "ln /usr/bin/python{2.1,}")
> > ] python-2.1-_ (depends on python-2.1)
> > ] python-_ (depen
onably consistent and workable.
Anyway, I think those made sense to me, so I'll happily shut up now.
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ally
support people running two different versions of python on the one machine
or not, afaics, you either get one or the other (or you make it hard for
people to refer to the packages at all, like Depends: python | python2 |
python21 | python30 | ...; Provides: would stop you from being able to use
dep
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 10:28:58AM -0700, Neil Schemenauer wrote:
> Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Hrm. That doesn't seem to make sense. For example, Python 2.1 supports
> > the Python 2.0 API completely, and Python 2.2 supports the Python 2.1
> > API completely too, doesn&#
problems as
far as porting (oh no! everything python related must be rebuilt right
now!) or the unstable->testing process is concerned.
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o that python needs to be in basically its final form (no new
packages etc) and free of RC bugs by the end of next month. (It's in
standard now, thanks to reportbug)
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ting or unstable systems; and if you can get everything
rewritten/rebuilt relatively quickly, I'd say it's worth doing.
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``_An
2 features, though, would just need to declare a dependency on
"python (>> 2.0-1)" or "python-2", though, which is nice and easy.
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y
on /usr/bin/python actually being python 2 if you do this.
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