Re: Bug#346281: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686: debconf question about /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686 even if no kernel is installed

2006-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 08:49:33AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: CCing the release team, since this has impact on the releasability of etch. Oops, forgot to add the CC, ... On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:00:57PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:53:03 +0100, Sven Luther [EMAIL

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060110 21:16]: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 05:19:47PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: difference to this. It might however make an difference to GPL-compatibility, unless the license is GPL-compatible anyways. Nope, please read my posts on debian-legal about this

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine code destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for. This is incorrect. I know firmware[tm] blobs which only includes data. You can't

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 12:56:44PM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine code destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for. This is

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* Bastian Blank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060111 12:57]: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine code destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for. This is incorrect. I

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Bastian Blank wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine code destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for. This is incorrect. I know firmware[tm] blobs which only

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andreas Barth wrote: * Bastian Blank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060111 12:57]: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine code destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for.

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 12:14:10PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Sven Luther wrote: 2) there are now drivers which contains non-free firmware blobs, with explicit licence, and these are thus distributable. A quick search for fw_ revealed 159 such files in 2.6.15. I would like to

Re: non-free firmware in the linux kernel

2006-01-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Kyle McMartin wrote: The question is: when you remove the firmware from the driver, and all it is, is a file sitting in /lib/firmware/; and it's contents are just non-executable hex, Sorry, it is executable. For instance, the tg3 code is simply MIPS binary which can be disassembled with

Re: non-free firmware

2006-01-11 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: licenced modules. If we don't want to do that, the most honest way to handle it is to get another GR out the door,explaining that this is not easily possible or convenient at this time, and asking for an explicit exception for kernel firmware. I would second such a GR. I

Re: non-free firmware

2006-01-11 Thread Joey Hess
Nathanael Nerode wrote: Second, the issues with the installer -- Your analysis of the modules that would be needed by the installer does not take all possible installation methods and hardware combinations into account, notably missing a) network cards b)

Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Steve Langasek wrote: the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month. That's a decision that needs to be made together with the people who will be doing security support for the kernel in etch.

Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:16:59PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month. That's a decision that needs to be made together with

Re: Bug#347402: nip2: depends on libdps1 which is no more available

2006-01-11 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while this *particular* spurious dependency will go away with a simple rebuild of the application (already queued on the autobuilders for each of these packages BTW), the underlying problem is that these packages don't have very good library handling .

Re: Bug#347402: nip2: depends on libdps1 which is no more available

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 07:08:14PM -0500, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while this *particular* spurious dependency will go away with a simple rebuild of the application (already queued on the autobuilders for each of these packages BTW), the underlying

Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:16:59PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month. That's a decision that needs to be made together with the

Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-11 17:31]: The mips kernels, though built from a separate source package, use the sources from the common kernel source package via a build-dependency. This discussion is a waste of time anyway. There's no religious reason why the mips kernel is not

gtk+extra and gpsim in bad, bad shape

2006-01-11 Thread Amaya
Hi there! Due to the xlibs-dev transition, I intend to NMU the following packages: === | Intend to NMU | === | 346347