Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 04:49:33PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it reads to me that we won't screw our users without second thought like some here are proposing. In my opinion, we have been screwing our users for years by lying to them

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) either move the individual affected drivers or just their firmware if possible to non-free, and keep the cripled kernel in main. This is certainly the last resort, in my opinion, but it isn't crippled. Merely not supporting particular pieces of

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4) pass a GR explaining the issue as is, and admitting our incapacity to fix it with 2 or 3 due to lack of ressources. We do not need a GR to simply follow our existing procedures. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:57:36AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) either move the individual affected drivers or just their firmware if possible to non-free, and keep the cripled kernel in main. This is certainly the last resort, in my

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:58:33AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4) pass a GR explaining the issue as is, and admitting our incapacity to fix it with 2 or 3 due to lack of ressources. We do not need a GR to simply follow our existing

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:58:33AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 4) pass a GR explaining the issue as is, and admitting our incapacity to fix it with 2 or 3 due to lack of ressources. We do not need a

Hinting of linux-ntfs.

2006-08-09 Thread David Martínez Moreno
Hello, developers. I have seen that linux-ntfs 1.13.1 is not advancing to testing due to the freeze. I thought that fjp was looking into it. We ran into problems with 1.13.1 (see #379628), but in fact it turned out to be a problem in how the partition size is chosen (size units,

Re: Hinting of linux-ntfs.

2006-08-09 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 12:17, David Martínez Moreno wrote: Hello, developers. I have seen that linux-ntfs 1.13.1 is not advancing to testing due to the freeze. I thought that fjp was looking into it. We ran into problems with 1.13.1 (see #379628), but in fact it turned out to be

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 02:01:33AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nope, the issue only surfaced early after the sarge release, a bit less than a year ago, when the new kernel team formed. It was discussed *before* sarge was released that there was

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Scores in that thread: who how many -- A. Spragg 1 A. Thornton1 B. Gerardo 1 D. Dickinson 1 F. Schueler1 G. Danchev 1 G. von Brederlow 4 J.

Need advice regarding gettext 0.15

2006-08-09 Thread Santiago Vila
Hello. In order not to repeat sarge mistakes, I have a simple question for the release managers: Am I in time to upload gettext 0.15? This is the upstream NEWS file: === Version 0.15 - July 2006 * GUI program support: - PO

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hallo, On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 02:02:42AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: We can simply take our time to do (2). It is the job of a package maintainer to check the licenses of their software; if the kernel team cannot do so by December, even with help, I don't mind waiting. then, please,

Please reschedule libgnomesu 0.9.5-3 on ARM

2006-08-09 Thread Andreas Metzler
Hello, libgnomesu 0.9.5-3 initialy FTBFS to temporary uninstallable build-depends and when vorlon re-scheduled on july 31st it suffered the same fate as the directfb transition temporarily wreaked havoc. Please rerescedule it. Thanks. cu and- release goal: Only one version of gnutls in etch

Upload of version of the cron package (comments?)

2006-08-09 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
Hi there release team, I have made a few (minor) improvements to cron that I would like to squeeze into before base is frozen. Attached is the .changes file of the package I have ready to upload. Unlike the gettext one (Santiago's) I don't intend to do an update to the latest upstream, but it's

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Jeff Carr
On 08/02/06 22:17, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Start with drivers/char/drm/mga_ucode.h. This is distributable, because it's under a BSD license, but it's not free software, because there's no source code. There is no source code, because there never was any source code. What do you think

Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with

2006-08-09 Thread Nathanael Nerode
I apologize for responding to Marco's post; in retrospect he was clearly trolling and I should not have responded to him. The point of my initial message was not to argue: it was that the etch timeline is unrealistic, because I see no progress on removing the substantial number of sourceless

Re: Please reschedule libgnomesu 0.9.5-3 on ARM

2006-08-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:05:22PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Hello, libgnomesu 0.9.5-3 initialy FTBFS to temporary uninstallable build-depends and when vorlon re-scheduled on july 31st it suffered the same fate as the directfb transition temporarily wreaked havoc. Please rerescedule it.

Re: BinNMU to get rid of libtasn1-2 dependencies

2006-08-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 07:46:35PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: On 2006-07-31 Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 10:36:24AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: On 2006-07-20 Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 11:02:49AM +0200, Andreas