Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2010-01-03 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On ons, 2009-12-30 at 20:02 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: Dimitri Fontaine [2009-12-30 10:52 +0100]: That's why I proposed having a single binary package for any extension, embedding support for more than one major version of PostgreSQL. That would match how the code is maintained. That

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2010-01-03 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On sön, 2010-01-03 at 18:10 +0100, Markus Wanner wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: I guess the Python-packaging-like solution to that would be to always support two PostgreSQL releases per stable Debian release. I suspect that means one of them overlapping with oldstable, right? yes Just

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2010-01-02 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 09:06:38PM +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Martin Pitt mp...@debian.org writes: Dimitri Fontaine [2009-12-30 10:52 +0100]: That's why I proposed having a single binary package for any extension, embedding support for more than one major version of PostgreSQL. That

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2010-01-02 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: I'll adopt whatever the consensus is once agreed upon in my postgresql-debversion package. I can also put in conditionals Good news, welcome aboard! to make it build with older versions again, but I'd like a pointer to an example to see what's needed

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2010-01-02 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 09:18:35PM +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: to make it build with older versions again, but I'd like a pointer to an example to see what's needed to conditionally build 8.4. That depends a lot on what features of 8.4 you're

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:52:27AM +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: That's why I proposed having a single binary package for any extension, embedding support for more than one major version of PostgreSQL. That would match how the code is maintained. But is this true universally? Take my

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:52:27AM +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: That's why I proposed having a single binary package for any extension, embedding support for more than one major version of PostgreSQL. That would match how the code is maintained. But

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com [2009-12-30 14:17:58 CET]: Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:52:27AM +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Take my postgresql-debversion extension, for example. In lenny-backports and squeeze, I supported building against

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes: If Python version changes, a binNMU is triggered on affected packages, which is damn faster and more efficient than mass filling bug reports. Without a line change to the modules sources. I do not see why this is not doable for PostgreSQL. In this case

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Markus Wanner
Hi, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: I see your point and don't object to it in principle. It's just that manpower is lacking, including being able to do upstream work on the packages when upstream cease their support on it. Please note, that with Dimitri and me, there are already two people offering

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Stephen Frost
* Martin Pitt (mp...@debian.org) wrote: Dimitri Fontaine [2009-12-30 14:17 +0100]: The problem for the maintainer is having to edit a package, hence do some testing and QA again, when there's absolutely NO value in doing so, neither for the maintainer, the extension or its users. That's

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Martin Pitt
Dimitri Fontaine [2009-12-30 14:17 +0100]: The problem for the maintainer is having to edit a package, hence do some testing and QA again, when there's absolutely NO value in doing so, neither for the maintainer, the extension or its users. That's only true if the change is to drop a supported

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Martin Pitt
Dimitri Fontaine [2009-12-30 10:52 +0100]: That's why I proposed having a single binary package for any extension, embedding support for more than one major version of PostgreSQL. That would match how the code is maintained. That would be a major regression wrt. upgrades, though, since an

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-30 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Martin Pitt mp...@debian.org writes: Dimitri Fontaine [2009-12-30 10:52 +0100]: That's why I proposed having a single binary package for any extension, embedding support for more than one major version of PostgreSQL. That would match how the code is maintained. That would be a major

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes: This would not work without rebuilding everything in testing which would create a chicken and egg problem: we want to have everything tested and build in unstable before migrating it to testing... Ok. So what you want is automated-without-rebuild packages

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Stephen Frost
* Gerfried Fuchs (rho...@deb.at) wrote: * Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com [2009-12-28 12:14:25 CET]: PS: I surely do not intend to fix my packages by desuporting 8.3, even if that means they don't get into squeeze when it's labelled stable. Having them hosted outside of debian will

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Stephen Frost
* Dimitri Fontaine (dfonta...@hi-media.com) wrote: So ideally the extensions packaging should not have to be edited at all and produce binaries for all supported PostgreSQL version. Supported by the debian release which is building the package and by the extension itself, of course. That's a

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes: Erm, the extensions need only to be available for the same set of postgres versions we release. Why do we *need* to have the extensions available for postgres versions we never released? If you don't mean that, why would you upgrade the extensions then

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net writes: Nah, that's fine, someone else can and will maintain it properly if he's not willing to. Of course, I'm curious as to just what extension this is, since I might be that 'someone else'. Well, I'll still be using them as debian packages, so hopefully you

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com [2009-12-28 16:22:40 CET]: Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net writes: I seriously doubt Debian would be able to properly maintain PG packages after they've been EOL'd upstream. So do I. I guess some other software ends up in debian stable and

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net writes: * Dimitri Fontaine (dfonta...@hi-media.com) wrote: So ideally the extensions packaging should not have to be edited at all and produce binaries for all supported PostgreSQL version. Supported by the debian release which is building the package and by

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-28 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes: that postgresql actually _is_ pretty unique here indeed. Well, can you say that the kernel package currently in stable, apparently 2.6.26, is still maintained by its upstream? I guess there's a debian team able to maintain it independantly? And it seems to

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-07 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Hi, Martin Pitt mp...@debian.org writes: We currently have PostgreSQL 8.3 and 8.4 in sid/testing. Just as in Lenny we only want to support the latest major release in squeeze, and let the postgresql-common architecture handle upgrades. With the freeze being three months out, we should now

Re: [Pkg-postgresql-public] Dropping postgresql 8.3 for squeeze

2009-12-07 Thread Luk Claes
Dimitri Fontaine wrote: Hi, Martin Pitt mp...@debian.org writes: We currently have PostgreSQL 8.3 and 8.4 in sid/testing. Just as in Lenny we only want to support the latest major release in squeeze, and let the postgresql-common architecture handle upgrades. With the freeze being three