Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 02:10:37PM +0200, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > While fairly simple, it is totally incorrect, as public distribution in > > breach of copyright carries criminal liability in England, as I previously > > posted. See the Copyright Designs and Patents Act as ame

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-20 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
MJ Ray wrote: > While fairly simple, it is totally incorrect, as public distribution in > breach of copyright carries criminal liability in England, as I previously > posted. See the Copyright Designs and Patents Act as amended, under > the criminal liability heading. http://www.jenkins-ip.com/pat

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-20 Thread MJ Ray
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] If it is a > license from the copyright holders, than the only ones who can sue > Debian for distribution of sourceless GPL'ed works are, er, the people > who originally gave out those works in that form. I understand there is > some contention aroun

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-19 Thread Jeff Carr
On 10/17/06 15:06, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that > you're not a lawyer. I agree. Out of curiosity, I

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-18 Thread Michael Poole
Francesco Poli writes: > What makes you think that every and each copyright holder acted in good > faith when started to distribute firmware under the terms of the GNU GPL > v2, while keeping the source code secret? > Some copyright holder could be deliberately preparing a trap, in order > to be a

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-18 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:06:19 +0100 Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Don Armstrong said: [...] > > baring competent legal advice to the contrary,[1] distributing > > sourceless GPLed works is not clear of legal liability. Doing > > otherwise may put ourselves and our mirror operat

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-18 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Don Armstrong said: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to menti

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-18 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that > you're not a lawyer. That should not keep him from being concerned when t

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that > you're not a lawyer. Yes, I'm not a lawyer. Do not rely on anything

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:35:26PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to ne

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention > that you're not a lawyer. That should be abundantly a

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that you're not a lawyer. Cheers, aj signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > This is a matter of copyright law. If we do not have permission to > distribute, it is illegal to distribute. GPL grants permission to > distribute *only* if we dist

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. This is a matter of copyright law. If we do not have permission to distribute, it is illegal to distribute. GPL grants permission to distribute *only* if we distribute source. So, GPLed sourceless == NO PERMISSON. I will list the usua

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Frank Küster
Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers >> don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly >> believe that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights >> under t

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:31:27PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > So the real question is whether we want to do that, whether in the > particular cases there's in fact any doubt, etc. A quick survey based on the size of the firmware blobs suggests 1/3 of them may be register dumps, while 2/3 are mos

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:31:27PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers > >> don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly > >> beli

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Walter Landry
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers > don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly > believe that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights > under the GPL are lost if you cannot abide by all point