Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-21 Thread Laurent Bigonville
On 19/06/19 22:19, Simon McVittie wrote: [...] I would very much appreciate input from the rest of the team, particularly: - Laurent: I know you've had strong opinions about using Wayland for GNOME. Do you feel strongly that Debian should be defaulting to Wayland? Are there any reasons for

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Preserving the rather large CC list for now… On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 06:05:22AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: I feel very uncomfortable with a change as big as this revert happening this late in the release cycle. How big is big? The MR I raised resurrects a patch that changes one line of code, an

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 20.06.19 um 11:25 schrieb Jonathan Carter: > I just have a small proposal: > > Selecting "Gnome on Xorg" is really easy from GDM for anyone who has > trouble on Wayland. It might be worth while adding that to the release > notes so that users who are not quite ready for Wayland yet know that >

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm writing with my DPL hat on in the role of a facilitator/mediator. I have no actual power in this situation and it is entirely reasonable to ignore me. I feel very uncomfortable with a change as big as this revert happening this late in the release cycle. I think that my reading of how the rel

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi everyone Am 20.06.19 um 11:12 schrieb Iain Lane: >> I've left some comments on >> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gdm/merge_requests/8 regarding the >> technical side of the proposed change. > Someone could probably look in Ubuntu's gdm3 package to see what we're > doing. We provide "GNOME"

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-20 Thread Iain Lane
Hi Simon, others, Thanks to those involved so far in shepherding this side of the issue along. And also for poking me (repeatedly!) to reply. On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 09:19:49PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 at 17:33:55 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > So far as I am aware t

Re: Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-19 Thread Lazar Tadić
If you would like some feedback from an user, I think that Wayland should be the default now. Yes, GNOME still does crash, yes there is no viable screen-sharing, etc. But, the user still has a choice on the login screen, and this is already well documented on Buster's release notes page. Wayland

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Hey there, Le 19/06/2019 à 22:19, Simon McVittie a écrit : - Ubuntu GNOME team: which recent Ubuntu versions, if any, are using Wayland for their GNOME-based desktop? We don't have any supported Ubuntu version using Wayland by default, our motivations for sticking to Xorg were mostly deskt

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-19 Thread Simon McVittie
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 at 17:33:55 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > So far as I am aware there is still radio silence from active GNOME > packaging team members regarding this issue. No comment yet on the > patch I adapted, positive or negative; this bug (#927667) remains > at an RC severity. (Adding

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-19 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Jonathan Dowland writes: > So far as I am aware there is still radio silence from active GNOME > packaging team members regarding this issue. No comment yet on the > patch I adapted, positive or negative; this bug (#927667) remains > at an RC severity. > > I've not yet read all the thread that Samu

Re: Bug#927667: gnome: please confirm or revert choice of Wayland for default desktop

2019-06-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Andrew So far as I am aware there is still radio silence from active GNOME packaging team members regarding this issue. No comment yet on the patch I adapted, positive or negative; this bug (#927667) remains at an RC severity. I've not yet read all the thread that Samuel linked to[1] but it l