On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:24 PM Lou Poppler wrote:
> I would like to help.
...
> Please suggest any debian lists or IRC channels or webpages I should look at,
> or other steps to make myself useful. Thanks.
The general page for how to help Debian is here:
https://www.debian.org/intro/help
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On Wed, 2020-12-30 at 14:27 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 07:55:11PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > Dear release team
> >
> > There seems to be only one maintainer.
> >
>
> Still true as far as I can see - others have stepped up to test i386
> executables but no
On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 07:55:11PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Dear release team
>
> There seems to be only one maintainer.
>
Still true as far as I can see - others have stepped up to test i386
executables but no more developers.
> Is i386 going to be supportable for the next 3 1/2 year
On 15.12.20 01:55, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Increasingly most of the people who work on Debian don't have i386
> hardware lying around, particularly i386 hardware that requires an i386
> kernel or that exercises the full range of older boot processes. If you
> do, testing and reporting good bugs woul
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:36 PM Adrian Bunk wrote:
> A bigger worry for i386 would be the availability of microcode updates
This is also a big problem for amd64, since only the newest
generations of Intel processors get BIOS/UEFI and or microcode
updates, so lots of amd64 users (including myself
Calum McConnell writes:
> A very fair point, and quite equitably put. If I was remotely
> comfortable tweaking kernels, or used a 32 bit machine regularly, I
> would be more comfortable volunteering. As it is, I have only really
> learned to maintain packages in the past few months, and I feel
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 02:54:37PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> The quantity of hardware is useful data, but I think this is also a place
> where it's important to stress the specific problem that Debian has,
> namely that we need people to do the work.
>...
The list of Debian release architect
On Mon, 2020-12-14 at 14:54 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Calum McConnell writes:
> > The point I'm making is that i386 processors are still incredibly
> > common, and we shouldn't abandon their users.
>
> Not abandoning users is a powerful motivating force, but it still has to
> succeed in motiva
Hi,
Quoting Russ Allbery (2020-12-14 23:54:37)
> > The point I'm making is that i386 processors are still incredibly common,
> > and we shouldn't abandon their users.
>
> Not abandoning users is a powerful motivating force, but it still has to
> succeed in motivating people. Debian can't make a
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 01:22:11PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 01:53 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> [...]
> > While the ongoing
> > costs of maintaining a full port were a consideration, of equal concern was
> > the fact that we believed we would not be able to provide secur
Calum McConnell writes:
> As I showed in my (slightly over dramatic, very over-long) email this
> morning, there are more people with i386 kernels than there are total
> users of every other release architecture. Even if you only look at
> non-pae kernels, its still about double the total instal
On Mon, 2020-12-14 at 10:02 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> One possible intermediate option shy of dropping the i386 architecture
> would be to drop the i386 kernel and instead help all i386 installs
> switch
> to the amd64 kernel while still running i386 binaries. (That said, this
> will obviously
Ben Hutchings writes:
> I agree that kernel security support for i386 is seriously lacking.
> The Spectre mitigations were actually available for both x86
> architectures at the same time, but the initial Meltdown mitigation was
> amd64-specific and was not extended to i386 until Linux 4.19. Th
On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 01:53 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
> While the ongoing
> costs of maintaining a full port were a consideration, of equal concern was
> the fact that we believed we would not be able to provide security support
> for the architecture as a whole at par with other architect
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 06:09:02PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > Ubuntu have chosen to support the first use-case, and only the first
> > use-case. They longer ship a complete, bootable i386 operating system;
> > instead, they have an i386 second-class-citizen architecture that
> > is sufficient to
Hi all,
As someone who runs amd64/i386 multiarch, this statement from Adrian:
> i386 hardware is so numerous and widely spread, that every tiny fraction
> of i386 users might be more users than half of our release architectures
> combined. It is not even clear whether this is just an exaggeration
Then there was the short netbook boom, but AFAIR some early ones
had 64bit CPUs but 32bit-only firmware.
My memory is that at the height of the boom the dominant processors
were the N270 and N280, which are 32-bit only. By the time 64-bit
netbook processors showed up the boom was on the dec
On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 18:09:02 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 3. Computers that do support MMX and SSE2, but do not support 64bit.
Right, that's basically the second use-case I mentioned, but moving the
boundary for what we do and don't support to be more modern. We could
put the boundary anywhere w
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 05:46:26PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
>...
> I think it's necessary to consider what the purpose of the i386 port is,
> and set expectations and an appropriate baseline based on that.
>
> I see two possible use-cases for i386:
>
> 1. It's a compatibility layer for legacy
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Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Having participated in the current discussion about 32 bit releases and
> lifetimes in Linux Weekly News (lwn.net) - what's the status of i386 for the
> lifetime of Bullseye?
>
> There seems to be only one maintainer.
>
> Is i386 going
Dear release team
Having participated in the current discussion about 32 bit releases and
lifetimes in Linux Weekly News (lwn.net) - what's the status of i386 for the
lifetime of Bullseye?
There seems to be only one maintainer.
Is i386 going to be supportable for the next 3 1/2 years and builda
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