* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060110 21:16]:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 05:19:47PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
difference to this. It might however make an difference to
GPL-compatibility, unless the license is GPL-compatible anyways.
Nope, please read my posts on debian-legal about this
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine code
destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for.
This is incorrect. I know firmware[tm] blobs which only includes data.
You can't
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 12:56:44PM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine
code
destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for.
This is
* Bastian Blank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060111 12:57]:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine
code
destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is written for.
This is incorrect. I
Bastian Blank wrote:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of machine
code destined to run on the controller of the device the driver is
written for.
This is incorrect. I know firmware[tm] blobs which only
Andreas Barth wrote:
* Bastian Blank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060111 12:57]:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:13:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
how can you consider it as non-program. It is indeed composed of
machine code destined to run on the controller of the device the driver
is written for.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 12:14:10PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Sven Luther wrote:
2) there are now drivers which contains non-free firmware blobs, with
explicit licence, and these are thus distributable. A quick search for
fw_ revealed 159 such files in 2.6.15.
I would like to
Kyle McMartin wrote:
The question is: when you remove the firmware from the driver, and all
it is, is a file sitting in /lib/firmware/; and it's contents are just
non-executable hex,
Sorry, it is executable. For instance, the tg3 code is simply MIPS binary
which can be disassembled with
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:03:13PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
In 2004, there was a GR that decided to put everything in main under the
DFSG. We had some discussions, but in the end, the result was that all
the non-free firmware bits have to be removed from main before we can
release etch.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:52:07AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
b) we move the affected modules to non-free. Well those that have their
licencing solved, the others will simply no more be distributed, or
distributed form an unofficial source.
Probably overkill, and causes
3) an effort seems to be happening inside the upstream kernel to use the
request_firmware infrastructure which allows to load firmware code from
userland through an hotplug mechanism. There seem to be more and more
drivers going this way, since there aare more in current git than
* Kyle McMartin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060110 16:20]:
I would argue it's the former. I can see the argument when it's a part of
the source code, but not when it's a completely seperate entity.
Sorry, but there is no difference regarding DFSG: If the binary blob is
actually seperated from the
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 10:00:53AM -0500, Kyle McMartin wrote:
3) an effort seems to be happening inside the upstream kernel to use the
request_firmware infrastructure which allows to load firmware code from
userland through an hotplug mechanism. There seem to be more and more
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 05:19:47PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Kyle McMartin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060110 16:20]:
I would argue it's the former. I can see the argument when it's a part of
the source code, but not when it's a completely seperate entity.
Sorry, but there is no difference
Hi all,
I am cross posting to debian-release and debian-boot, since this will affect
them too.
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
Hi,
at least I lost track a bit, so this mail is basically a question to
bring me up to speed.
Ok, we had a long discussion on
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:03:13PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
I think everyone agrees that a) is not a possibility. Both b) and c) require a
non-negligible amount of work, altough b) is less work than c), but c) is the
better solution, and also to the best of my knowledge the one which upstream
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