g. root is there for serving purposes. with
> LIDS, you're sealing the kernel to not accept potentially malicious
> input from root.
or the legit maintainer, no remote admin capabilities.. doesn't sound
new sounds like NT.
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g. root is there for serving purposes. with
> LIDS, you're sealing the kernel to not accept potentially malicious
> input from root.
or the legit maintainer, no remote admin capabilities.. doesn't sound
new sounds like NT.
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On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:36:30PM +0100, Mathias Gygax wrote:
> On Fre, Nov 16, 2001 at 04:13:16AM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > > > Root is God. Anything you do on the system is potentially visible to
> > > > root.
>
> this is, with the right patches appl
e?
root usually has physical access to the hardware anyway.
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On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:36:30PM +0100, Mathias Gygax wrote:
> On Fre, Nov 16, 2001 at 04:13:16AM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > > > Root is God. Anything you do on the system is potentially visible to
> > > > root.
>
> this is, with the right patche
e?
root usually has physical access to the hardware anyway.
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On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:42:10PM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
>
> People with such old hardware are probably better of with bo or hamm
> or potato. They probably need the low-mem target too.
which are not (or will not in potato's case) be supported with
security updates.
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On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:42:10PM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
>
> People with such old hardware are probably better of with bo or hamm
> or potato. They probably need the low-mem target too.
which are not (or will not in potato's case) be supported with
security updates.
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:09:46PM +0100, Jørgen Hermanrud Fjeld wrote:
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>
> On Tuesday 13 November 2001 09:52, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > 2.4 is also especially problematic on i386 since you have to fit it on
> > all these arc
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> On Tuesday 13 November 2001 09:52, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > 2.4 is also especially problematic on i386 since you have to fit it on
> > all these
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:02:46AM +0100, Stefan Schwandter wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 04:54:04PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > > Which makes me wonder, why ship Woody with 2.2.20 at all? Oh well, not
> > > my decision.
>
> > because 2.4 is not stable
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:02:46AM +0100, Stefan Schwandter wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 04:54:04PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > > Which makes me wonder, why ship Woody with 2.2.20 at all? Oh well, not
> > > my decision.
>
> > because 2.4 is not stable
exist.
yes releases before woody uses a base tarball. thats not done
anymore, base tarballs are obsolete.
> Which makes me wonder, why ship Woody with 2.2.20 at all? Oh well, not
> my decision.
because 2.4 is not stable yet.
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on conflicts and missing modules.
woody will, and is of course installed with 2.4 capable modutils
as for transitions of pcmcia related stuff you have to take that up
with the maintainers of the relevant packages.
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ies?
what tarfile?
woody will ship with 2.2.20, but it will fully support 2.4 kernels, i
don't know whats so difficult about installing one.
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(that and potato only has 6(?) architectures woody will have
something like 12 or more).
expect to have two months to upgrade your potato boxes before being on
your own in regards to security updates.
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exist.
yes releases before woody uses a base tarball. thats not done
anymore, base tarballs are obsolete.
> Which makes me wonder, why ship Woody with 2.2.20 at all? Oh well, not
> my decision.
because 2.4 is not stable yet.
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on conflicts and missing modules.
woody will, and is of course installed with 2.4 capable modutils
as for transitions of pcmcia related stuff you have to take that up
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l realities?
what tarfile?
woody will ship with 2.2.20, but it will fully support 2.4 kernels, i
don't know whats so difficult about installing one.
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(that and potato only has 6(?) architectures woody will have
something like 12 or more).
expect to have two months to upgrade your potato boxes before being on
your own in regards to security updates.
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to whatever version is in stable, they
don't just slop new upstream versions into stable to take care of
security bugs.
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rsion is in stable, they
don't just slop new upstream versions into stable to take care of
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ss.
as soon as everyone uses noexec all script kiddie scripts will run
everything with ld to bypass it.
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s worthless.
as soon as everyone uses noexec all script kiddie scripts will run
everything with ld to bypass it.
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On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:08:17AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Ethan Benson wrote:
> > sorry i don't leave known security holes wide open on my boxes. only
> > an idiot does that.
>
> If you think your box does not have currently unknown holes you are
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:08:17AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Ethan Benson wrote:
> > sorry i don't leave known security holes wide open on my boxes. only
> > an idiot does that.
>
> If you think your box does not have currently unknown holes you are
if you think thats the only kind of attacker your naive.
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if you think thats the only kind of attacker your naive.
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On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:43:56PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Ethan Benson wrote:
> > its not, it provides you NO extra security whatsoever, and will break
> > many many things.
>
> It breaks a fair number of scripts that script-kiddies use, and as
> su
ally the same thing as running /bin/sh /tmp/evilshellscript
instead of just /tmp/evilshellscript
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On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:43:56PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Ethan Benson wrote:
> > its not, it provides you NO extra security whatsoever, and will break
> > many many things.
>
> It breaks a fair number of scripts that script-kiddies use, and as
> su
ally the same thing as running /bin/sh /tmp/evilshellscript
instead of just /tmp/evilshellscript
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neither is the `real' file; they
both are.
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neither is the `real' file; they
both are.
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n you get all the
suids in those directories in the chroot, you also need /etc for the
global config files many programs use.
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sr/bin you get all the
suids in those directories in the chroot, you also need /etc for the
global config files many programs use.
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On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:18:52AM +, Martin WHEELER wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > kernels are never upgraded automatically by apt, you have to do it
> > yourself:
>
> That's not quite true -- should you recompile your own kernel, and fo
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:18:52AM +, Martin WHEELER wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > kernels are never upgraded automatically by apt, you have to do it
> > yourself:
>
> That's not quite true -- should you recompile your own kernel, a
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this)
of course that particular example would be noticed since the existing
accounts would be gone.. but you get the idea.
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this)
of course that particular example would be noticed since the existing
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On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:41:17PM -0500, Mike Renfro wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 03:26:18PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 06:06:34PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Has debian released a new ssh dpkg yet?
> >
> > no
>
>
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:41:17PM -0500, Mike Renfro wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 03:26:18PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 06:06:34PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Has debian released a new ssh dpkg yet?
> >
> > no
>
>
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 06:06:34PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Has debian released a new ssh dpkg yet?
no
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 06:06:34PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Has debian released a new ssh dpkg yet?
no
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ing which is worse).
the syslog man page describes how to deal with lusers behaving in this
manner, it involves sucker rod.
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ing which is worse).
the syslog man page describes how to deal with lusers behaving in this
manner, it involves sucker rod.
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passwd
>
> root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
> mail::8:8:mail:/var/spool/mail:/bin/bash
> pippo::100:100::/home/pippo:/bin/bash
ls requires /lib/libnss_files.so.2 in order to map uid/gids to
symbolic names.
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>
> root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
> mail::8:8:mail:/var/spool/mail:/bin/bash
> pippo::100:100::/home/pippo:/bin/bash
ls requires /lib/libnss_files.so.2 in order to map uid/gids to
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ed in i386
security.debian.org (perhaps others, powerpc has an uninstallable
update).
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security.debian.org (perhaps others, powerpc has an uninstallable
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On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:14:43AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote:
> As root:
> # apt-get build-dep openssh
that doesn't work on pototo's apt. you have to do it the old way:
cd openssh-*
grep ^Build debian/control
look at list and apt-get install each package.
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an/control
and install all listed build-depends packages.
> This leaves you with custom ssh packages: this is the only way until
> the new version is backported.
which will never happen, except possibly by someone doing it unofficially.
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On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:14:43AM -0400, Hubert Chan wrote:
> As root:
> # apt-get build-dep openssh
that doesn't work on pototo's apt. you have to do it the old way:
cd openssh-*
grep ^Build debian/control
look at list and apt-get install each package.
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and install all listed build-depends packages.
> This leaves you with custom ssh packages: this is the only way until
> the new version is backported.
which will never happen, except possibly by someone doing it unofficially.
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ce some packages
use dpkg features not present in potato, or use new features in
debhelper not present in potato. anyone with basic shell scripting
and a bit of Makefile experience should be able to handle that with
not much difficulty.
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ce some packages
use dpkg features not present in potato, or use new features in
debhelper not present in potato. anyone with basic shell scripting
and a bit of Makefile experience should be able to handle that with
not much difficulty.
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denies access flat out. your only
option is either upgrading to woody or backporting the woody ssh
package to potato (probably not very hard at all).
i recommend backporting the sid ssh packages to potato. if someone
hasn't already done that...
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denies access flat out. your only
option is either upgrading to woody or backporting the woody ssh
package to potato (probably not very hard at all).
i recommend backporting the sid ssh packages to potato. if someone
hasn't already done that...
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I missing something?
>
> Micah
>
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>
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 08:09:23PM -0700, Scott Sawyer wrote:
> Hey dude,
>
> the advice was fairly clear and didn't seem to be derogatory that I read.
> Just remember we all started out as clueless.
not THAT clueless!
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 08:09:23PM -0700, Scott Sawyer wrote:
> Hey dude,
>
> the advice was fairly clear and didn't seem to be derogatory that I read.
> Just remember we all started out as clueless.
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don't buy it for one minute that he just magically got subscribed by
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it would be a good idea to make /home unreadable
by all its users for `security' reasons, of course this makes
everyones shell puke when it cannot properly ascertain the pwd so they
seem to have changed thier minds on this. (that and cat /etc/passwd
will reveal everything ls
roublesome user, he can then supply
log snippets relevant to the alleged transgressions, complete with
ident responses from your machines, if you configured your identd not
to lie, and not to allow your users to make it lie you will most
likely have an accurate pointer to the troublemaker so you c
t the
actual username is really isn't useful nor important.
security through obscurity is all your really gaining.
i am more concerned that the services i run are properly configured
and have all security updates applied then whether someone knows what
userid they are running as.
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ught it would be a good idea to make /home unreadable
by all its users for `security' reasons, of course this makes
everyones shell puke when it cannot properly ascertain the pwd so they
seem to have changed thier minds on this. (that and cat /etc/passwd
will reveal everything ls -l /hom
roublesome user, he can then supply
log snippets relevant to the alleged transgressions, complete with
ident responses from your machines, if you configured your identd not
to lie, and not to allow your users to make it lie you will most
likely have an accurate pointer to the troublemaker so you c
t the
actual username is really isn't useful nor important.
security through obscurity is all your really gaining.
i am more concerned that the services i run are properly configured
and have all security updates applied then whether someone knows what
userid they are running as.
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ey wrench in this whole `sniffing encrypted sessions' nonsense.
Solar Designer's analysis talked about this iirc.
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a monkey wrench in this whole `sniffing encrypted sessions' nonsense.
Solar Designer's analysis talked about this iirc.
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unstable is 2.9p2, testing (woody) has 2.5.2p2, these
are unreleased versions of debian though.
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unstable is 2.9p2, testing (woody) has 2.5.2p2, these
are unreleased versions of debian though.
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gt; mutt. Anyone know why?
not configuring $EDITOR correctly. mutt doesn't have an editor, it
uses vi, emacs or whatever you set $EDITOR to.
for emacs add this to your ~/.emacs:
(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("/tmp/mutt*" . auto-fill-mode)
ike
> mutt. Anyone know why?
not configuring $EDITOR correctly. mutt doesn't have an editor, it
uses vi, emacs or whatever you set $EDITOR to.
for emacs add this to your ~/.emacs:
(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("/tmp/mutt*" . auto-fill-mode)
er is the correct
solution, i tend to agree to that, but i don't agree that the kernel
should start processes with a broken umask to begin with.
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the latter is the correct
solution, i tend to agree to that, but i don't agree that the kernel
should start processes with a broken umask to begin with.
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including this in your find will clutter the output to the point of
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6 so
including this in your find will clutter the output to the point of
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On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 07:11:04PM +1000, CaT wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:08:36AM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > I mentioned that OpenBSD has a policy of not starting services by
> > default. Ethan Benson went off on how OpenBSD is "rubbish". As
no i said the
ignorance and incompetence onto
debian because you installed a zillion services and didn't know what
they did thus opening lots of `security holes'.
yeah whatever.
what part of `don't install the service if you don't need it/don't
know how to configure it' don&
response i expect from a
marketing person.
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On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 07:11:04PM +1000, CaT wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:08:36AM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> > I mentioned that OpenBSD has a policy of not starting services by
> > default. Ethan Benson went off on how OpenBSD is "rubbish". As
no i said the
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 11:39:36PM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> I think it is quite fitting.
i think is a 21st century varient of Godwin's law developing.
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[No][Abort]
>
>
>
> Do you want something like that?
or:
WARNING: Coffee is served HOT! [0]
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[0] for those who don't remember there was a case some years ago where
a woman sued McDonalds after she spilled a cup of thie
alled an
OpenBSD box you would see that is not true.
as for debian services are only started if you install them, a very
logical assumption. criticising debian's choices in regards to what
services are priority: standard could be a valid argument.
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ignorance and incompetence onto
debian because you installed a zillion services and didn't know what
they did thus opening lots of `security holes'.
yeah whatever.
what part of `don't install the service if you don't need it/don't
know how to configure it' don&
response i expect from a
marketing person.
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On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 11:39:36PM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote:
> I think it is quite fitting.
i think is a 21st century varient of Godwin's law developing.
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[No][Abort]
>
>
>
> Do you want something like that?
or:
WARNING: Coffee is served HOT! [0]
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[0] for those who don't remember there was a case some years ago where
a woman sued McDonalds after she spilled a cup of thie
alled an
OpenBSD box you would see that is not true.
as for debian services are only started if you install them, a very
logical assumption. criticising debian's choices in regards to what
services are priority: standard could be a valid argument.
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h `but
they are not exploitable' which is rubbish of course.
go annoy someone else. i can change nothing in debian, i am not a
debian developer, go annoy one of them.
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unning the next time they reboot.
well people need to learn. you can't treat computers like toasters
anymore. deal with it.
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h `but
they are not exploitable' which is rubbish of course.
go annoy someone else. i can change nothing in debian, i am not a
debian developer, go annoy one of them.
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Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/
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gain after all of these years i think ill bring up another
timeless quote:
"fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"
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Ethan Benson
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