On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 11:03:01PM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
Yeah, I noticed that. Even between testing and unstable, some unstable
packages require libc6 = unstable's version so I get the unstable libc.
The biggest problem here is that to tell apt you only want the unstable
version of a
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 11:03:01PM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
Yeah, I noticed that. Even between testing and unstable, some unstable
packages require libc6 = unstable's version so I get the unstable libc.
The biggest problem here is that to tell apt you only want the unstable
version of a
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Tim Uckun wrote:
Everything you say is 100% absolutely true. But it also has a price. For me
the price can be summed up like this.
When there is a new version of postgres out I want to be able to type
apt-get update apt-get upgrade and have it installed. Right now I
That way, I get newer versions of postgres, zope, apache, whatever,
but don't have to completely upgrade to woody or sid. Those lazier,
more impatient, or less CPU-capable than I might want to look into
Stephane Bortzmeyer's list of unofficial apt sources to see if anyone
has already built
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation
in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on
my windows 2K system and it came back with 4,303 files.
Doesn't win2k do what you
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation
in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on
my windows 2K system
Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a
directory for that app?
Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program
files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Microsoft and
Microsoft installs and upgrades are notorious for breaking
Lupe Christoph [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the
implementation in both windows and linux got all weird. I just
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:31:49PM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a
directory for that app?
Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program
files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Microsoft
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:06:06PM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
I couldn't agree more. apt-get will install postgres 6.5 in potato.
Postgres has gone through two versions since (7.0 and 7.1).
It kind of defeats the purpose of apt if you have manually build everything
anyway. Especially
That way, I get newer versions of postgres, zope, apache, whatever,
but don't have to completely upgrade to woody or sid. Those lazier,
more impatient, or less CPU-capable than I might want to look into
Stephane Bortzmeyer's list of unofficial apt sources to see if anyone
has already built
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation
in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on
my windows 2K system and it came back with 4,303 files.
Doesn't win2k do what you
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation
in both windows and linux got all weird. I just did a search for *.dll on
my windows 2K system
Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a
directory for that app?
Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program
files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Microsoft and
Microsoft installs and upgrades are notorious for breaking
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:24:03PM +0200, Lupe Christoph wrote:
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the implementation
in both windows and linux got
Lupe Christoph [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the
implementation in both windows and linux got all weird. I just
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:31:49PM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Doesn't win2k do what you suggest, and have a the dlls for each app in a
directory for that app?
Not really. Some are others are in winsys others are in program
files/shared etc. Since W2K also absolutely trusts Microsoft
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Lupe Christoph [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Friday, 2001-04-20 at 14:14:13 -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:12:42AM -0600, Tim Uckun wrote:
Shared libraries may have been a good idea but somehow the
implementation in
The trouble is, unstable packages tend to rely on a new version of
things like libc6 and other important shared libraries that I don't
want to upgrade because it would destabilize the whole system.
What I'd like to see is some kind of snapshot status where it was
linked against the stable
Peter Cordes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 07:29:05PM -0700, Tim Uckun wrote:
Ideally the packages themselves should be labled stable, milestone,
snapshot (or something similar) and you ought to be able to subscribe to
packages themselves. This way if you trust the
The trouble is, unstable packages tend to rely on a new version of
things like libc6 and other important shared libraries that I don't
want to upgrade because it would destabilize the whole system.
What I'd like to see is some kind of snapshot status where it was
linked against the stable
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Speaking of problems with console-log, has anyone else had trouble with it
when syslog restarts (e.g. when logs are rotated)? I found that after a
syslog restart, no new messages would appear in the less concerned. Adding
the following line to
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:58:22AM -0600, Nate Duehr wrote:
I had problems early on with console-log keeping machines from properly
rebooting during remote reboots over ssh. Did that get cleared up?
I could never track down why so I didn't submit a bug report on it,
because I wasn't sure
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Speaking of problems with console-log, has anyone else had trouble with it
when syslog restarts (e.g. when logs are rotated)? I found that after a
syslog restart, no new messages would appear in the less concerned. Adding
the following line to
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:33:08PM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Janto Trappe wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:13:36AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
debugging. There's a package that pipe into less on a console, so you can
Do you know the name of this
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:33:08PM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Janto Trappe wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:13:36AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
debugging. There's a package that pipe into less on a console, so you can
Do you know the name of this
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:33:08PM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
It's not hard to find (once you to look for it:):
I looked for it. See below.
bigfoot:~# apt-cache search less console
aview - An high quality ascii-art image(pgm) browser
[...]
# apt-cache search less console
E: You must give
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 05:07:47PM +0200, Janto Trappe wrote:
# apt-cache show console-log
W: Unable to locate package console-log
I use potato, bigfoot is woody, right? ;)
Ah, sorry. bigfoot is running unstable, actually. Some of my other
machines run testing, but I've got the unstable
Ah, sorry. bigfoot is running unstable, actually. Some of my other
machines run testing, but I've got the unstable package repository in my
sources.list (and Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, so
unstable doesn't get used by default, but I can install packages from it.
see
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 07:29:05PM -0700, Tim Uckun wrote:
Ah, sorry. bigfoot is running unstable, actually. Some of my other
machines run testing, but I've got the unstable package repository in my
sources.list (and Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, so
unstable doesn't
But what about when bob wants to run unstable glibc(2.2.2) and jimmy
likes stable glibc(2.1.3)? There'd have to be stable/unstable/blah
packages for every major version of glibc which I suppose isnt that
many but it'd add up. I could be totally off base though.
--
Kevin - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Uckun) writes:
Ideally the packages themselves should be labled stable, milestone,
snapshot (or something similar) and you ought to be able to subscribe to
packages themselves.
A good idea, that doesn't work all that well in practice.
Packages rarely stand alone...
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 07:49:27PM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote:
Packages rarely stand alone... they depend on other packages, particularly
shared libraries. It is hard to pull packages from unstable without finding
yourself pulling in a number of shared library updates, at which point the
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 09:33:08PM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
It's not hard to find (once you to look for it:):
I looked for it. See below.
bigfoot:~# apt-cache search less console
aview - An high quality ascii-art image(pgm) browser
[...]
# apt-cache search less console
E: You must give
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 05:07:47PM +0200, Janto Trappe wrote:
# apt-cache show console-log
W: Unable to locate package console-log
I use potato, bigfoot is woody, right? ;)
Ah, sorry. bigfoot is running unstable, actually. Some of my other
machines run testing, but I've got the unstable
Ah, sorry. bigfoot is running unstable, actually. Some of my other
machines run testing, but I've got the unstable package repository in my
sources.list (and Default-Release testing; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, so
unstable doesn't get used by default, but I can install packages from it.
see
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 07:29:05PM -0700, Tim Uckun wrote:
Ah, sorry. bigfoot is running unstable, actually. Some of my other
machines run testing, but I've got the unstable package repository in my
sources.list (and Default-Release testing; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, so
unstable doesn't get
But what about when bob wants to run unstable glibc(2.2.2) and jimmy
likes stable glibc(2.1.3)? There'd have to be stable/unstable/blah
packages for every major version of glibc which I suppose isnt that
many but it'd add up. I could be totally off base though.
--
Kevin - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Uckun) writes:
Ideally the packages themselves should be labled stable, milestone,
snapshot (or something similar) and you ought to be able to subscribe to
packages themselves.
A good idea, that doesn't work all that well in practice.
Packages rarely stand alone...
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 07:49:27PM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote:
Packages rarely stand alone... they depend on other packages, particularly
shared libraries. It is hard to pull packages from unstable without finding
yourself pulling in a number of shared library updates, at which point the
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Janto Trappe wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:13:36AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
debugging. There's a package that pipe into less on a console, so you can
Do you know the name of this package? I think its very useful.
It's not hard to find (once
On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Janto Trappe wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:13:36AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
debugging. There's a package that pipe into less on a console, so you can
Do you know the name of this package? I think its very useful.
It's not hard to find (once
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Jamie Heilman wrote:
Dan Bernstein's multilog program is the only logger I've seen that offers
various reliability guarentees and actually delivers on them, but it has
some prerequisites for usage that can frequently be difficult to meet.
What I'd really like to see is
snip
Before I start this, however, I would really like to know if this is just
going to be something I'll do for myself, or if there's anybody else
interested in it? Maybe even design it for inclusion in Debian? I personally
think this should be done, since the default now sucks (to put it
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:13:36AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
debugging. There's a package that pipe into less on a console, so you can
Do you know the name of this package? I think its very useful.
Janto
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Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
Before I start this, however, I would really like to know if this is just
going to be something I'll do for myself, or if there's anybody else
interested in it? Maybe even design it for inclusion in Debian? I personally
think this should be done, since
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:10:38PM -0700, Jamie Heilman wrote:
Dan Bernstein's multilog program is the only logger I've seen that offers
various reliability guarentees and actually delivers on them, but it has
some prerequisites for usage that can frequently be difficult to meet.
What I'd
Jim Breton wrote:
Some such solutions are intermittently discussed, designed, etc. on the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Suggest you subscribe and hang out for a while.
:)
http://cr.yp.to/lists.html
Really? See now I've just been browsing archives and I didn't see anything
so I figured
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Jamie Heilman wrote:
Dan Bernstein's multilog program is the only logger I've seen that offers
various reliability guarentees and actually delivers on them, but it has
some prerequisites for usage that can frequently be difficult to meet.
What I'd really like to see is
snip
Before I start this, however, I would really like to know if this is just
going to be something I'll do for myself, or if there's anybody else
interested in it? Maybe even design it for inclusion in Debian? I personally
think this should be done, since the default now sucks (to put it
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:13:36AM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
debugging. There's a package that pipe into less on a console, so you can
Do you know the name of this package? I think its very useful.
Janto
--
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GnuPG-Key:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
My first grievance was, that my mail-logs quickly filled up with duplicate
information. Also, some of my other log-files seemed to contain a lot of
duplicate entries. So, I started reading the syslog.conf manpage, and
actually got a
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 13:21, Giacomo Mulas wrote:
I want a good signal to noise ratio and I want to know exactly where I
should look to find a specific kind of log entry.
So a README to the "new" syslog.conf :)
If you have grand plans, I have a suggestion for you: prepare a set of
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 15:03, Christian Hammers wrote:
For this reason (to stay on topic) logging should at least keep the current
behaviour to have one log where everything is logged to, as it's now with
/var/log/syslog. And maybe the /var/log/auth.log with stuff that most
people may
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:29:16PM +0200, Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
Why? I think it is really wasted when everything is logged to syslog, and
also logged to other, more specific files. If you want to search for
Maybe people what to archive syslog for a year and the others only for a
Neato. That's 3 people in total who think it's a good idea.. :/
It's probably the 3 people in total who bother to check the logs...
make that 4. I always have an xterm with a tail -f /var/log/syslog running
so I can see what is happening to the system. I have a firewall setup but
I don't
Here is another one who bother to check the logs :)
Cheers,
Cristian
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, JonesMB wrote:
Neato. That's 3 people in total who think it's a good idea.. :/
It's probably the 3 people in total who bother to check the logs...
make that 4. I always have an xterm with a tail
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:40:13PM -0500, JonesMB wrote:
make that 4. I always have an xterm with a tail -f /var/log/syslog running
so I can see what is happening to the system. I have a firewall setup but
I don't know if it is good enough so I usually monitor the syslog file for
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:10:38PM -0700, Jamie Heilman wrote:
Dan Bernstein's multilog program is the only logger I've seen that offers
various reliability guarentees and actually delivers on them, but it has
some prerequisites for usage that can frequently be difficult to meet.
What I'd
Jim Breton wrote:
Some such solutions are intermittently discussed, designed, etc. on the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Suggest you subscribe and hang out for a while.
:)
http://cr.yp.to/lists.html
Really? See now I've just been browsing archives and I didn't see anything
so I figured
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
Having said that, is there any system loggin daemons which allow custom
facilities?
yes, syslog-ng, for example. This was one of the main reasons I had
switched to it in the past (and probably will again, when I have some time
to work
Hi.
The last couple of days I've been toying around with my logs, getting them
straightened up and such, and one thing struck me : logging in Debian is far
from efficient, let alone ideal.
My first grievance was, that my mail-logs quickly filled up with duplicate
information. Also, some of my
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
My first grievance was, that my mail-logs quickly filled up with duplicate
information. Also, some of my other log-files seemed to contain a lot of
duplicate entries. So, I started reading the syslog.conf manpage, and
actually got a
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 13:21, Giacomo Mulas wrote:
I want a good signal to noise ratio and I want to know exactly where I
should look to find a specific kind of log entry.
So a README to the new syslog.conf :)
If you have grand plans, I have a suggestion for you: prepare a set of
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
Having said that, is there any system loggin daemons which allow custom
facilities?
yes, syslog-ng, for example. This was one of the main reasons I had
switched to it in the past (and probably will again, when I have some time
to work on
Hi
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:50:47PM +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote:
It's probably the 3 people in total who bother to check the logs...
at least 4, just for the records, you can't administrate production servers
without having logcheck or similar installed!
For this reason (to stay on topic)
uOn Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:50:47PM +0200, Giacomo Mulas wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
Having said that, is there any system loggin daemons which allow custom
facilities?
yes, syslog-ng, for example. This was one of the main reasons I had
switched to it
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 15:03, Christian Hammers wrote:
For this reason (to stay on topic) logging should at least keep the current
behaviour to have one log where everything is logged to, as it's now with
/var/log/syslog. And maybe the /var/log/auth.log with stuff that most
people may not
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:29:16PM +0200, Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt wrote:
Why? I think it is really wasted when everything is logged to syslog, and
also logged to other, more specific files. If you want to search for
Maybe people what to archive syslog for a year and the others only for a
Here is another one who bother to check the logs :)
Cheers,
Cristian
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, JonesMB wrote:
Neato. That's 3 people in total who think it's a good idea.. :/
It's probably the 3 people in total who bother to check the logs...
make that 4. I always have an xterm with a tail -f
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:40:13PM -0500, JonesMB wrote:
make that 4. I always have an xterm with a tail -f /var/log/syslog running
so I can see what is happening to the system. I have a firewall setup but
I don't know if it is good enough so I usually monitor the syslog file for
suspicious
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