On Wednesday 27 August 2003 07:27, Paul Johnson wrote:
I do have to ask this one: It's possible to write
non-braindamaged code in C++ without learning C first?
Yes. But I think it's more fun to learn OO using Python than it is using C++.
And now to over-analyse the term brain-damaged.
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:12, Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:12:15PM -0400, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:
# A: I was pretty much hounded into providing it. I do not like it.
#Don't use it. Use /etc/network/interfaces, use
Contents:
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B) My System / Hardware
C) Symptoms
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I try to run an Edimax cardbus fast ethernet card with David Hinds pcmcia
package.
It is not listed in
Bret, I will address your question, but first: before delving into
constructing your own iptables rules, I suggest you seriously look at
might want to look at what some of the firewall tools can do for you
unless you really understand what you're doing. I suggest you look at
Shorewall and
At 2003-08-27T11:27:15Z, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While I haven't learned much C yet (I can read it better than I write it),
I do have to ask this one: It's possible to write non-braindamaged code in
C++ without learning C first?
Absolutely. In fact, it's probably a good idea
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 8:35 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
Knoppix doesn't. Granted, the only transparent way of transitioning
is to sid, but still.
Still it's not totally transparent. Some problems exists.
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:02:34PM +0300, Alphonse Ogulla wrote:
My connection to the net is via a proxy server. It also appears port 6667 on
the same machine is blocked. Just wondering, is it possible to use ircii chat
client from behind a squid
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:24 +0200, Loren M Lang wrote:
2) C is just faster than C++
This is simply not true. If you know what you're doing, you can write
efficient C++ which is just as fast as C. C++ was designed in a way that
doesn't make you pay for features you don't use.
Even when I'm
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:50:11 +0200, Paul Johnson wrote:
While I haven't learned much C yet (I can read it better than I write
it), I do have to ask this one: It's possible to write non-braindamaged
code in C++ without learning C first?
Of course it is -- it's just more difficult :-)
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:03:26AM +0200, Fr?d?ric Aliotti wrote:
I have installed Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 rl Woody Official i386.
I'm trying to use an application called Cyberdocs on this computer : this
application have to open OpenOffice.org to convert word documents to XML.
This process is
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:42, bob parker wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:46, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 17:22, bob parker wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote:
I particularly like the way it deletes the most significant figure(s)
when you get an overflow in
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:20:16 +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
First convince me that object oriented programming results in maintainable
and debuggable code, then convince me that C++ is a good implementation of
OO, and then I might consider C++ instead of C. (I know not all the
features of C++
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 09:17, Dave Howorth wrote:
Unfortunately, nowadays s/C /Perl /.
Wouldn't it be easier to read if you wrote it s/C/Perl/ ?
So that it wouldn't change Choo-choo to Perlhoo-choo.
When I saw the question, I thought the obvious counter-example was so
that it doesn't
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:42:07PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
I've tried installing the AIM transport from agrogeomatic.educagri.fr
(from their listing on apt-get.org). Following aim-transport's
instructions, I added it into the jabber.xml the way it tells you to,
and I can see it when I
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:43:55PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
} On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
[...]
} First convince me that object oriented programming results in
} maintainable and debuggable code, then convince me that C++ is a good
} implementation of OO,
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 07:53:34PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:35, Britton wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
This just isn't true. Perl at least is brought to its knees by a
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:12:24AM +0200, Stefan Waidele jun. wrote:
Since there is no reaction to my private mail, I have to do this publicly.
Kevin Mark uses my domain 'waidele.info' in order to fake his from-adress.
I have asked him to stop it, but he still continues.
So once again,
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:27:50PM +0200, Elie De Brauwer wrote:
[...]
} I agree, but when it comes to documentation c is the absolute top. man
} strchr, man strlen, man strcmp, man sin, man cos it's all in the manuals
} but try do get a description from some of the functions from the C++ STL
}
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 15:55, Alphonse Ogulla wrote:
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 12:02, Alphonse Ogulla wrote:
My connection to the net is via a proxy server. It also appears port 6667
on the same machine is blocked. Just wondering, is it possible to use
ircii chat client from behind a
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 09:42, John Hasler wrote:
Ron Johnson writes:
But the point is that it can easily be done, and often is, to get that
extra feature, or reduce the SLOC by a dozen or so, or to speed it up a
little bit.
The only one of my packages that makes any system calls is chrony
Hi everyone,
I have Debian (woody) 3.0r1 running latest kernel-image 2.4.21,
and I can't seem to get my Adaptec 2400A RAID adapter to be seen.
When I'm trying to load dpt_i2o module all I get is
Using /lib/modules/2.4.21-4-686-smp/kernel/drivers/scsi/dpt_i2o.o
Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
C is easily the dominant language for most things Linux. So therein
lies the question. Why, exactly, is C so popular? Especially in
comparison to C++.
The free software culture started much before Linux. Much free
software was written to run on many
i would request an xterm and have mutt start up in that. it lets you
sleep mutt and get to other things on the box.
ssh -X host -l user xterm -e mutt
Matt Price wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:54:00PM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:26:37PM -0400, Matt Price
Nick,
When I tried insmod 8139too (the module for the network card), I get a
number of unresolved symbol errors.
What happens if you 'modprobe 8139too'?
That one made me think - the error indicated that it could not find the
hardware.
Did an lspci and noticed that the kernel had not detected
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Hi Darin,
I'm not on debian-user and I don't even use debian, but I ran into the
same problem and thought I'd pass on what I figured out (I ran across
your post while googling).
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Darin Strait wrote:
Running 2.4.21-2-686 and tracking unstable.
Every few months, I try
First post folks so I'm unsure if we top post or not round here but everyone
else seems to so I'll join in! :)
It took me weeks of searching and asking of questions to a knowledgable
friend before I even got close to understanding iptables. Although it's Red
Hat based, I wrote up most of what
Hello. I'm planning to buy over eBay a Gallant IV-550 (or IV-560, I'm not
sure) TV tuner card. I was wondering if anyone had tried using this card on
Debian and what was the result.
Also, I was wondering if there is any Linux program similar to More TV for
Windows.
Please CC replies to me
I have a driver that expects to be loaded into kernel
2.4.18.
I'm running kernel 2.4.18-i386, which should be
compatable.
The driver barfs and drops out because it sees this
kernel label (somewhere) and decides it isn't 2.4.18.
Other than generating an entirely new kernel, is there
a way to get
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's relatively easy to learn, plus everybody else in the unix world
uses C. It's portable. It helps to know your history: C was created
to write unix to begin with.
*cough, spit* I was able to grasp Turbo Pascal
Is anyone using Vexira Antivirus for mail with Exim? I'm trying to test
it for usability and hitting some odd problems I'm hoping someone may
have run into.
:wq!
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Title: RE: pppd and Debian...
I have a problem . My modem is detected by Linux, but when
I try to connect by wvdial, this message is shown on console:
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Hmm... a prompt. Sending ppp.
ppp
PPP: Not enabled
try wvdial as root. I don't think you have your permissions set
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:55:41 -0500
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On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote:
And very very slow too, like any other script language.
One thing I learned a *long* time ago is that even an 80286 is faster
than people typing, reading the screen,
Hi Bret,
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 11:06, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:12, Paul Johnson wrote:
[snip]
But please notice two things:
1) If I use one of those tools, it does something, sets up something.
What will it do? It's someone else's canned decisions about how to
Arnt,
Thanks again for trying, but I just ordered another disk. $1/GB just
makes messing around with trying to get the windows filesystem to
mount too much effort for the payoff. Now I can mirror the disks
across the machines and have a reliable backup, too.
Larry
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On Wednesday 27 August 2003 11:05, Gregory Seidman wrote:
The only reason you can't find documentation for C++ libraries is because
you haven't looked. Stop spreading misinformation and STFW. Explore the
URLs below.
http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/
That link is not that helpful in learning STL.
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| On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:07:36PM +0100, Tim Beauregard wrote:
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|Is this a bug?
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|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ freqtweak
|freqtweak: relocation error: freqtweak: symbol _ZTV10wxListBase, version
|WXGTK_2.4 not defined in file
both of the tools mentioned above are command line tools. if you use kde
you might prefer k3b (for burning) and kaudiocreater (for ripping).
Hi
Have you gotten K3B to work for regular users? I get the error
error
Unable to find cdrecord executable
K3b uses cdrecord to actually write cds.
At 2003-08-27T11:41:17Z, Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To me, it seems that the obvious solution is to run the script through a
Perl compiler, and produce a binary executable that should execute at the
same order of speed as any other compiled HLL code.
Perl is compiled into opcodes before
Hi all
Now that I've got printing in KDE to work I need to get Openoffice and
network(Samba) printing to work. Oo seems to need a commandline input and
this is what I'm starting with and also where my confusion begins.
A few questions,
Which package is lp part of?
Should I use lp or lpr? I seem
Hi,
This is the tail end of a CR dialogue we saw on debian
devel. First, there was a notice that mail from debian-devel was
quarantined, and there was a sekrit to send to unlock the
mails. Next, we got a notice that the sekrit was successfully
received. And not the poor soul is
The ActiveState Perl Developer's Kit for Windows can take a perl script
and turn it into an executable file.
But it doesn't really compile it.
It just packages the minimum files needed for your script to run an
compresses them.
The .exe file expands the files and runs the perl script as a script.
Don't know about winXP though - that might go different.
Maybe I will rock it win2k style all...
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El Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:21:36 -0500 Rthoreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
If someone can show a nice chart showing the speed increase compared
to stability of Gentoo vs Debian, I would be more than happy to put
Gentoo on a box.
gentoo itself doesn't search to get super-optimized binaries,
El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:11:08 -0500 Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
C comes in. Yet I see people writing 'modern' GUI applications and using
C when I would think C++ would be a much better choice. Is there
something that I'm missing? Something that C actually does better than
C++
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:44 +1000
Corey Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 01:27 AM, Victory wrote:
| 1, Is there way to clone this hard drive ?
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| If you are cloning it to an identical hard drive, you can use dd, eg:
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| dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb
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Do you
Hi!
On Wed Aug 27, 2003 at 12:02:23PM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote:
It doesn't matter how good or bad Java, C, or any other language might
be. What counts is who's backing it, what you can do with it, and how
fast you can do it (how good the development tools are, how much of of
that code
I am using the latest Debian woody and installed KDE. The Kppp dialer was not
part of the install so I apt-get installed kppp. When I went to use it the
following was the response:
KDE Init coult not launch 'Kppp': Could not find 'Kppp' executable
Can anyone help me with this?
During Debian's
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:19:18PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
} On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 09:53, Gregory Seidman wrote:
} On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:43:55PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
} } On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
} [...]
} } First convince me that object
Stefan Waidele jun. wrote:
Since there is no reaction to my private mail, I have to do this publicly.
And since I have stepped into the public, I have to do this publicly, too:
Sorry, Kevin.
I shot to soon and too hard.
Now comming to think about it... Why should anybody pick (of all
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can't say about Perl, but attempts at a Python compiler have only
been partially successful, because Python is so dynamic.
Common Lisp is also a very dynamic language, and can be compiled.
(Some implementations are completely compiled.)
AFAICT, it's just
Jianan Huang wrote:
[...]
Renaming all the files to ones without spaces would be too tedious.
I know this does not solve the problem, but if you ever need to rename a
lot of files, you might want to look up 'mmv' - Multiple Move.
Excelent program.
HTH sometimes,
Stefan
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On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 12:41, Larry wrote:
I have a driver that expects to be loaded into kernel
2.4.18.
I'm running kernel 2.4.18-i386, which should be
compatable.
The driver barfs and drops out because it sees this
kernel label (somewhere) and decides it isn't 2.4.18.
Other than
I'm still running into problems with my CUPS printer. It's on a client
server configuration and the command line lpr and open office both work fine.
But the Mozilla printer doesn't work. This is the DEBUG2 output, I get an
IPP error, but I have no idea what that actually means.
This is what
Hello,
I have the following entry:
LOGall -- anywhere anywhere limit: avg 3/hour burst 5
LOG level debug prefix `IPT INPUT packet died: '
and the following thing in syslog.conf
ahmed:/var/log# more /etc/syslog.conf | grep kern
kern.*
Steve Lamb wrote:
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Francois Bottin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 06:34, Paul Johnson wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to read if you wrote it s/C/Perl/ ?
So that it wouldn't change Choo-choo to Perlhoo-choo.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:27:15AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:54:58PM -0700, Loren M Lang wrote:
If people don't learn C before C++, it A) a little harder to learn
properly, and B) it's harder for them to learn other languages later like
C, Objective C, and
Hi all,
when I run synaptic there are no broken packages.
Running aptitude there are ??
What's wrong ?
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's relatively easy to learn, plus everybody else in the unix world
uses C. It's portable. It helps to know your history: C was created
to write unix to begin with.
Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's relatively easy to learn, plus everybody else in the unix world
uses C. It's portable. It helps to know your history: C was created
to write unix to begin with.
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