Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> I can't seem to find any references to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on any ubuntu.com, >> including lists.ubuntu.com or or ubuntuforums.org >> > > It is a fake e-mail address. Another reason for banning you. Seriously though, your problem is Dapper. If

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Bob
swm wrote: On Tuesday 20 March 2007 11:00, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will con

Re: Browser identification to websites

2007-03-20 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mihira Fernando wrote: > Ken Heard wrote: >> Not only was I able to to have full access to the site from Konqueror >> but not Iceweasel, but it also accepted my user id and password and >> gave me access to all the personal information thereon. Althou

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Paul Scott
H.S. wrote: > Michael Pobega wrote: > >> I gave up on that after an unsuccessful Dapper->Edgy upgrade, because >> I realise if I really want to keep my laptop working for college (I'll >> be using this next year to take notes during class), I'll need >> something stable that won't break every six m

Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread A. Ben Hmeda
Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 22:18 -0400, Marty wrote: [...snip...] If in the future I decide to use a spinoff distribution, it's valuable to know that I can still get support from Debian users. Of course, this would be done only after seeking support from uses of the spinoff distr

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 12:23:54AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > it appears to me that there are two paths into testing for security > > fixes: sid or testing security. Is it possible for a security fix to > > bypass sid and make it into testing? > > Yes, but multiple

Re: security in mutt [WAS: Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock ]

2007-03-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 12:22:48AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > According to your page, there are two vulnerabilities for mutt in Sarge: > > > > http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2006-5297 > > http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2006-5298 > > > >

Re: Sneakernet .deb packages by usb thumb?

2007-03-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:07:54PM -0700, charles norwood wrote: > On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 19:32 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > My desktop debian system is at home with no available internet > > connection. > > > > Work provides internet with no linux. > > > > is there any way to aquire .deb p

Re: broken upgrade of postfix_2.3.7-3 -> 2.3.8-2 (etch)

2007-03-20 Thread Mihira Fernando
Michael Shuler wrote: Mihira Fernando wrote: Do you have btree support installed for postfix ? As I recall, the smtp(d)_session_cache_database parameters are in the default main.cf file but btree support is _not_ installed by default. If you're not using these 2 parameters I suggest you comment

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Steve Lamb
Michael Pobega wrote: > Months of hanging out on the Ubuntu forums, both lurking as a guest > and being a registered member for a while: Yes, because the forums are a fair representation of the Ubuntu community at large. Steve, Debian user, KUbuntu user and not a Ubuntu forum user. :P

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Steve Lamb
Michael Pobega wrote: > Anything you can do on Ubuntu you can do on Debian, but the truth is > that Debian provides much more functionality, stability, and ease of > use than Ubuntu Er, wha? You just had several people tell you that things are easier on Ubuntu out of the box and you've the ga

Re: your email has been received, please register to send

2007-03-20 Thread reynaldo gamboa
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://ph.mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: broken upgrade of postfix_2.3.7-3 -> 2.3.8-2 (etch)

2007-03-20 Thread Michael Shuler
Mihira Fernando wrote: > Do you have btree support installed for postfix ? As I recall, the > smtp(d)_session_cache_database parameters are in the default main.cf > file but btree support is _not_ installed by default. > If you're not using these 2 parameters I suggest you comment them out > and re

Re: Uninstall (nearly) everything installed after spacific date

2007-03-20 Thread Bob
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:15:29AM +0800, Bob wrote: As for why I'm doing this, well I have a PC which is ultimately earmarked to be a headless MythTV BackEnd but I've been using it to experiment with packages to figure out which ones I like for my personal deskto

Re: Uninstall (nearly) everything installed after spacific date

2007-03-20 Thread Bob
Joe Hart wrote: Bob wrote: 8< snip That's sort of what I'm doing, I do a base install without even going into the task selector or configuring apt sources then I vi /etc/apt/sources.list and enter deb http://192.168.4.99:/debian/ etch main # deb-src http://192.168.4.99:/debian/ etch

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > it appears to me that there are two paths into testing for security > fixes: sid or testing security. Is it possible for a security fix to > bypass sid and make it into testing? Yes, but multiple instances of human error would have to be involved for it to happen, an

Re: security in mutt [WAS: Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock ]

2007-03-20 Thread Joey Hess
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > According to your page, there are two vulnerabilities for mutt in Sarge: > > http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2006-5297 > http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2006-5298 > > Now, I reported #311296 about two years ago, and shortly after you > ema

RE: Installation - deselect "standard" task ???

2007-03-20 Thread Erik Cummings
> -Original Message- > From: Joey Hess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:48 PM > To: Erik Cummings > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Installation - deselect "standard" task ??? > > Erik Cummings wrote: > > - "Hang" in this incident refers to a

Re: broken upgrade of postfix_2.3.7-3 -> 2.3.8-2 (etch)

2007-03-20 Thread Mihira Fernando
Michael Shuler wrote: Mihira Fernando wrote: Michael Shuler wrote: Mar 20 19:03:20 aesop postfix/master[2010]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 3983 exit status 127 Mar 20 19:03:20 aesop postfix/master[2010]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling I have

Re: Sneakernet .deb packages by usb thumb?

2007-03-20 Thread charles norwood
On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 19:32 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My desktop debian system is at home with no available internet > connection. > > Work provides internet with no linux. > > is there any way to aquire .deb packages from the repository and take > them home on a usb for install/upgrade?

Re: broken upgrade of postfix_2.3.7-3 -> 2.3.8-2 (etch)

2007-03-20 Thread Michael Shuler
Mihira Fernando wrote: > Michael Shuler wrote: >> Mar 20 19:03:20 aesop postfix/master[2010]: warning: process >> /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 3983 exit status 127 >> Mar 20 19:03:20 aesop postfix/master[2010]: warning: >> /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling I have also not bee

Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 22:18 -0400, Marty wrote: [...snip...] > > If in the future I decide to use a spinoff distribution, it's valuable to know > that I can still get support from Debian users. Of course, this would be > done only after seeking support from uses of the spinoff distro, as the OP i

Re: broken upgrade of postfix_2.3.7-3 -> 2.3.8-2 (etch)

2007-03-20 Thread Mihira Fernando
Michael Shuler wrote: Today's postfix update has broken my smtp configuration, and I would enjoy any help troubleshooting - I have downgraded to 2.3.7-3 for the moment. The changelog looks fairly trivial, but I have not been able to put my finger on the real problem - is this possibly an libssl/

broken upgrade of postfix_2.3.7-3 -> 2.3.8-2 (etch)

2007-03-20 Thread Michael Shuler
Today's postfix update has broken my smtp configuration, and I would enjoy any help troubleshooting - I have downgraded to 2.3.7-3 for the moment. The changelog looks fairly trivial, but I have not been able to put my finger on the real problem - is this possibly an libssl/openssl issue? I am usi

Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread Marty
Greg Folkert wrote: Even though Ian Murdock says so. He is saying it is Debian, because it is spawned by Debian... it is related, but has diverged significantly from Debian. It has especially change in the "init" sections of the OS, which is where YOUR problem exists. I don't think that's been

Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

2007-03-20 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 15:13 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:55:38 -0400 > Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 01:46 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:12:55 -0400 > > > Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > [snip] >

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:24:59PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > Security support for etch started around the freeze, IIRC. > > Testing has had security support for several years now. > http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ > > It doesn't work much like the security

input output error(5)

2007-03-20 Thread Chris Parker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hello all, I've got a dell power edge 2400 with an adaptec scsi card. Attached to the card are 2 16G disks on the 1st raid channel, while on the 2nd channel are 3 136G drives in a raid 5. Now when I try to copy alot of tiff images off a usb hard dri

Re: web browser choices

2007-03-20 Thread Thomas Dickey
Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:01:30AM -0400, Celejar wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:03:33 -0600 >> "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> > I'm sure you'll get better and more pertinent replies, even for the >> > opera vs fir

Re: Hostname (none) after dist-upgrade [solved]

2007-03-20 Thread Hans du Plooy
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 13:49 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: > Thy this. echo "rimwards" > /etc/hostname > rimwards.obscured.tld is the FQDN Spot on! Thanks! Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Using gdb on a debian system.

2007-03-20 Thread cga2000
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:13:20PM EST, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 19:03 -0500, cga2000 wrote: > > > See http://wiki.debian.org/?HowToGetABacktrace > > > > I tried that HowTo but was unable to get it to work. > > > > It's also unclear what these commands do. > > > > Does this

Re: Graphics cards

2007-03-20 Thread Guillermo Garron
On 3/19/07, Peter Hillier-Brook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Guillermo Garron wrote: > On 3/18/07, Peter Hillier-Brook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It looks like my graphics card is slowly dying and I would value input >> on optimal chipsets/manufacturers for a replacement in the context of >> Deb

Re: Hang up when "Starting PC card services."

2007-03-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:05:52PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does Etch work? > Yes Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature

security in mutt [WAS: Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock ]

2007-03-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:24:59PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > It doesn't work much like the security support for stable, because > testing is not managed like stable is. Feel free to look at the lists of > known unfixed vulnerabilities in stable and testing, and draw your own > conclusions about

Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 18:37 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 09:22 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote: > >> Greg Folkert wrote: > >>> On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote: > I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has

Re: OT: Politics and other non-Debian ramblings

2007-03-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:55:13PM +0100, mc3393 wrote: > Curt Howland ha scritto: > > > On Tuesday 20 March 2007 13:17, mc3393 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > > heard to say: > > > > >In retourn, now the people does not agree anymore, but the war must > > >go on ... > > > > > > Why? > > i would like t

Bug#413933: Info received ((no subject))

2007-03-20 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the package maintainer(s) and to other interested parties to accompany the original report. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): SZALAY Attila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread A. Ben Hmeda
Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Folkert wrote: [snip] Do you honestly think that everyone here is using Etch? or Sarge? All I see is many struggling to help you on a system that is not Debian. Agreed. This is the Debian User's mailing list. I don't real

loading huge number of rules in iptables (blocklist)

2007-03-20 Thread H.S.
Hello, I am playing round with the blocklist file obtained from peerguardian (level1.gz). I have written a bash function which I call in my iptables script to load these rules. The following function actually loads the rules from a gzipped file (e.g. /etc/firewall/level1.gz, defined by the

Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread A. Ben Hmeda
Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 09:22 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote: I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LTS) I hav

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread H.S.
Michael Pobega wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:43:56PM +0100, Nik wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And it's not just me. I've noticed that a lot of people get the same problem from Ubuntu upgrades. That isn't to say that nobody can upgrade th

Re: Very slow network - Ubuntu

2007-03-20 Thread A. Ben Hmeda
Joe Hart wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A. Ben Hmeda wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 15:31 -0400, A. Ben Hmeda wrote: I have searched ubuntu forums to no avail. My network connection has slowed down considerably since I installed Ubuntu Dapper (6.06.1 LT

Re: ether-wake won't work anymore.

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Buys
Andy Hawkins wrote: Hi, In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruno Buys<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I´ve relied on etherwake to up remote machines, and it worked ok for quite some time. But recently I noticed it kind of stopped working. Since today I bumped two more machines which don't

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:48:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > True enough. You can minimize the effort, though, (if you already > haven't) by only using "main". Done. Main is still HUGE. > > What *does* happen when you run *apt-get* on that box? Don't know. Don't want to mess up aptitude. On

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread didier gaumet
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:40:16 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [...] > Do you know how security updates happen for the BSDs? I'm trying to > track that down now. For historical BSDs: http://www.netbsd.org/Security/ http://www.freebsd.org/security/ http://www.openbsd.org/security.html -- To UN

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 15:01, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:14:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Use apt-get instead. It uses less resources. (I think.) > > It still has to parse the packages file. True enough. You can minimize

New Israeli Debian mirror: archive & CD images

2007-03-20 Thread maddog
Hello world, I want to present new Israeli Debian public mirror: archive & CD images (i386 & amd64) http://www.debian.co.il/ Use it! Enjoy! Dmitry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread swm
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 11:00, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running > Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the > future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs > 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will continue to

Re: Hang up when "Starting PC card services."

2007-03-20 Thread alphadeltapapa
Does Etch work? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Michael Pobega
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:43:56PM +0100, Nik wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And it's not just me. I've noticed that a lot of people get the same > > problem from Ubuntu upgrades. That isn't to say that nobody can > > upgrade their Ubuntu

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Michael Pobega
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 10:26:25AM -0400, H.S. wrote: > The most challenging thing in the whole installation was getting the > wireless working as she wanted. The card itself was detected without any > problems. Basically, it had to work at home, at her lab where she works > and also at another lab

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:42:20PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:04:44PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:17:10PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > The box has no user data on it (its all on the big box). Where do I put > > the mirror and how

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:04:44PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:17:10PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC,

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:16:03PM +, didier gaumet wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:00:22 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > I want a distribution with security support since if I didn't want that > > I could just stick with Woody. > > > > DamnSmallLinux needs to boot from a CD. > > the

Re: What do I use to reconfigure the network /after/ initial install on Etch?

2007-03-20 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > You will be offered the choice of keeping your version or replacing it with > the new version. Celejar writes: > Yes, but neither choice is entirely satisfactory; if I keep my version, I > don't get any improvements the devs / maints have made, and if I choose > the new one, I (may) hav

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Joey Hess
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Security support for etch started around the freeze, IIRC. Testing has had security support for several years now. http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ It doesn't work much like the security support for stable, because testing is not managed like stable is. Feel f

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 15:58 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:29:52PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 14:00 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now > > > that Etch RC2 is out I'

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread didier gaumet
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:00:22 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [...] > I want a distribution with security support since if I didn't want that > I could just stick with Woody. > > DamnSmallLinux needs to boot from a CD. there are bootfloppies for DSL > The 486 will only boot from > floppy or ha

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:30:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/20/07 14:18, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: > >>> Greg Folkert wrote: > Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You u

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:51:56PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Frank McCormick wrote: > > > > I guess I still don't completely understand the Debian system. Why > > would I not get security patches running testing...which I think is > > really Etch now ? > > Security support for etch st

Re: Using gdb on a debian system.

2007-03-20 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 19:03 -0500, cga2000 wrote: > > See http://wiki.debian.org/?HowToGetABacktrace > > I tried that HowTo but was unable to get it to work. > > It's also unclear what these commands do. > > Does this end up replacing the normal binaries with a debug version of > the programs?

Ligue Grátis com o seu MSN

2007-03-20 Thread Hélio Cerqueira
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Re: OT: Politics and other non-Debian ramblings

2007-03-20 Thread mc3393
Curt Howland ha scritto: > On Tuesday 20 March 2007 13:17, mc3393 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say: > > >In retourn, now the people does not agree anymore, but the war must > >go on ... > > > Why? i would like to know i voted for Prodi and Dalema (the left coalition who won over Berlus

Re: web browser choices

2007-03-20 Thread Cassiano Leal
Celejar wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:56:48 -0400 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:40:06PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:05:07PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: I've been searching for browsers for a while, and I've found a few t

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:17:10PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now > > that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. > > The Etch insta

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:14:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Use apt-get instead. It uses less resources. (I think.) It still has to parse the packages file. > > Also, you might try making a minimal CD repository that you can then > bring over to the 486. > > But then, is there any press

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:29:52PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 14:00 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now > > that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. > > The Etch install ma

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Frank McCormick wrote: > > I guess I still don't completely understand the Debian system. Why > would I not get security patches running testing...which I think is > really Etch now ? Security support for etch started around the freeze, IIRC. I guess it is just too much work for the security t

Re: OT: Politics and other non-Debian ramblings

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 09:54 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Please take this somewhere else! The amount and frequency has been severely diminished. Just don't read it. It is a clearly marked thread that means nothing. Don't read it. Don't get me started on the whole "What is a

Re: Installation - deselect "standard" task ???

2007-03-20 Thread Joey Hess
Erik Cummings wrote: > - "Hang" in this incident refers to a system which is completely > responsive (can switch to other vtty's and travel the system), but which > NEVER moves forward in the install process. > > - "Never" in this incident refers to a time period of between 5 > minut

Re: [linux-audio-user] Kqemu module and realtime, rt-patches

2007-03-20 Thread Lee Revell
On 3/20/07, David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any conflicts here? Keep getting failure to open existing /dev/kqemu (regardless of permissions) with an rt-patched (Ingo) kernel. I would assume that most out of tree modules won't work with -rt, and even some in-tree stuff - for exam

RE: Installation - deselect "standard" task ???

2007-03-20 Thread Erik Cummings
> -Original Message- > From: Joey Hess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:27 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Installation - deselect "standard" task ??? > > Erik Cummings wrote: > > - I've tried 3 different mirrors, and no difference. Han

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 14:18, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: >>> Greg Folkert wrote: Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread dave
on Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 12:18:21PM -0700 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > just think of the confusion when google turns up lists.debian.org for > burma-shave searches... Yow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Installation - deselect "standard" task ???

2007-03-20 Thread Joey Hess
Erik Cummings wrote: > - I've tried 3 different mirrors, and no difference. Hangs in > the same spot every time (after retrieving 82 of 82 files...). > Also, our internet is blazingly fast...without making ya'll > jealous, the download of all 82 files takes about 3 minutes.

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: > > Greg Folkert wrote: > >> Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I > >> could remember. > >> > > > > When memory fails > > To recall an ad > > It's time to shave > >

Re: host aliases

2007-03-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:27:08 +0100 Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 20 March 2007 03:44, Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:58:57 +0100 > > > > Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Monday 19 March 2007 14:48, Celejar wrote: > > > > I don't, in general, kn

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now > that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. > The Etch install manual says that i

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 13:00, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now > that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. > The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I k

Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

2007-03-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:55:38 -0400 Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 01:46 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:12:55 -0400 > > Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > Well, clearly from my email address, I do use Gmail. I li

Re: Sound on Linux?

2007-03-20 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:52:22 +0100 "Raffaele Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > LAP:/# kill artsd > > > > -su: kill: artsd: arguments must be process or job IDs > > > > > > > > > Ken, you need further manual reading about processes "management". > > > man ps > > > man kill > > > man k

Re: What do I use to reconfigure the network /after/ initial install on Etch?

2007-03-20 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:58:20 -0500 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote: > > Manual changes to conffiles are preserved. > > Celejar writes: > > Yes, but if you edit it by hand, then it won't be updated when a new > > version becomes available. > > You will be offered the choice of ke

Re: What do I use to reconfigure the network /after/ initial install on Etch?

2007-03-20 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:58:25 +0100 Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I find the little Konsole button on my panel at the top of my screen is > one of the most used apps on my system. I love the command line. I have a [Xfce] Terminal launcher on my [Xfce] panel, but I rarely use it; m

Re: What do I use to reconfigure the network /after/ initial install on Etch?

2007-03-20 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:47:00 +0100 Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Celejar wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:50:41 +0100 > > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> You want vi? change /etc/prefereces/editor to symlin

Re: OT: Politics and other non-Debian ramblings

2007-03-20 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 20 March 2007 13:17, mc3393 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > In retourn, now the people does not agree anymore, but the war must > go on ... Why? Stop shooting. Turn around. Walk away. I do not know of any reason that _stopping_ d

Re: OT: Politics and other non-Debian ramblings

2007-03-20 Thread mc3393
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > Please take this somewhere else! > > > why this and not these? ^^^ WIX stands for Windows Installer Xml?. Luigi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PRO

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 13:12, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 12:07 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:42:06AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: >>> Greg Folkert wrote in Article >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to >>> gmane.linux.

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: >> Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I >> could remember. >> > > When memory fails > To recall an ad > It's time to shave > Like dear old Dad. > > Burma-Shav

Re: distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 14:00 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now > that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. > The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge > will continue

Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

2007-03-20 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
Joe Hart wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 03/19/07 16:16, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote: > > > [snip] > > > And why are you arguing whether Debian is Ubuntu anyway? > > > > We're not. > > I am. It seems that some people are confused and think that it is the > same distribution. As I see i

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Kent West
Greg Folkert wrote: Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I could remember. When memory fails To recall an ad It's time to shave Like dear old Dad. Burma-Shave -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 12:07 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:42:06AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Greg Folkert wrote in Article > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to > > gmane.linux.debian.user: > > > > > Okay then, what is more bracing: > > > > > > -40 degrees

Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 22:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/19/07 21:57, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 21:12 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 03/19/07 18:56, Greg Folkert wrote: > >> [snip] > >>> Okay then, what is more bracing

distro for 486 with 32 MB ram

2007-03-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
I have a 486 with 32 MB ram, ISA bus NIC, currently running Sarge. Now that Etch RC2 is out I'm starting to plan for the future of this box. The Etch install manual says that it needs 64 MB ram. I know that Sarge will continue to be supported for a while but I may as well start planning. I know:

Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

2007-03-20 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 01:46 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:12:55 -0400 > Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > Well, clearly from my email address, I do use Gmail. I like evolution > > Not so clear; look at my email address, but I almost never use the > Gmail

Re: Hostname (none) after dist-upgrade

2007-03-20 Thread Wayne Topa
Hans du Plooy([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > Hi guys, > > I did a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch on a server and all went well, > except for one thing. At console, I now see this: > > root@(none):~#hostname > (none) > root@(none):~# hostname -f > hostname: Unknown host > > BUT:

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-20 Thread mc3393
Steve Lamb ha scritto: >Paul Johnson wrote: > > >>I think it speaks volumes about how indefensible your position is that you >>resort to ad hominems. >> >> > >You know, I never understood this rational. It seems to me that it >provides a simple way for the idiotic and crazy to "win" an

Kqemu module and realtime, rt-patches

2007-03-20 Thread David Baron
Is there any conflicts here? Keep getting failure to open existing /dev/kqemu (regardless of permissions) with an rt-patched (Ingo) kernel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Installation - deselect "standard" task ???

2007-03-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:12:57PM -0700, Erik Cummings wrote: > Alright - I've asked (and am pursuing) a different problem about my install > not completing if I have any tasks selected (lots of "mirror" problem > references, but I have tried 3 different mirrors about 6-7 times each!). > > The

Re: OT: Politics and other non-Debian ramblings

2007-03-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 09:54:47AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Please take this somewhere else! > > > Roberto C. Sánchez ha scritto: > > > >>What you call "W's Iraq war" had the full support (pretty close to > >>unanimous) of both houses of the US congress. > >> > >> > >>

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