Preseeding german keyboard layout in Wheezy

2012-11-21 Thread Bernhard Schmidt
Hi, I'm currently trying to streamline our Debian deployment using preseeding and I'm having issues setting a German keyboard layout. I use Wheezy daily 20121114 at the moment. Goals: - installer should be English - the country should be set to Germany (so timezone is okay) - default locale of

Difference between hijack and sub thread (was ... Re: OT: Sources.list Question)

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:09:54PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The main problem still is, that humans on this list count to much on all kinds of automatic selection. An id shouldn't be that important as a subject is. We had thousands of years of natural evolution and now we try to be better

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner: Watching the syslog, I can see what's happening when I move to another message is that a *new* login connection is being established (without closing the old one) with the IMAP server. After I've moved around enough times, the

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 14:01:53 Brad Alexander wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I guess he just have made a reply and then removed all message and title, and softwares which think IDs are relevant were fooled, unlike those

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote: Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is useful, if a newbie should

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread John L. Cunningham
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:44:29PM -0800, David Guntner wrote: Well, at least not completely. I've got Dovecot up and running, but for some reason, Thunderbird won't work with it quite right. I'll select an unread message, and the header will change in the display, but the body doesn't

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
David Guntner: Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Dovecot limits both the total number of parallel connections and the number of connections per user (or per client IP address, don't remember). Either increase that or reduce the number of connections Thunderbird uses. I think

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
John L. Cunningham grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:44:29PM -0800, David Guntner wrote: Well, at least not completely. I've got Dovecot up and running, but for some reason, Thunderbird won't work with it quite right. I'll select an unread message, and the header will

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) $man bc = Too Long;

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: David Guntner: Thunderbird isn't supposed to be opening a new connection with each message it tries to read; it should just read them with the one connection it has. Well, it usually uses more than one connection. I'd still try reducing the

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:29:20 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a computer ;) :D Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a computer ;) :D Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. Actually, that is quite

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a .. Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full stop, and by the United States Americans as point, I think. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as well? I'm going to protect myself from you by kill-filing you. You are utterly, utterly beyond the pale. Lisi --

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a computer ;) :D Or a

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Ok, so your assumption is that some connections to Dovecot hang for an unknown reason and that's why Thunderbird creates new ones? In order to debug that, I would increase logfile verbosity für Dovecot (probably including authentication logging) and

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: - Errare humanum est,

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:32 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a .. Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full stop, and by the United States

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:34 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as well? I'm going to protect myself from you by kill-filing

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:43:33 Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Lisi Reisz: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as well? I think you got Ralf wrong. He did not want to express that women are not human but to make a big

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Beco
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:34 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Morel Bérenger: Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :)

Re: dpkg: overwriting file from other package fails despite diversion

2012-11-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-11-21 11:18 +0100, gator...@yahoo.de wrote: After I made a minimal test package (which worked as expected on all systems i tried) I eventually found the problem: My package name contained a hyphen (-), but in the preinst script I had used an underscore (_) instead, so the diversion

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:43 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Darac Marjal: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: Actually, that is quite sexist. In fact, it's plain and simply sexist which is inappropriate in this community. Apologize! I most certainly will not.

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:47:20 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I You should say either I apologise or My apologies. Apologize! means you're demanding an apology from someone else. -- Regards _

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 18:04 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Darac Marjal: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: Actually, that is quite sexist. In fact, it's plain and simply sexist which is inappropriate in

Re: Awk, filtering match through external command

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Davies
Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: I don't see a way to pipe both ends of an external command. I'm not sure even *perl* could do that. It can [*], see IPC::Open2 and IPC::Open3. But you can end up with all sorts of buffer related race conditions. Chris -- [*] are you really

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 17:13 +, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:47:20 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I You should say either I apologise or My apologies. Apologize! means

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in this first use in 1982: That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just over half of the population is _funny_. As apparently do you. Lisi --

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 17:13:18 Brad Rogers wrote: Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I You should say either I apologise or My apologies. Apologize! means you're demanding an apology from someone else. He probably is! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 17:46 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in this first use in 1982: That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just over half of

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Siard
Jochen Spieker: Morel Bérenger: $man dc = reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple calculations and conversions... That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science. No, dc is a perfect tool for simple calculations and conversions. Instead of entering e.g.

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:41:08 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour I picked up your intent, but clearly others didn't. At least one other person involved in this rigmarole is not a native English

Re: Denigrating messages on Debian lists [Re: [ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...]]

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:28 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a computer ;) Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. Sending messages which

Re: Denigrating messages on Debian lists [Re: [ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...]]

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 19:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:28 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a computer ;) Or a woman.

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 18:12 +, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:41:08 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hello Ralf, I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour I picked up your intent, but clearly others didn't. At least one

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Beco
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in this first use in 1982: That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 -0300, Beco wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in this first use in 1982: That is what is so

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Soare Catalin
On Nov 21, 2012 7:57 PM, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote: Jochen Spieker: Morel Bérenger: $man dc = reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple calculations and conversions... That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science. No, dc is a perfect tool

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Florian Snow
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 17:13:18 Brad Rogers wrote: Apologize! means you're demanding an apology from someone else. He probably is! Ok, I understand that you were offended by Ralf's original joke, but is it really necessary to make an already heated

Re: Outrageous sexism

2012-11-21 Thread Siard
Ralf Mardorf wrote: I guess I'll unsubscribe. IMO it became ridiculous. I wasn't over-careful, IMO that's all. Wait, don't go! ;-) Here at the European side of the Atlantic, jokes about women as wel as men are very common, they are utterly harmless and no one takes them seriously. My

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Florian Snow wrote: Ok, I understand that you were offended by Ralf's original joke, but is it really necessary to make an already heated debate worse by making statements like yours? Ralf already explained that he actually meant to apologize and didn't ask for an apology and others already

Re: Outrageous sexism

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Lewis
On 21/11/12 19:46:20, Siard wrote: Wait, don't go! ;-) Seconded. I'm surprised that so much fuss is made about this. Agreed. Surely something that could have been dealt with off list? ___ News is what somebody somewhere wants to

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list

Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Hi all, While still trying to figure out why Thunderbird isn't working so well with Dovecot, I figured I'd move onto another mystery; thought I'd seek out some opinions here. :-) When setting up Linux systems, I've always set up a separate swap partition. I was reading a few days ago that

Re: Graphic-Card-Resolution in GUI affects blanking virtual-consoles(tty1 etc.)

2012-11-21 Thread Herbert Schwarzer
Yeah, but why does it take several seconds? Have you tried another DE/WM combination? So, really in fact, you want to run KDE at a higher resolution than what your card is capable of? I don't know why the virtual consoles go BLANK only after about 20 seconds, it seems to be a problem

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 12:21 -0800, Gary Roach wrote: It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its name. Is there a way to get some smarter autocompletion? Assumed I can't rember the command name

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Joe
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:02:56 -0600 Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday I use dpkg when I'm in trouble, or if I need to

Re: Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread Kelly Clowers
Pretty sure the partition is far more common. The file version is there if you need it, but hopefully you don't. Having the pages sit in a file on top of a filesystem just adds some extra layers, probably decreases performance a bit, AFAIK On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM, David Guntner

Re: Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello David, David Guntner dav...@akamail.net wrote: swap *file* instead. So, anyone? Pros cons? Is there any reason to prefer one over the other? Are you sure you need swap at all? If so, will your server still deliver acceptable performance if it is actively swapping? If yes, then the

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote: I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb I do the same. Usually I build packages, instead of running make install and I don't have my own repository. mc Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all the admin work I

RE: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Mark Allums
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a .. Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full stop, and by the United States Americans as point, I think. Depends on context. Point for

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Lisi Reisz écrivait: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in this first use in 1982: That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just over half of the

Re: Denigrating messages on Debian lists [Re: [ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...]]

2012-11-21 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Ralf Mardorf écrivait: On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:28 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a computer ;) Or a woman. I hope

Re: Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread Rob Owens
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:23:42PM -0800, David Guntner wrote: Hi all, While still trying to figure out why Thunderbird isn't working so well with Dovecot, I figured I'd move onto another mystery; thought I'd seek out some opinions here. :-) When setting up Linux systems, I've always set

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Following up to myself here, since I just discovered something which might be a clue As previously noted, my smart phone's mail program has absolutely no problems accessing the IMAP sever (Dovecot). I can read new mail, old mail, whatever - no hanging, no extra login connections showing up

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 23:28 +0100, François TOURDE wrote: Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Lisi Reisz écrivait: On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in this first use in 1982: That is what is so very

Re: Can;t fix doc-base installation problem

2012-11-21 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/20/2012 10:49 AM, Gary Roach wrote: Hi everyone: I've had to restore one of my systems from cold iron. Aptitude seems to be hanging up when trying to install / purge / update doc-base. I've tried Aptitude, dpkg and apt-get including the -f switch with no joy. Below is a typical

sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
pc A, wheezy, /sbin/init, lenovo x220 laptop pc B, aka target, wheezy, alternately boot with /sbin/init and /bin/systemd, asus eee701 mini laptop # Boot pc B with init=/sbin/init # Sequence as run from pc A: unset LS_COLORS unalias ls cd /tmp mkdir t sshfs target:/ t ls ls -l ls -lF cd t ls ls

Re: sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Having run systemctl kill ssh.service, I wanted to log back in to pc B, from pc A, and to run further tests, so I ran: systemctl start ssh.service systemctl status ssh.service, and I git a nice green active, running entry in the output, but alas, no sshd is running, only an sftp-server!

Re: Can;t fix doc-base installation problem

2012-11-21 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:49:03AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote: Hi everyone: I've had to restore one of my systems from cold iron. Aptitude seems I guerss you are using unstable. to be hanging up when trying to install / purge / update doc-base. I've tried Aptitude, dpkg and apt-get including

Re: systemd hangs on fstab directory bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
OK, speaking of gooses, I've discovered the goose is me. I've just spent an hour testing and retesting, trying to recreate the problem! Quite exasperating. So I went back to previous versions of fstab, finally digging up an old internal IDE drive from a previous laptop, to find what I'd somehow

Re: sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Booting pc A with systemd to run this sshd killing and not restarting properly sequence, I can't reproduce this stop/kill/start sequence failure, even with a manual kill -9 $SSHD-PID thrown in the sequence on pc B. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/22/12, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: pc A, wheezy, /sbin/init, lenovo x220 laptop pc B, aka target, wheezy, alternately boot with /sbin/init and /bin/systemd, asus eee701 mini laptop # Boot pc B with init=/sbin/init # Sequence as run from pc A: unset LS_COLORS unalias ls

Re: systemd hangs on fstab directory bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
PS, This is still just an assumption, as I don't have a photographic memory of every command I ran over the last week, but it's the only way I can recreate something that appears similar/same as I experienced before, so it seems to me, the most likely possibility. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Identify PCI/PCI-X/AGP devices nature

2012-11-21 Thread George Chelidze
Hello, Is it possible to find out what kind of PCI/PCI-X/AGP device is installed on a PC? (CentOS/RedHat bases boxes). In other words, if a system has two video cards and I know for sure that one is onboard card, how can I find out which one is it. The same applies to all PCI/PCI-X/AGP

Re: Bug#693843: systemd hangs on fstab directory bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Zenaan Harkness My brown paper bag moment (I was evidently not quite as rigorous in my one-change-at-a-time methodology as I thought I was) is my failure to add noauto or comment=systemd.automount to my USB rescue automount. Ooops. :-) Closing this bug, then. Thanks for tracking it

Re: Bug#693843: systemd hangs on fstab directory bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Is there a ways for this to be slightly less bite-ing for systemd newbies such as myself? Perhaps a timeout of just 20s, plus a big loud syslog msg or something rather than a 2 to 5 minute hang? Just a thought, to assist the impatient who might otherwise be lured into systemd land :) Kind regards

Re: Identify PCI/PCI-X/AGP devices nature

2012-11-21 Thread ed mente
Is it possible to find out what kind of PCI/PCI-X/AGP device is installed on a PC? you can start by running lspci -vv -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

RE: Debian op laptop?

2012-11-21 Thread KAs Coenen
Ik heb me een Sony Vaio Z gekocht (3rd gen, gekocht in nl) en ik draai daar debian testing op (dualboot). Alles werkt heel goed en zelfs na het uitvoeren van updates. Draait nu al meer dan 5 maand stabiel en zonder problemen. Ik had wel verwacht dat er problemen mee zouden zijn. De hardware is

Re: Debian op laptop?

2012-11-21 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 21-11-12 05:57, Geert Stappers schreef: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:31:12PM +0100, Eric wrote: Hoi, Ik ben eens aan het rondkijken naar laptops waar debian op draait. Zo heb ik Mingos gevonden (www.mingos.nl), en hettes (www.hettes.nl) en http://www.linux-laptop.net/ (met teveel

Re: Debian op laptop?

2012-11-21 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 20-11-12 22:31, Eric schreef: Ik ben eens aan het rondkijken naar laptops waar debian op draait. Zo heb ik Mingos gevonden (www.mingos.nl), en hettes (www.hettes.nl) en http://www.linux-laptop.net/ (met teveel informatie). Heeft er iemand ervaring met Mingos en / of Hettes, of andere

Re: Debian op laptop!

2012-11-21 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:30:25AM +0100, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Op 21-11-12 05:57, Geert Stappers schreef: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:31:12PM +0100, Eric wrote: Hoi, Ik ben eens aan het rondkijken naar laptops waar debian op draait. Zo heb ik Mingos gevonden (www.mingos.nl), en

Goed communiceren

2012-11-21 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 21-11-12 18:48, Geert Stappers schreef: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:30:25AM +0100, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Op 21-11-12 05:57, Geert Stappers schreef: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:31:12PM +0100, Eric wrote: Hoi, Ik ben eens aan het rondkijken naar laptops waar debian op draait. Zo heb ik

Re: Goed communiceren

2012-11-21 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
Paul van der Vlis: Geert Stappers: Paul van der Vlis: Geert Stappers schreef: Eric: Heeft er iemand ervaring met Mingos en / of Hettes, of andere leveranciers in Nederland? Ja. Hmm, je antwoord is wel erg basic. Ja, het was een bewuste keuze om de

Re: Debian op laptop?

2012-11-21 Thread Eric
On 11/21/2012 09:23 AM, KAs Coenen wrote: Ik heb me een Sony Vaio Z gekocht (3rd gen, gekocht in nl) en ik draai daar debian testing op (dualboot). Alles werkt heel goed en zelfs na het uitvoeren van updates. Draait nu al meer dan 5 maand stabiel en zonder problemen. Ik had wel verwacht dat

Re: Debian op laptop?

2012-11-21 Thread Eric
On 11/21/2012 11:13 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Ik heb onlangs bij Hettes 18 laptops gekocht. Ze hebben gedaan wat ze beloofd hebben, maar ik werd toch niet heel blij van ze. Ze waren wat wantrouwig en niet echt enthousiast. Zag ook nogal wat kapotte links op de website, wat voor mij een soort

Re: Debian op laptop?

2012-11-21 Thread Martijn Grendelman
Hoi, Ik ben eens aan het rondkijken naar laptops waar debian op draait. Zo heb ik Mingos gevonden (www.mingos.nl), en hettes (www.hettes.nl) en http://www.linux-laptop.net/ (met teveel informatie). Heeft er iemand ervaring met Mingos en / of Hettes, of andere leveranciers in Nederland? Je

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