Re: Toshiba Satellite C50d/A00L laptop, can't install Debian - any version......

2013-11-20 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:03:57 -0600 Selim T. Erdogan sent: > Further googling might get you something better/easier. Thank you Selim, for taking the time to discover these links. It's much appreciated and they will come in useful, as I think I'll just install ubuntu, as ubuntu 10 works so the late

Google & other web mail (was Re: top posting)

2013-11-20 Thread David Guntner
Brad Alexander grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > Actually, I can see the point of posting inline, however, leave it to > google and other mail apps to go and ruin it. In the gmail web interface, > when you reply to an email or even a thread, you get the text entry box, > with the message you are r

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Brad Alexander
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM, David Guntner wrote: > Brad Alexander grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my > > mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not > > want to scroll through messages that t

Re: tv watching apps

2013-11-20 Thread Brad Alexander
Thanks for the links, guys. So now on to the troubleshooting part. Since both tvtime and vlc have the problem, I am thinking it is the The problem is that I am getting video, but not audio, in both tvtime and vlc. So I am trying to determine where the problem lies. She can get audio, for instance,

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/20/13, Joel Rees wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 21:00 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html >> >>> I'm using systemd for a very long time now

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 07:19:45PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily > basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. > I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fear? For those who > have installed it, does

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi Zenaan, > > I could talk about real issues that are systemd related, but I resist, Then please also resist "emotive" and "non-technical" attacks. That is the only reasonable alternative. Emotional attacks are sometimes forgiven when there is a genuine techni

Venture MMV

2013-11-20 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi, Did someone ever use those glasses with Debian ? http://www.nyxiotechnologies.com/products/venture-mmv Any review appreciated. Thank you -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.”

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Doug
On 11/20/2013 06:31 PM, Brad Alexander wrote: > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To > my mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would > not want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know > that I don't. If they are comme

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical > flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a > conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). ​ >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Brad Alexand

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread David
On 21 November 2013 10:31, Brad Alexander wrote: > > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. When you're curious about anything, use a search engine, like I used to find this for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style Especially if the thing you are curio

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Ash Narayanan
Kelly, according to the rules of posting on this mailing list, you should've posted that empty comment at the bottom ;) On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > >> The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread David Guntner
Brad Alexander grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my > mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not > want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know that I > don't. If they are commen

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical > flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a > conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). But I agree > with you, and for years read my email i

Re: top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Patrick Wiseman
The usual objection to top posting is that it destroys the logical flow of the conversation (and no doubt someone will post a conversation in reverse order to illustrate the point). But I agree with you, and for years read my email in reverse chronological order precisely so that I could save time

top posting

2013-11-20 Thread Brad Alexander
I'm just curious why so many people get so upset about top posting. To my mind, as threads get longer, those keeping up with the thread would not want to scroll through messages that they have already read. I know that I don't. If they are commenting inline, that is fine, but I think that scrolling

Re: Toshiba Satellite C50d/A00L laptop, can't install Debian - any version......

2013-11-20 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Charlie, 19.11.2013: > > Trying to install Debian on this lappy and keep hitting a brick wall. > > The same message with the Jessie or Wheezy netinstall iso or the > first Install DVD of Jessie or Wheezy: > > "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch > between the kernel

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 20:11 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 07:11:04PM +, Brian wrote: > > In what way does such an extended discussion "perfectly" answer the OP's > > question,oespecially when some of the responses imply bad faith on the > > part of the OP and a develo

Re: LibreOffice Base replacement

2013-11-20 Thread Joe
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 09:03:32 + Joe wrote: > > I spent some time trying to print > addresses. Postal addresses have varying fields present, and I don't > want blank lines in the middle of my printed addresses. My Access > solution involves a large ugly mess of IF statements, but it's simple

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/19/2013 03:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: When Ubuntu was new, they called me a troll when I said something about Mark Shuttleworth, but all I said became true :). I'm satisfied ;). We shoulda had a V-8 juice! One thing is for certain, This User list is 1000% better than the Ubunutu user l

Re: GDM3 Duplicates Menus Clocks Workspace Switcher etc.

2013-11-20 Thread Felix Winterhalter
Hi Jörg, the error was caused because the old Gnome 3 Versions didn't have a check implemented for multiple monitors and just produced a menu for each monitor it found. It shouldn't happen anymore with the latest versions of Gnome 3 and gdm. So to fix the problem I would recommend: Update y

Re: GDM3 Duplicates Menus Clocks Workspace Switcher etc.

2013-11-20 Thread Jörg Wynands
Hi Felix, found your post because i have the identical problem. Maybe you found a solution meanwhile? Best regards Jörg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debi

k3b: no optical device found

2013-11-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi, Running current Sid. k3b always worked but since the last upgrade cannot find any optical device. Hal and udisks are installed. The device is /dev/sr0 and wodim runs and finds it just fine. User is part of cdrom group. /dev/sr0 lists cdrom as its group. listdevmapper is installed. Anyone hav

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 07:11:04PM +, Brian wrote: > In what way does such an extended discussion "perfectly" answer the OP's > question,oespecially when some of the responses imply bad faith on the > part of the OP and a developer of some linux software? Mails such as > those do not reflect we

Re: Remote xboard without Desktop Environment

2013-11-20 Thread Beco
On 20 November 2013 13:57, Darac Marjal wrote: >> >> Flik is the ICS (internet chess server, or xboard server), not a client. > > Ah, OK. So Flik rather than Lizard is the server. I think I > misunderstood there. In that case you want to make Lizard the client. > > Hmm. I don't know of a program l

Re: Toshiba Satellite C50d/A00L laptop, can't install Debian - any version......

2013-11-20 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:46:30 +0100 Carlo sent: > first of all, I would try to check in your router configuration if > DCHP is ENABLED. I have tried it through an Ethernet cable direct to the ADSL2 modem, through wireless over ADSL2 modem. This system runs 7 windows 7 computers without error, and

Re: Toshiba Satellite C50d/A00L laptop, can't install Debian - any version......

2013-11-20 Thread Carlo
first of all, I would try to check in your router configuration if DCHP is ENABLED. Then I would try install again NETINSTALL CD AMD64, but the THIS TESTING VERSION http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso, using ethernet cable RJ45. DOWNLOAD IT

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Brian
On Wed 20 Nov 2013 at 16:33:08 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 03:30:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I've got doubts that it would be different on this list, however, we > > perhaps should continue at > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offt

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:37:52 +0100 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org napísal: > > systemd's pulled in by GNOME. > > Wrong. Every program using dbus, and they are not only GNOME ones, > pulls in systemd-login0. For example, Konsole (KDE) depends on dbus. > At least on Debian Linux. There are p

Re: Remote xboard without Desktop Environment

2013-11-20 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 02:38:53PM -0200, Beco wrote: > On 20 November 2013 12:57, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > > >> [Fox] -> ssh -> [Lizard] -> xboard-protocol -> [Flik] <- > >> xboard-protocol <- [netizens] > > > > One possibility might be to use "screen" or "tmux" to provide a > > detachable co

Re: Automatic installs

2013-11-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 20 November 2013 01:37:42 Brad Alexander wrote: > Actually, nowadays, I end up having to dist-upgrade to get new > kernels, etc. Which kind of defeats the *dist* part of dist-upgade. Aptitude uses full-upgrade. As opposed to safe-upgrade. Semantically preferable. ;-) Lisi -- To

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 03:30:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I've got doubts that it would be different on this list, however, we > perhaps should continue at > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic . But it's perfectly on topic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:47:53 + Tom H napísal: >> >> AFAIK, if a package has "ubuntu" in its version name, it's been >> changed by the Ubuntu developers. > > Are you sure, that this is mark of changes? Are you checked the > changelog? It is not

Re: Remote xboard without Desktop Environment

2013-11-20 Thread Beco
On 20 November 2013 12:57, Darac Marjal wrote: >> The obvious solution is to install a DE. The machine is too old and >> slow. I don't want to install a DE unless necessary. > > This is probably the easiest question to answer. If you do "ssh -X > lizard", then SSH will set up what is known as "X f

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:47:53 + Tom H napísal: > AFAIK, if a package has "ubuntu" in its version name, it's been > changed by the Ubuntu developers. Are you sure, that this is mark of changes? Are you checked the changelog? It is not necessary mark of changes in package, it is only mark

Re: Remote xboard without Desktop Environment

2013-11-20 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 01:33:21PM -0200, Beco wrote: > Hello fellows, > > I find it hard to ask exactly what I need as solution, and so, to > avoid XY problem I'll openly discuss the main objective here. > > So, I have this hobby, chess, and I've being developing since 94 a > chess engine (Xadre

Remote xboard without Desktop Environment

2013-11-20 Thread Beco
Hello fellows, I find it hard to ask exactly what I need as solution, and so, to avoid XY problem I'll openly discuss the main objective here. So, I have this hobby, chess, and I've being developing since 94 a chess engine (Xadreco) that runs with xboard protocol. (Oldtimes, it just used conio.h/

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Let's stop _capturing_ "testing wants to install systemd" for a discussion that is proved to lead - in best cases to nothing - or usually to a flame war I've got doubts that it would be different on this list, however, we perhaps should continue at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >> If you want to check whether your your system shut down because it was >> overheating (as someone needed to on fedora-users recently), you can >> run "journalctl _KERNEL_SUBSYSTEM=thermal". >

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 20 November 2013 13:52:02 Tom H wrote: >> >> it's not the most straightforward move from a user's perspective. > > From this user's perspective, it's a very good idea. I wasn't commenting on the goodness. :) I was just commenting

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > Le 20.11.2013 12:48, Tom H a écrit : >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Rob Owens wrote: I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily basis. I noticed toda

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 20 November 2013 13:52:02 Tom H wrote: > it's not the most straightforward move from a user's perspective. From this user's perspective, it's a very good idea. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact li

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Tom H wrote: > [...] > If you want to check whether your your system shut down because it was > overheating (as someone needed to on fedora-users recently), you can > run "journalctl _KERNEL_SUBSYSTEM=thermal". Thus, Poettering and the systemd crowd have invented

[was intended to be sent off-list] Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
IMO we should stop discussing systemd ;). JFTR On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 13:11 +, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > > > Once you should use it again, please let me know how comfortable you're > > with journalctl. > > This is the second time in this threa

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.11.2013 12:48, Tom H a écrit : On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Rob Owens wrote: I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. I've nev

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:44 PM, wrote: > Le 19.11.2013 21:26, Nemeth Gyorgy a écrit : >> >> Actually it is not a distro fork. The pool of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, >> ubuntu is the same (the sources.list is the same for all). You >> can consider the different 'distributions' as different instal

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.11.2013 13:34, Joel Rees a écrit : One minor quibble with his myths, the *nix shell languages are not arcane, no more arcane, at any rate, than C itself. The odd syntax for conditionals has a reason. Every programming language has it's reasons, and failure to understand them makes them ap

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.11.2013 10:34, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 09:08 +0100, Slavko wrote: Please, how useful are Arch's things for me as Debian user? My apologies Slavko, I'll rephrase it, the state of Debian's testing initscripts/systemd seems to be neither fish nor fowl. When I experien

Re: gdm3 blackout and system lockout

2013-11-20 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 07:30:26AM -0500, chris dunn wrote: > On the 18th I upgraded gdm3 as a normal upgrade on my motion M1400 > tablet running debian testing with an i486 kernel. > > Noting on another box that the new gdm3 login screen provided an > onscreen keyboard (much wanted on the tablet)

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Once you should use it again, please let me know how comfortable you're > with journalctl. This is the second time in this thread that you criticize journald and I don't understand why. 1) If you're using systemd as pid 1, you can configu

gdm3 blackout and system lockout

2013-11-20 Thread chris dunn
On the 18th I upgraded gdm3 as a normal upgrade on my motion M1400 tablet running debian testing with an i486 kernel. Noting on another box that the new gdm3 login screen provided an onscreen keyboard (much wanted on the tablet) I decided to test the new gdm3 login on the tablet. Now booting the

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >>> >>> I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily >>> basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install s

Re: Toshiba Satellite C50d/A00L laptop, can't install Debian - any version......

2013-11-20 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:18:07 +0100 Carlo sent: > Have you use NETINSTALL AMD64 DEBIAN STABLE? When you write a cd-r use > 4x as speed. After this check in your BIOS that it is NOT Activated > UEFI. > > Check again this configuration. > > Tell us for your progress. > > Carlo. Hello Carlo, Yes,

Re: Finding pertinent inforation on WEB

2013-11-20 Thread Richard Owlett
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/11/13 04:45, Richard Owlett wrote: Linux-Fan wrote: On 11/19/2013 03:20 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: If needing to read a "man page", http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi exists. Is there an equivalent site to retrieve what would be displayed by the info command.

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 21:00 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html > >> I'm using systemd for a very long time now, the content of the above >> link is

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Words from the man who shoots photos from himself in front of a mirror > to post them in the internet I don't see how the fact the Lennart posted such a picture of himself is in any way an issue for systemd. Taking a selfie, whether in a

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 19.11.2013 21:26, Nemeth Gyorgy a écrit : 2013-11-19 14:40 keltezéssel, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org írta: Do not take me wrong, I do not say that Debian is not as good or better that Ubuntu (I think it is better, especially in terms of flexibility: there are more than one DE maintained

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM, James Allsopp wrote: > On 20 November 2013 10:00, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> >>> My apologies Slavko, I'll rephrase it, the state of Debian's testing >>> initscripts/systemd seems to be neither fish nor fowl. When I >>> experi

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > Installing systemd will not change your init system (unless you > actively choose to do so). GNOME now depends on some of the > systemd components but does not require you to have systemd as > your init system. Is there feature parity b

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Zenaan, I could talk about real issues that are systemd related, but I resist, since AFAIK there never ever was a useful discussion about systemd. People simply should use and experience it on their own. Once you should use it again, please let me know how comfortable you're with journalctl.

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily > basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. > I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fear? For those who > have installed it, does the sys

Re: Toshiba Satellite C50d/A00L laptop, can't install Debian - any version......

2013-11-20 Thread Carlo
Have you use NETINSTALL AMD64 DEBIAN STABLE? When you write a cd-r use 4x as speed. After this check in your BIOS that it is NOT Activated UEFI. Check again this configuration. Tell us for your progress. Carlo. 2013/11/19 Charlie : > > > Trying to install Debian on this lappy and keep hitting a

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Rob Owens wrote: >> >> I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily >> basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. >> I've never used systemd -- is there anyt

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > However, http://packages.debian.org/jessie/systemd , systemd by the > Debian package depends on udev, so they aren't merged and it also > depends on initscripts, IOW systemd isn't systemd. Why does systemd need > initscripts? Must be regardi

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >> I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily >> basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. >> I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fe

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 21:00 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html > I'm using systemd for a very long time now, the content of the above > link is complete bogus, since it does ignore the real issues. > > Howeve

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> The best thing to do, to build an opinion about advantages and drawbacks ^ form an opinion > of systemd is to use systemd. Reading other opinions, experiences that > usually are long flame wars, is useless. Install it, use it and > experience it yourself. -- T

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 11:56 +0100, I wrote ... > On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 21:00 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html > > Words from the man who shoots photos from himself in front of a mirror > to post them in the internet (not you Zenaan, I'm tali

Re: LibreOffice Base replacement

2013-11-20 Thread Joe
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:37:28 -0200 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013, Joe wrote: > > The particular frustrations in LO are that selecting the report > > wizard really does crash every open LO document, so I've given up > > on that, and the manual editor refuses to switch to

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 21:00 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html Words from the man who shoots photos from himself in front of a mirror to post them in the internet (not you Zenaan, I'm taliking about Lennart ;). My apologize, sure, a "package inv

Re: Wheezy: Changing date format in LibreOffice Calc

2013-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/13 21:35, Ldten K wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to change a date format in LibreOffice Calc (LOC). I thought it > would be a simple thing to do but for some reason it doesn't work for me. > What I did: > > 1. Open LOC, start a new spreadsheet > 2. Enter 6 new rows in column A as follows

Re: Wheezy: Changing date format in LibreOffice Calc

2013-11-20 Thread David
On 20 November 2013 21:35, Ldten K wrote: > > I am trying to change a date format in LibreOffice Calc (LOC). I thought it > would be a simple thing to do but for some reason it doesn't work for me. > What I did: > > 1. Open LOC, start a new spreadsheet > 2. Enter 6 new rows in column A as follow

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread James Allsopp
Hi, >From a casual perusal of the lists systemd, seems to be getting a reputation as one of the those projects to avoid like pulse-audio and mono, but the link you sent sounds more reasonable. Is there a good balanced discussion anywhere? James On 20 November 2013 10:00, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily > basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. > I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fear? For those who > have installed it, does the sys

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:55:41 + Tom H napísal: >>> >>> I'm pleasantly surprised with just how similar Debian XFCE and >>> Xubuntu are, which makes me wonder if there are any major >>> differences at all. >> >> Please bottom post. >> >> Differe

Re: Why Debian

2013-11-20 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 21:55 +, Tom H wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alex Naysmith >> wrote: >>> I'm pleasantly surprised with just how similar Debian XFCE and Xubuntu are, >>> which makes me wonder if there are any major dif

Wheezy: Changing date format in LibreOffice Calc

2013-11-20 Thread Ldten K
Hi, I am trying to change a date format in LibreOffice Calc (LOC). I thought it would be a simple thing to do but for some reason it doesn't work for me. What I did: 1. Open LOC, start a new spreadsheet 2. Enter 6 new rows in column A as follows: 20.11.2013 21.11.2013 22.11.2013 23.

Re: LibreOffice Base replacement

2013-11-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013, Joe wrote: > The particular frustrations in LO are that selecting the report wizard > really does crash every open LO document, so I've given up on that, and > the manual editor refuses to switch to report view once there are three > or four text boxes on the page. The error me

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 09:08 +0100, Slavko wrote: >> Please, how useful are Arch's things for me as Debian user? > > My apologies Slavko, I'll rephrase it, the state of Debian's testing > initscripts/systemd seems to be neither fish nor fowl. When I > experienced

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Installing systemd will not change your init system (unless you actively choose to do so). GNOME now depends on some of the systemd components but does not require you to have systemd as your init system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubs

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 19 Nov 2013 at 19:19:45 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily > basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. > I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fear? For those who > have installed it, does the

Re: Automatic installs

2013-11-20 Thread Curt
On 2013-11-20, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > For a dist-upgrade you should use whatever is advised in the Release > Notes for that release, regardless of your usual preferences. That would be the apt tool when upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 09:08 +0100, Slavko wrote: > Please, how useful are Arch's things for me as Debian user? My apologies Slavko, I'll rephrase it, the state of Debian's testing initscripts/systemd seems to be neither fish nor fowl. When I experienced this on Arch Linux during the transition fro

Re: LibreOffice Base replacement

2013-11-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/20/13, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:01:08 +1100 > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> On 11/20/13, Joe wrote: >> > At the moment I'm trying >> > hard to make LibreOffice Base do some of the things >> > Access was doing in 1995, without crashing. >> > It is around half-way usable, as long as

Re: Pulse-audio "brown outs" (like a half second cross fade)

2013-11-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 19:12 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> After installing pulse audio, would I need to reboot (or restart X)? > > I don't think so, but rebooting can't harm when running into an issue. > JFTR if the user is a new member in the group audio (or

Re: LibreOffice Base replacement

2013-11-20 Thread Joe
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:01:08 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/20/13, Joe wrote: > > At the moment I'm trying > > hard to make LibreOffice Base do some of the things > > Access was doing in 1995, without crashing. > > It is around half-way usable, as long as I > > don't want it to do anything

Re: Pulse-audio "brown outs" (like a half second cross fade)

2013-11-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 19:12 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > After installing pulse audio, would I need to reboot (or restart X)? I don't think so, but rebooting can't harm when running into an issue. JFTR if the user is a new member in the group audio (or any other group) you need to log out and

Re: testing wants to install systemd

2013-11-20 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:21:02 +0100 Ralf Mardorf napísal: > Impressions from Arch > = Please, how useful are Arch's things for me as Debian user? regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Pulse-audio "brown outs" (like a half second cross fade)

2013-11-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/20/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Does not occur with alsaplayer. CORRECTION: OK, same thing occurred after some 8 minutes or so using alsa output (Audacious). BUT, pahwchooser, pavumixer and pavucontrol were all still running. Now running the same test (extended play multiple sequential fi