On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 02:33:43PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote:
> > As is the light originating inside peoples' homes and passing out of
> > their windows. In which case it is arguable that it is perfectly
> > acceptable to collect and record that light with a camer
On 19/04/14 16:19, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:13:54PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> There's really no need to pass laws against bad weather, or sharp
>> corners on furniture, to protect idiots from themselves.
>
> :)
>
> On the blender I have, it's got "CAUTION: NEVER P
On 19/04/2014 6:08 AM, Roger Klorese wrote:
> How much do you think distributors and resellers get when you buy packaged
> software in a store or online?!
Often times retailers get the raw end of the stick, it's the distys that
make the most per sale -- probably like artists with music too often.
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 08:11:34PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> Funny thing, after dinking around in synaptic, I'm finding a lot of
> lib-wayland packages installed within Jessie.
If you are worried about library dependencies, I suggest looking at the
Gentoo Linux distribution.
http://www.gentoo.or
On 19/04/14 07:55, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:48:13 -0500
> John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Karl E. Jorgensen writes:
>>> Obviously, they had no need to save the actual *traffic*, merely the
>>> access point MAC address, signal strength and streetview car
>>> location to do this.
>>
>> In any ca
Okay, the short version of the long post:
If you don't know what to do about things like the heartbeat/bleed bug, I'm
suggesting we all start contributing more to the projects we regularly use.
Learn to code if we haven't. Report bugs. Help with documentation and
localization.
That's how we redu
Joel Rees grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> (Reader beware. Length breeds length.)
And this whole thread has gone on (and morphed) entirely too long.
Please take it to the Debian Offtopic list.
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:57 PM, somebody wrote:
> On 4/17/2014 5:40 AM, Curt wrote:
>
>> On 2014-04-17, ken wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Steve brings up a very good point, one often overlooked in our zeal for
>>> getting so much FOSS for absolutely no cost. Since w
I just wonder...
What is the advantages/disadvantages of Pulseaduio and Alsa?
What are they anyways?
On 04/17/2014 02:49 AM, Mark Carroll wrote:
On 04/13/2014 02:26 AM, Man_Without_Clue wrote:
Is there anyone who is using Skype with no problem at all on Debian
Wheezy 64 bit?
I missed the s
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
> I believe this is likely a network issue but I'm having difficulty
> tracking it down. I had a very similar problem a while back that seemed to
> be from having too many NFS shares. I'd reduced the number to 4 and it
> cleared up.
>
> I had anot
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 22:39:31 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 18 April 2014 18:56:55 wobbly-hs wrote:
> > Lisi Reisz asked:
..
> Thanks. Have you said which printer? If so, I have missed it. It is
> likely to be relevant. I have absolutely no problems with my
> Samsung, nor with other S
That's hardware, mainly. But margins on PC hardware are terrible too. Software
is typically 30% or so.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 18, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/04/2014 6:08 AM, Roger Klorese wrote:
>> How much do you think distributors and resellers get when yo
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 10:19 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 18/04/14 12:33 AM, Corey Blair wrote:
> > I got a new laptop without a CD/DVD drive and am trying to install off
> > a USB image and either dual boot my pre-installed windows 8.1 or just
> > wipe and use strictly Debian. I get all the way
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:48:13 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Karl E. Jorgensen writes:
> > Obviously, they had no need to save the actual *traffic*, merely the
> > access point MAC address, signal strength and streetview car
> > location to do this.
>
> In any case, the traffic was broadcast into pub
On Friday 18 April 2014 18:56:55 wobbly-hs wrote:
> Lisi Reisz asked:
> >It would be interesting to know what your current problem is. You
> > only vaguely mention that it is something to do with printing.
>
> So to answer that, following a routine install of Wheezy xfce
> edition, other programs
On 19/04/2014 6:08 AM, Roger Klorese wrote:
> How much do you think distributors and resellers get when you buy packaged
> software in a store or online?!
Not much, generally, especially Apple distributors -- again because
Apple themselves are too greedy and they are big competition to their
own
How much do you think distributors and resellers get when you buy packaged
software in a store or online?!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 18, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/04/2014 3:09 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>> But, but, you would deprive Apple of that $5.99? Commie
On 19/04/2014 3:09 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> But, but, you would deprive Apple of that $5.99? Commie!!!
I must be too, because I have trouble supporting the whole, 'apple
*always( gets a cut' deal together with 'apple users will pay more or
something, when others may not pay at all' ... Perso
On 19/04/2014 12:21 AM, Oliver Fairhall wrote:
> On 17/04/14 10:13, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> The "presumption" was made that the majority of readers, including the
>> OP, would have the basic intelligence necessary to differentiate between
>> the instructions to use "the latest java package" and an
On Vi, 18 apr 14, 10:52:14, wobbly-hs wrote:
>
> My question is seeking to understand the criteria on which a fix is moved down
> to stable. I think it is likely if the problem were not that printing doesn't
> work but that web servers don't work, it would be fixed in stable overnight.
> So why i
On Vi, 18 apr 14, 11:08:42, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >On Jo, 17 apr 14, 11:15:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>
> >>Yeah BUT ;(
> >>I get NO errors or warnings when apt-get uses the physical DVDs from which
> >>the loop mounted iso's were created.
> >
> >/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00tr
Thanks all for your taking the time to comment on my questions
Brian pointed to the new backport
1.9.63-1~bpo70+1: amd64
This looks very much like the same thing I'd produced as a
private backport which I installed:
python-cups_1.9.63-1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb
Lisi Reisz asked:
>It would be intere
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 09:27:32AM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>
> > > Or Apple, sacrifices your
> > > security by wordsmithing. According to them, they don't get malware,
> > their
> > > computers just have "unwanted programs."
> >
> >
staticsafe staticsafe.ca> writes:
>
> On 4/17/2014 20:43, Amit wrote:
> > Name or service not known (-2)
>
> Sounds like you have/had DNS issues. Perhaps the resolver(s) in
> /etc/resolv.conf were unresponsive?
>
Thanks.
I think I may have found the issue. ntpdate is being called twice.
Fir
Kumar Appaiah alumni.iitm.ac.in> writes:
[snip]
>
> > Apr 17 17:36:22 test ntpdate[709]: Can't find host 2.debian.pool.ntp.org:
> > Name or service not known (-2)
> > Apr 17 17:36:22 test ntpdate[709]: no servers can be used, exiting
> > Apr 17 17:36:45 test ntpdate[1148]: adjust time server 6
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 17 apr 14, 11:15:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
Yeah BUT ;(
I get NO errors or warnings when apt-get uses the physical DVDs from which
the loop mounted iso's were created.
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom:
APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
Changing that "true
I wrote:
> If you don't want messages you send to go through Gmail don't send
> them there.
Slavko writes:
> Are you participating on the Googles's profit?
No. So what?
BTW I am subscribed to the list. No need to cc me.
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Elmwood, WI USA
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On 2014-04-18, Martin Read wrote:
>>
>> I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood
>> celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this.
>
> I assume they use an electric beard trimmer or hair clippers with the
> guard removed.
>
The instructions say never to remove the gu
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:38:31 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
Hello Lisi,
>> All the male grooming companies sell beard trimmers that will do
>> that.
>I never knew that! Thank you Brad for elucidating.
Well, being a MacBook fanboy(1) that's walked a few red carpets(2) in my
time, I'd *have* to know
Hi,
After a system upgrade, the GTK3 file chooser dialog has begun to use a
different icon theme for the side panel, which consists of ugly
black-and-white icons.
GTK2 file chooser:
http://s22.postimg.org/qoc55r11t/gtk2_fc.png
GTK3 file chooser:
http://s23.postimg.org/a0g3cj63v/gtk3_fc.png
I'm
Hi,
Hope I didn't open a can of worms here.
On 17/04/14 10:13, Scott Ferguson wrote:
The "presumption" was made that the majority of readers, including the
OP, would have the basic intelligence necessary to differentiate between
the instructions to use "the latest java package" and an *example*
On 18/04/14 12:33 AM, Corey Blair wrote:
I got a new laptop without a CD/DVD drive and am trying to install off
a USB image and either dual boot my pre-installed windows 8.1 or just
wipe and use strictly Debian. I get all the way to the point of
installing GRUB and it fails. I've read that th
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 12:41 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote:
> Or go fully proprietary and join the masses giving up a
> bit of security and control?
Then you might get rid of the trouble you experience now, but you likely
will run into hundreds of other issues. I prefer a few issues for free
as in beer, t
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:52 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> Joel Rees writes:
> > If I tried to get my technical mailing lists on the mail account my
> > provider gives me, it'd overflow at least once a week, and I'd lose
> > valuable non-list mail.
>
> Free advertising supported services are not the o
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > Or Apple, sacrifices your
> > security by wordsmithing. According to them, they don't get malware,
> their
> > computers just have "unwanted programs."
>
> Not ever being an Apple user, I hadn't heard that before. When I read
> your pos
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:02 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Richard Owlett
>> mailto:rowl...@cloud85.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>> [SNIP]
>>
>> [...]
>> root@debian:/home/richard# apt-get install pforth
>
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:44:54 -0500 John Hasler
napísal:
> If you don't want
> messages you send to go through Gmail don't send them there.
Are you participating on the Googles's profit?
--
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http://slavino.sk
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:39:35AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 17 apr 14, 11:15:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> > Yeah BUT ;(
> > I get NO errors or warnings when apt-get uses the physical DVDs from which
> > the loop mounted iso's were created.
>
> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom:
>
Joel Rees writes:
> If I tried to get my technical mailing lists on the mail account my
> provider gives me, it'd overflow at least once a week, and I'd lose
> valuable non-list mail.
Free advertising supported services are not the only alternative to your
ISP. I get my mail via Newsguy. I pay t
On Fri 18 Apr 2014 at 12:41:25 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote:
> If Debian stable can't provide a reliable desktop long term, then I appear
> to have reached the end of the Linux line. What to do? Cross my fingers and
> hope in the benevolence of Mr Shuttleworth's Ubuntu LTS to keep the upstream
> from ca
Karl E. Jorgensen writes:
> Obviously, they had no need to save the actual *traffic*, merely the
> access point MAC address, signal strength and streetview car location
> to do this.
In any case, the traffic was broadcast into public space.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
--
Slavko writes:
> I wrote about processing emails by google, not about processing of
> the public archive(s). Or you hope, that disabling archive will stop
> google to processing them??? This ML i used as example only.
People who receive their email via Gmail choose to do so. Those who
send messag
On Friday 18 April 2014 12:59:02 Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:11:27 + (UTC)
> Curt wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
> >On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days
> >> growth.
> >
> >I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys
On Friday 18 April 2014 12:41:25 wobbly-hs wrote:
> I can invest time in set-up if I
> can then leave things to keep working. But the tinkerers keep
> breaking things! If Debian stable can't provide a reliable desktop
> long term,
I find that Debian Stable does provide a reliable desktop long term
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:41 PM, wobbly-hs wrote:
> If Debian stable can't provide a reliable desktop long term, then I appear
> to have reached the end of the Linux line. What to do?
People who want more stability than Debian offers usually go to Red
Hat. Or at least, that's what people usually
Slavko writes:
> How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to the
> google knowledge?
I don't care one way or the other. The list is public. You are aware
that it is archived and that the archive is indexed by the search
engines? It is actually *intended* that everyone incl
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:24:20 +1000 Chris Angelico
> napísal:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Slavko wrote:
> > > How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to
> > > the google knowledge? By the distributing t
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 08:11:27 + (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote:
>> * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth.
>I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood
>celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this.
R
On 18/04/14 09:11, Curt wrote:
On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote:
* I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth.
I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood
celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this.
I assume they use an electric beard tri
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:26:55 +020, Ralf Mardorf wrote
>Don't rely on the policy of a distro, DIY sometimes will fix issues
>faster
My reason for using Debian stable is because I have spent too much time in the
past fixing things myself / getting help etc. I've used Fedora for many
years, then U
Hi
This thread is going terribly off-topic, but I could not resist...
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 07:45:38PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> Today, not only governments but private companies vacuum up every bit
> of data they can find, presumably just because they can. There is
> almost certainly a certain amoun
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Slavko wrote:
> I wrote about processing emails by google, not about processing of
> the public archive(s). Or you hope, that disabling archive will stop
> google to processing them??? This ML i used as example only.
>
> But you can advocate the google's practices
On Fri 18 Apr 2014 at 10:52:14 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote:
> Can anyone clarify the policy for when upstream fixes completed in testing
> come down to stable.
From
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
Even stable is updated once in a while. Those updates are called
"Point Rele
On Fri, 2014-04-18 at 10:52 +0100, wobbly-hs wrote:
> Bug#656640 shows a fix has been made but not moved downstream to
> stable.
Debian isn't my favorite distro, I prefer another one that does follow
(software developers) upstream. However, a distro like Debian and the
distro I more often use, hav
[message re posted because previous attempt was without word wrapping - sorry!]
Hi
Can anyone clarify the policy for when upstream fixes completed in testing
come down to stable.
I migrated from Debian 6 to 7 earlier in 2014 once the latest stable distro
had been out quite some time. It was a su
Hi
Can anyone clarify the policy for when upstream fixes completed in testing come
down to stable.
I migrated from Debian 6 to 7 earlier in 2014 once the latest stable distro had
been out quite some time. It was a surprise to find that printing did not
work. Bug#656640 shows a fix has been ma
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:24:20 +1000 Chris Angelico
napísal:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Slavko wrote:
> > How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to
> > the google knowledge? By the distributing this list to gmail
> > addresses too...
>
> I do. It means that
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Slavko wrote:
> How many members of this list (for example) want to contribute to the
> google knowledge? By the distributing this list to gmail addresses
> too...
I do. It means that a Google search for any of the topics discussed
here will show up results. You d
Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:17:28 -0500 John Hasler
napísal:
> > Take for example current controversies over services
> > like Amazon and Google and the "filter bubble": Do you consider it
> > harmful for them to tailor your experience to their estimate of
> > what you
>
> They are not given
Bonno Bloksma wrote:
[...]
> But that is funy because the checkrestart command that I issued right after
> found several services that needed restarting. But maybe they did not need a
> restart just for hartbleed?
Correct. The checking of services was done as an exception due to the severity
of t
Hi Rafael,
>> How is it possible that one system will not see the update until last
>> night when I have been running the update cycle each night and all my
>> systems use the same uplink?
>
> >From the log:
>
>> Preparing to replace libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 (using
>> .../libssl1.0.0_1.
On Jo, 17 apr 14, 11:15:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> Yeah BUT ;(
> I get NO errors or warnings when apt-get uses the physical DVDs from which
> the loop mounted iso's were created.
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom:
APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
Kind regards,
Andrei
--
http://wiki.de
Hi,
Bonno Bloksma wrote:
[...]
> How is it possible that one system will not see the update until last night
> when I have been running the update cycle each night and all my systems use
> the same uplink?
>From the log:
> Preparing to replace libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 (using
> .../libs
On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> * I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth.
I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood
celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this.
(Maybe they'll come out with an IRazor so I can achieve a fashionable
st
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