php5-odbc broken since 5.4.34-0+deb7u1

2014-11-04 Thread Frédéric Marchal
Hello, Since I upgraded php5 in Wheezy to version 5.4.34-0+deb7u1, I get an error when running odbc_exec() on a sybase ADS odbc driver. I get this error: PHP Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 524288) (tried to allocate 14615584999105259009 bytes) in SybaseClass.php on line 127 The same s

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 21.13:36 Jerry Stuckle a écrit : > Yes, but you seem to want to stifle any discussion of a possible fork. Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user, please re-read the list topic: >From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ : > Community assistance

Re: Systemd and Unix

2014-11-04 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 11/04/2014 08:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a problem with sysvinit on one machine running Wheezy.. Would you mind telling us what the problem is? -- Jimmy Johnson Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubs

Re: umask has no man page?

2014-11-04 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 10:38:40AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > My apologies, > your question(s?) were unclear and obfuscated with false > assertions. > > Hopefully a "beginner" would start at the start, i.e.:- > help help > info info > man man So you've never met a beginner and fo

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 05/11/14 14:00, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 05/11/14 12:28, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced > that those of us who

Re: Systemd and Unix

2014-11-04 Thread Gary Dale
On 04/11/14 08:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Santiago Vila wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:38:00PM -0400, David Kline wrote: I have heard a lot of talk about how systemd deviates from the unix philosophy. What is the unix philosophy, how does debian follow it, and why does systemd break it? I

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 05/11/14 12:28, Miles Fidelman wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit : Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced that those of us who deploy and manage servers would really benefit from a fork tha

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 05/11/14 12:28, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: >> Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit : >>> Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced that those >>> of us who deploy and manage servers would really benefit from a fork >>> that retains

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/4/2014 6:08 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:26:40 -0500, > Miles Fidelman a écrit : > >> Laurent Bigonville wrote: >>> Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:57:20 -0500, >>> Jerry Stuckle a écrit : >>> On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 2

Re: Systemd and Unix

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Santiago Vila wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:38:00PM -0400, David Kline wrote: I have heard a lot of talk about how systemd deviates from the unix philosophy. What is the unix philosophy, how does debian follow it, and why does systemd break it? I suspect that people do not want yet another

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Jyri J. Virkki
Once upon a time Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind or change > a policy that has been decided by the project (the CTTE has been > delegated by the project the power to take such decisions) is bad. If The vote has barely started so nothing ha

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2014 04 Nov 16:15 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote: And beyond that, the level of interest in a fork might, hopefully, provide some useful feedback into the Debian decision making process. (And in turn, the response to such feedback, or lack thereof, might further inform in

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:26:40 -0500, Miles Fidelman a écrit : Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:57:20 -0500, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, Peter Nieman a écrit : On 04/

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit : Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced that those of us who deploy and manage servers would really benefit from a fork that retains the "flavor" and philosophy of pre-systemd (and maybe p

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 04 Nov 16:15 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote: > And beyond that, the level of interest in a fork might, hopefully, provide > some useful feedback into the Debian decision making process. (And in turn, > the response to such feedback, or lack thereof, might further inform > interest in a fork

Re: proofing searchable pdf files

2014-11-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/11/14 12:17, Gary Roach wrote: > On 11/01/2014 06:35 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 31/10/14 11:47, Gary Roach wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Problem: I am working on an archiving project and wish to archive >>> documents to searchable pdf files but can't seem to figure out how to >>> proof read

Re: umask has no man page?

2014-11-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 03/11/14 13:56, Alexis wrote: > > Iain M Conochie writes: > >> However: >> >> $: which umask >> $: >> >> So umask is _not_ a program (in the sense that there is no binary >> called umask on the system) > > zsh, however, is more helpful: > > $ which umask > umask: shell built-in command BAS

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 02/11/14 14:56, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Marty wrote: >> On 11/01/2014 10:00 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 02/11/14 12:19, Frank McCormick wrote: On 11/01/2014 08:58 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > For the purpose of education not to fan silly semantic pedantics. > > > On 02/1

Re: umask has no man page?

2014-11-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 02/11/14 16:58, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, 2014-11-02 at 14:17 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> Succinct! >> >> man pam_umask? > > That is not a solution to the original question I asked, My apologies, your question(s?) were unclear and obfuscated with false assertions. Hopefully

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:26:40 -0500, Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:57:20 -0500, > > Jerry Stuckle a écrit : > > > >> On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > >>> Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, > >>> Peter Nieman a écrit : > >>> > >>

Re: Systemd and Unix

2014-11-04 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:38:00PM -0400, David Kline wrote: > I have heard a lot of talk about how systemd deviates from the unix > philosophy. What is the unix philosophy, how does debian follow it, > and why does systemd break it? I suspect that people do not want yet another thread about syste

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced that those > of us who deploy and manage servers would really benefit from a fork > that retains the "flavor" and philosophy of pre-systemd (and maybe > pre-udev) Debian. Just.

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:57:20 -0500, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, Peter Nieman a écrit : On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Using the threat of forking to make people change t

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, Peter Nieman a écrit : On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind I didn't threaten anybody. do not send 100 mails to ML'

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:57:20 -0500, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : > On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, > > Peter Nieman a écrit : > > > >> On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > >>> Using the threat of forking to make people change their mi

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, > Peter Nieman a écrit : > >> On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: >>> Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind >> >> I didn't threaten anybody. >> >>> do not send 100 mails to ML's >

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, Peter Nieman a écrit : > On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind > > I didn't threaten anybody. > > > do not send 100 mails to ML's > > I didn't. I don't even know what "ML's" are. That w

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: Jerry Stuckle: But just the fact there are people who consider systemd to be > problematic enough to consider forking Debian should not be ignored. Denis Roio already has dyne:bolic. * http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/run-scripts-and

Re: installation disclaimer

2014-11-04 Thread Diogene Laerce
On 11/03/2014 10:05 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 02 nov 14, 11:35:00, Diogene Laerce wrote: >> I didn't find any related NEWS.Debian execpt the NEWS.Debian.gz found >> in /usr/share/doc/apt/NEWS.Debian.gz : is it what you're talking about ? > Not in particular. apt-listchanges will hooks int

Re: Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Jerry Stuckle: But just the fact there are people who consider systemd to be > problematic enough to consider forking Debian should not be ignored. Denis Roio already has dyne:bolic. * http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/run-scripts-and-service-units-side-by-side.html

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Peter Nieman
On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind I didn't threaten anybody. do not send 100 mails to ML's I didn't. I don't even know what "ML's" are. Now, my impression is that some people advocating things like Gnome and systemd h

Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-04 Thread Gary Dale
On 03/11/14 11:20 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I've been using lightdm, and it more or less works. About a decade ago, on another ancient Linux, I could get multiple desktops, selected by ctl-alt-f7 through f12. Is there some way to set up something like that with lightdm? Just being able to dynami

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
lee wrote: John Hasler writes: do so and quit whining about how the DDs choose to expend their own time and resources. They *are* interested in what users want and need. Where does this interest show? For that matter, where does any interest in upstream show either - beyond vacuous stat

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread lee
John Hasler writes: > do so and quit whining about how the DDs choose to expend their own time > and resources. They *are* interested in what users want and need. Where does this interest show? -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally

Re: /bin/perl vs. /usr/bin/perl

2014-11-04 Thread lee
Martin Read writes: > On 01/11/14 14:52, lee wrote: >> what's the proposed Debian way to deal with a different location of the >> 'perl' executable? > > #! /usr/bin/env perl > >> Fedora has /bin/perl, Debian has /usr/bin/perl. Since I still have >> Fedora on the desktop and Debian on the VMs, I

Re: Debian and upstream choices

2014-11-04 Thread lee
Chris Bannister writes: >> > man bends down and starts helping him look. After a while of futile >> > searching the man says, hmmm, this isn't getting us anywhere; where did >> > you lose it. The man replies, Further on up the road, but the light's >> > better here." >> > >> > There's not much de

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 15:22:32 +0100, Peter Nieman a écrit : > On 04/11/14 03:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > On 11/3/2014 8:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > > > >> I suppose it may be polemic to assert that forking debian and > >> setting up a new community would be labor-intensive, fractious, > >> divisiv

Re: APT: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian...

2014-11-04 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:14:04 +0100 Marko Ranđelović wrote: > I use Wheezy and I use DVD 1 in APT and http as well. DVD *is* working, but > whenever I do 'apt-get update', I get and error: > > Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.7.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 > 20141018-13:06] wheezy Rele

Re: APT: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian...

2014-11-04 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:49:47 + Darac Marjal wrote: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 09:14:04AM +0100, Marko Ranđelović wrote: > > I use Wheezy and I use DVD 1 in APT and http as well. DVD *is* working, but > > whenever I do 'apt-get update', I get and error: > > > > Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread John Hasler
latin...@vcn.bc.ca writes: > Remember that Debian is not of the actual DDs or DMs. Debian is an organization of around 1000 DDs and DMs. If you are not one of them you are not part of Debian. However, the OS published by the Debian organization (also called Debian) is Free Software so you are fr

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread latincom
On Tuesday 04 November 2014 14:22:32 Peter Nieman wrote: > And to the people who have no problem with the way things are going > right now I would say: there's a perfect OS for you already, and it's > called Microsoft Windows 7. And for you lot there is Linux From Scratch. Lisi The question is:

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:29:52 +, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard a écrit : > Laurent Bigonville: > > The systemd umbrella project is made of 10+ different executables > > that have all a specific scope (systemd PID1 used to manage the > > life cycles of the daemons, systemd-logind manage the user

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 04 November 2014 14:22:32 Peter Nieman wrote: > And to the people who have no problem with the way things are going > right now I would say: there's a perfect OS for you already, and it's > called Microsoft Windows 7. And for you lot there is Linux From Scratch. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Miles Fidelman
Peter Nieman wrote: On 04/11/14 03:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/3/2014 8:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote: I suppose it may be polemic to assert that forking debian and setting up a new community would be labor-intensive, fractious, divisive, and general not a wise use of precious free/libre/open com

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-04 Thread Peter Nieman
On 04/11/14 03:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/3/2014 8:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote: I suppose it may be polemic to assert that forking debian and setting up a new community would be labor-intensive, fractious, divisive, and general not a wise use of precious free/libre/open community resources, in s

Re: terminal spreadsheet - sc fork

2014-11-04 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2014 23:23, Andrés Martinelli a écrit : Hello there!! I am working on a terminal spreadsheet based on "sc", but with some adds like undo/redo.. you can find it here: https://github.com/andmarti1424/scim [1] Any new ideas and/or contribution is always welcome! Thanks! Sounds like

Re: Kernel crash 3.17.2 unable to use kvm

2014-11-04 Thread Florent Peterschmitt
Le 03/11/2014 17:03, Bhasker C V a écrit : > Hi, > > I tried to compile the latest kernel 3.17.2 and when loading > kvm_intel, the kernel crashes (not catastrophically but as below) and > kvm_intel never works. > The old kernel 3.14.x works fine but I dont want to use an older > kernel as a solut

Re: APT: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian...

2014-11-04 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 09:14:04AM +0100, Marko Ranđelović wrote: > I use Wheezy and I use DVD 1 in APT and http as well. DVD *is* working, but > whenever I do 'apt-get update', I get and error: > > Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.7.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 > 20141018-13:06] wheez

Re: Won't boot after fresh install.

2014-11-04 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 07:26:32PM -0500, Ryan Larrowe wrote: > I have just installed the b2 release of Debian testing. I have a uefi > motherboard. I made a 200MB partition for the efi boot. I did not set a > mount point for it. I get an error from grub that says: > error: unknown filesystem

Re: /sys readonly with backports kernel 3.16

2014-11-04 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:34:05 +0100 Dennis Birkholz wrote: > My /etc/fstab-file does not contain an entry for /sys at all. > > Mounts says: > sysfs on /sys type sysfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) > > If I unmount /sys and mount it new with: > mount -t sysfs -o rw,relatime,noexec,nodev

Re: Need URGENT help : how to connect cable modem

2014-11-04 Thread Long Wind
Thank berenger.mo...@neutralite.org !!! I have solved the problem on my own (All I need to do is install a few Debian packages) On 11/4/14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > > Please, read this. > http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > You might then have more replies, an

Re: umask has no man page?

2014-11-04 Thread berenger . morel
Le 03.11.2014 04:30, Joe Pfeiffer a écrit : Carl Fink writes: When I wanted the options for umask, I typed 'man umask' and got the man page for it as a C header diretive? (I'm not a C programmer, but it seemed to be for C header files and came from section 2.) This is darn confusing for a

Re: Need URGENT help : how to connect cable modem

2014-11-04 Thread berenger . morel
Le 04.11.2014 07:11, Long Wind a écrit : the ISP connect me using cable modem Now in Windows XP I need to enter user/password to connect the connection is PPPoE how to do that in Linux Thanks!!! Please, read this. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You might then have more r

Re: Camera SD card mounting problems (defined by systemd)

2014-11-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 nov 14, 22:20:51, Charles Kroeger wrote: > > Thanks Eric, you can learn a lot of useful stuff on this list if you just keep > poking it. Say something wrong get a clarification. That's good. https://xkcd.com/386/ Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtop

Re: Browser font size selection for printer -- SOLVED, but I'd llike to understand.

2014-11-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 03:02:03 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I cannot get chrome or chromium (or Iceweaasel either) to print a web > page in a twelve-point font on my laser printer. It insists on using a > font that's about twice the size. Well, let me apologize for even posting that question. I g