Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

Catherine Gramze schreef op 30-12-2016 4:32: ​Ad hominem attacks now, Xen, since you cannot refute the simple fact that man pages were designed to be a reference, not a tutorial?​ If the topic is attitudes, then those belong to people don't they? You'll need examples, won't you? You defend

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

Lisi Reisz schreef op 30-12-2016 3:31: On Friday 30 December 2016 01:37:53 Xen wrote: Re Lisi: You clearly find wittering on yourself more fun than actually reading what other people have written. You have actually quoted my precise words, then accused me in your paraphrase of having said

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

rhkra...@gmail.com schreef op 30-12-2016 3:23: My suggestion is you spend less time discussing it, and get started on writing a few bman pages... So your suggestion is to start using a system that doesn't exist and instead of having discussion about how this system should be designed, you

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 04:43:09PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 30/12/2016 à 16:25, John Naggets a écrit : > > >And here would be the output of apt-cache policy: > > > >Package files: > > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > release a=now > > 500 > >

Re: Stretch and WiFi ALMOST working

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 04:46:22PM +, Brian wrote: > On Wed 28 Dec 2016 at 19:54:34 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > However, I now discover that Avahi is not doing its thing properly any > > more, and other machines on my network cannot see this machine by name. > > Its IP address right

Re: Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:14:06 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: >I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died to a >fan failure. >I've installed a minimal Jessie including what installer >considers standard

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[OT] Antikythera mechanism [was Re: Do have programs have poor documentation?]

Talk about a thread going South! (Perhaps we can get back to bashing systemd?) On 12/30/16 7:07 PM, deloptes wrote: In what way is the Antikythera mechanism not a computer? And where did your 400 years come from? I understand what you mean, but it was in the last 400y that this machine

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Saturday 31 December 2016 00:07:34 deloptes wrote: > > If he is not employed, as most open source developers are not, he can't > > be fired.  People who are doing things as a hobby and because they enjoy > > them, do the bits they enjoy.  Which is why so much wonderful open source > > software

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

Lisi Reisz wrote: > That is definitely debatable. > > https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ancient+greek+computer=ancient+greek+computer=chrome..69i57.6858j0j7=chrome=UTF-8 > > In what way is the Antikythera mechanism not a computer?  And where did > your 400 years come from? >

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Friday 30 December 2016 19:46:59 deloptes wrote: > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Well, just to add another viewpoint (and because it was (is?) a sore > > point with me): > > > > * I used to program on paper (and, really, still do on those rare > > occasions)--I think out what I plan to do, even

how to interpret lsusb output

I'm trying to figure out something about the USB ports on a Debian/Jesse AMD64 server. There are two USB 3.0 ports on the back - at least that's how the manufacturer (Asrock) labels them. When I do a simple lsusb, I get: # lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > Reading the RedHat and Debian doc referred to, "User Private Groups" seems > to be another name for setting the umask and the setgid bit in a directory > intended for shared work. Did I miss something or is that all it is? This is the key to Richards problem - Richard

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Well, just to add another viewpoint (and because it was (is?) a sore point > with me): > > * I used to program on paper (and, really, still do on those rare > occasions)--I think out what I plan to do, even to the level of code or > pseudocode--then I go to a machine

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On 31/12/16 06:52, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: This is the first time I've heard of this "solution" named "User Private Groups". Reading the RedHat and Debian doc referred to, "User Private Groups" seems to be another name for setting the umask and the setgid bit in a directory intended for shared

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

What do you mean by "unlimited access"? That is normally a permission issue (unless this is something like VFAT). --| John L. Ries | Salford Systems | Phone: (619)543-8880 x107 | or (435)867-8885 | --| On Friday

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

Actually, I've never really understood the labeling business (another case of exemplary documentation), so I use the actual device names unless the OS labels them and generates the fstab entries for me. --| John L. Ries | Salford Systems | Phone:

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

This is the first time I've heard of this "solution" named "User Private Groups". Reading the RedHat and Debian doc referred to, "User Private Groups" seems to be another name for setting the umask and the setgid bit in a directory intended for shared work. Did I miss something or is that all it

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 11:32:05AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I see *NO DIFFERENCE* between that and my previously stated goal. If you want classic Unix permissions on a file system on a fixed partition on a non-removable device, then you simply put the device into /etc/fstab with DEFAULT

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On 12/30/2016 10:58 AM, deloptes wrote: Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:13:26AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: "We went over this already." I don't know about other tallies, but I show ~100 posts. Started reviewing them. Found a chain of links leading me to

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

Lisi Reisz wrote: > Try reading what I have actually said, whilst making some attempt to > understand it, instead of just contradicting it.  You do enjoy > contradicting people, don't you? > Hah, Lisi I just got the same impression from Xen. > I am glad to hear that the education system in

Trouble shooting a "thinkfan" problem on a Lenovo T430 Thinkpad

I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died to a fan failure. I've installed a minimal Jessie including what installer considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE. I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". An error message said "thinkfan post installation

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:13:26AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: >> "We went over this already." >> >> I don't know about other tallies, but I show ~100 posts. >> Started reviewing them. Found a chain of links leading me to >> https://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups .

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 02:24:28PM -, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Anyway, isn't this where the differences between say "man something" and >> "man 5 something" come into play? Or rather, the implication that >> section 1 (or whatever) may only hold a basic overview, and then

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:13:26AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > "We went over this already." > > I don't know about other tallies, but I show ~100 posts. > Started reviewing them. Found a chain of links leading me to > https://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups . I've just started > reading

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

Dan Purger writes: > Probably should be 'manng' (for 'next generation'), or perhaps mand (to > fit in with systemd) ;) That's called "info". > Anyway, isn't this where the differences between say "man something" > and "man 5 something" come into play? Or rather, the implication that > section 1

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On 12/30/2016 7:09 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 05:17:21AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: /dev/sda7 /media/sda7 ext2users,rw 0 0 /dev/sda8 /media/sda8 ext2users,rw 0 0 In this case I am dealing with the only hard drive

Re: Plus de wifi suite mise à jour

Salut, Si tu n'as plus ton gestionnaire de connexions réseau, il faut bien gérer ton réseau quelque part. As-tu tenté une config de tes interfaces via /etc/network/interfaces le temps de récupérer wicd, network-manager ou autre gestionnaire ? Un peu de doc pour voir comment ça se passe :

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

Le 30/12/2016 à 16:25, John Naggets a écrit : I have now additional source in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gluster.list which is the following: deb http://download.gluster.org/pub/gluster/glusterfs/3.7/3.7.16/Debian/jessie/apt jessie main Although the URL is http, I checked that the site

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

Le 30/12/2016 à 16:16, Greg Wooledge a écrit : On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 04:11:43PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 30/12/2016 à 15:46, Lisi Reisz a écrit : Is ca-certificates perhaps in contrib or non-free? No. AFAIK, packages in main cannot depend on packages in contrib or non-free.

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

I have now additional source in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gluster.list which is the following: deb http://download.gluster.org/pub/gluster/glusterfs/3.7/3.7.16/Debian/jessie/apt jessie main And here would be the output of apt-cache policy: Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 04:11:43PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 30/12/2016 à 15:46, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > > >Is ca-certificates perhaps in contrib or non-free? > > No. AFAIK, packages in main cannot depend on packages in contrib or > non-free. Also, the final error message in the

Freeradius

Buenos Dias, le escribo para ver si alguno tiene trabajando freeradius + ldap ya al fin logre ponerlo a trabajar ya ve los usuarios perfecto y se conectan bien, ahora lo que necesito es saber como anclar los usuarios contra sus mac, user+mac, si alguien tiene como se hacer se los agradecere

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

Le 30/12/2016 à 15:46, Lisi Reisz a écrit : Is ca-certificates perhaps in contrib or non-free? No. AFAIK, packages in main cannot depend on packages in contrib or non-free.

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Friday, December 30, 2016 09:46:01 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, December 30, 2016 09:24:28 AM Dan Purgert wrote: > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > My suggestion is you spend less time discussing it, and get started on > > > writing a few bman pages... > > > > Probably should be

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Friday 30 December 2016 14:46:01 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, December 30, 2016 09:24:28 AM Dan Purgert wrote: > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > My suggestion is you spend less time discussing it, and get started on > > > writing a few bman pages... > > > > Probably should be

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Friday, December 30, 2016 09:24:28 AM Dan Purgert wrote: > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > My suggestion is you spend less time discussing it, and get started on > > writing a few bman pages... > > Probably should be 'manng' (for 'next generation'), or perhaps mand (to > fit in with systemd) ;)

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

On Friday 30 December 2016 13:45:49 Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 30/12/2016 à 14:19, John Naggets a écrit : > > Do you have an idea which line could be missing? Here is the content > > of my /etc/apt/sources.list file: > > > > deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian jessie main > > deb-src

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Friday, December 30, 2016 06:40:31 AM Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 December 2016 01:37:53 Xen wrote: > > You do realize that coding implies hammering on a keyboard too, right? > > No, I do not realise that coding *implies* hammering on a keyboard. Coding > the lazy modern way can be done

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

Richard Owlett wrote: > I never used a pin board, but as a junior engineer I helped > create the wire lists to take input (an open/closed contact) from > 1000+ points in power plants and associated distribution system > for presentation in a control room on a Visual Annunciator. > > How the

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 02:24:28PM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Anyway, isn't this where the differences between say "man something" and > "man 5 something" come into play? Or rather, the implication that > section 1 (or whatever) may only hold a basic overview, and then section > 5 (or whatever)

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > My suggestion is you spend less time discussing it, and get started on > writing a few bman pages... Probably should be 'manng' (for 'next generation'), or perhaps mand (to fit in with systemd) ;) Anyway, isn't this where the differences between say "man something"

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

Le 30/12/2016 à 14:19, John Naggets a écrit : Do you have an idea which line could be missing? Here is the content of my /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian jessie main deb-src http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/

Re: Sub interface not working in Debian 8

Yes the assumption was correct, Thanks mate. thank you all for your advices. i really appreciate On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > Yes the assumption was correct, Thanks mate. thank you all for your > advices. i really appreciate > > On Wed, Dec

Re: not possible to install apt-transport-https package on jessie

Do you have an idea which line could be missing? Here is the content of my /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian jessie main deb-src http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 05:17:21AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>>/dev/sda7 /media/sda7 ext2users,rw 0 0 > >>>/dev/sda8 /media/sda8 ext2users,rw 0 0 > In this case I am dealing with the only hard drive existing > internal to the laptop. Then

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On 12/30/2016 5:40 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 30 December 2016 01:37:53 Xen wrote: You do realize that coding implies hammering on a keyboard too, right? No, I do not realise that coding *implies* hammering on a keyboard. Coding the lazy modern way can be done via a keyboard. But

Re: Do have programs have poor documentation? (was ... Re: Why? -- "A Modest Proposal")

On Friday 30 December 2016 01:37:53 Xen wrote: > You do realize that coding implies hammering on a keyboard too, right? No, I do not realise that coding *implies* hammering on a keyboard. Coding the lazy modern way can be done via a keyboard. But coding itself most emphatically does not imply

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On 12/29/2016 3:14 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2016-12-29 at 15:59, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 29/12/2016 à 16:53, Richard Owlett a écrit : I added these two lines to /etc/fstab: /dev/sda7 /media/sda7 ext2users,rw 0 0 /dev/sda8 /media/sda8 ext2users,rw

Re: Problem adding lines to /etc/fstab

On 12/29/2016 2:59 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 29/12/2016 à 16:53, Richard Owlett a écrit : I added these two lines to /etc/fstab: /dev/sda7 /media/sda7 ext2users,rw 0 0 /dev/sda8 /media/sda8 ext2users,rw 0 0 Don't do that. Really. 1) Don't

Plus de wifi suite mise à jour

Bonjour Je suis en Stretch avec Xfce J'ai fait une mise à jour hier et ce matin au redémarrage plus de connexion wifi (ni filaire d'ailleurs) Comme gestionnaire de connexion j'avais connman et il semble avoir disparu des dépôts. J'avais mis connman parce que j'avais des soucis avec wicd.