Re: TTL expired in transit to qemu virtual machine.

2017-03-17 Thread Igor Cicimov
Hi Mimiko, On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Mimiko wrote: > Hello. > > I've setup qemu/kvm and installed several virtual machines. Access and > ping to some virtuals are ok, but one have a stable problem not receiving > correctly packets. First, this is the environment: > > >uname -a > Linux 3.2

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-17 Thread David Christensen
On 03/17/2017 03:31 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: David Christensen wrote: On 03/13/2017 05:38 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Currently, the system here is - every PC has a cronjob backing up $HOME to a central "server" (read - repurposed PC with decent WD drives), just an rsync script that runs daily

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

2017-03-17 Thread David Wright
On Fri 17 Mar 2017 at 15:29:58 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/17/2017 11:15 AM, songbird wrote: > >Richard Owlett wrote: > >>As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. > >>Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh > >>install to a different partition. > >>It

Re: programmatically determining the desktop environment of a system

2017-03-17 Thread Dan Hitt
Thanks Dominik, Steve, and Tomas for your mail. For reference, Steve Litt responded to me privately to consider first running 'ps axjf' by hand, in which case the environment should be obvious, presumably doing this in a few different environments, and then attempting to write some parsing code wh

Re: Netinstall of Debian 8 on DELL laptop fails

2017-03-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 March 2017 17:55:12 Klaus Jantzen wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to net-install Debian 8.7. (Graphical expert install) > > After loading a couple of modules for the installation of the base > system the installer claims that > > beginning with 'groff-base' all modules are corrupted an

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

2017-03-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/17/2017 03:57 PM, Brian wrote: On Fri 17 Mar 2017 at 15:29:58 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/17/2017 11:15 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh install to a diff

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

2017-03-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Mar 2017 at 15:29:58 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/17/2017 11:15 AM, songbird wrote: > >Richard Owlett wrote: > >>As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. > >>Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh > >>install to a different partition. > >>It i

Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not

2017-03-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Mar 2017 at 17:02:04 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 16 March 2017 20:08:16 Brian wrote: > > and we are told > > it is not the purpose of this list to answer practical problems by > > by guiding people to it. :) > > Oh, come Brian. We are also told that it is not the purpose of

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

2017-03-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/17/2017 11:15 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh install to a different partition. It is annoying to keep re-scanning a set of 13 DVDs. Where is the information store

Re: tor -- way OT

2017-03-17 Thread Reco
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:48:02 +0200 Teemu Likonen wrote: > Reco [2017-03-17 22:05:45+03] wrote: > > > Sure. Deinstall/purge current Tor and privoxy. Install Debian's > > version of Tor. It should start itself. Point your Firefox to SOCKS5 > > proxy located at localhost port 9050. That all you (ev

Re: tor -- way OT

2017-03-17 Thread Teemu Likonen
Reco [2017-03-17 22:05:45+03] wrote: > Sure. Deinstall/purge current Tor and privoxy. Install Debian's > version of Tor. It should start itself. Point your Firefox to SOCKS5 > proxy located at localhost port 9050. That all you (ever) need, > judging from your timezone. > > Do not mix HTTP proxy in

Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround?

2017-03-17 Thread davidson
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, david...@freevolt.org wrote: In case OP decides to install emacs, given his previously expressed appreciation of fine documentation, I recommend installing also (for the chosen version NN of emacs) the emacsNN-common-non-dfsg package from the non-free repository. This is th

Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround?

2017-03-17 Thread davidson
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: I require two things: 1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string. 2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side* Emacs. In case OP decides to install emacs, given his previously expressed apprecia

Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not

2017-03-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Mar 2017 at 10:46:57 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 16 Mar 2017 at 20:08:16 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > There was never had any reason to disagree with the analysis. The > > queries starting this subthread > > > > > Is it just me, or are the "unofficial" images hard to get to?

Re: tor -- way OT

2017-03-17 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:28:33 -0600 Glenn English wrote: > I'm trying to use the Tor Browser. They don't seem to have any support > (beyond an FAQ) on their site, so I'm asking here. > > Jessie and XFCE on a Supermicro workstation connected through a T1. > > I installed Tor a few da

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-17 Thread Glenn English
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > David Christensen wrote: >> On 03/13/2017 05:38 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: >>> Currently, the system here is >>> >>> - every PC has a cronjob backing up $HOME to a central "server" (read - >>>repurposed PC with decent WD drives), just an rsync

tor -- way OT

2017-03-17 Thread Glenn English
I'm trying to use the Tor Browser. They don't seem to have any support (beyond an FAQ) on their site, so I'm asking here. Jessie and XFCE on a Supermicro workstation connected through a T1. I installed Tor a few days ago and it was working fine -- Gmail said it was having authentication problems

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 March 2017 17:24:53 Catherine Gramze wrote: > You used Libranet, too? Are you still in touch with Tal? That was my > favorite distro EVER. The only real help I ever got was in the Libranet > beta testing group, for that last release that never made it because John > was so ill. I stil

Netinstall of Debian 8 on DELL laptop fails

2017-03-17 Thread Klaus Jantzen
Hello, I am trying to net-install Debian 8.7. (Graphical expert install) After loading a couple of modules for the installation of the base system the installer claims that beginning with 'groff-base' all modules are corrupted and cannot be loaded. This is wrong as I used the same CD to inst

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Joe
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:18:57 -0400 Catherine Gramze wrote: > > On Mar 17, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Dowland > > wrote: > > > > That would presume that the majority of users of the installer > > wanted to install a desktop environment. This is not necessarily > > true even for beginners, on sa

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Catherine Gramze
Sent from my iPad > On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Not, it isn't. Debian is for experts, or would-be experts, or those who will > never be experts but like to pretend. > I strongly disagree. The point of a genuinely free and open operating system is accessibility at a

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Joe
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:57:19 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 March 2017 16:45:31 Catherine Gramze wrote: > > It is more important to not intimidate the beginner. > > Not, it isn't. Debian is for experts, or would-be experts, or those > who will never be experts but like to pretend. >

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Catherine Gramze
Sent from my iPad > On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > There are plenty of dumbed down Debian derivatives for those that want them. > Please don't let's dumb Debian down any further. Base install means base > install. The net install disk by default installs Gnome (I have

Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not

2017-03-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 March 2017 20:08:16 Brian wrote: > and we are told > it is not the purpose of this list to answer practical problems by > by guiding people to it. :) Oh, come Brian. We are also told that it is not the purpose of Debian to pander to freaks and Geeks. We are told that the moon is

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 March 2017 16:45:31 Catherine Gramze wrote: > It is more important to not intimidate the beginner. Not, it isn't. Debian is for experts, or would-be experts, or those who will never be experts but like to pretend. I am so sad that Debian is becoming more and more Ubuntu-ised. For

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

2017-03-17 Thread songbird
Richard Owlett wrote: > As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. > Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh > install to a different partition. > It is annoying to keep re-scanning a set of 13 DVDs. > Where is the information stored? > /etc/apt/sources.list is ob

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 March 2017 15:18:57 Catherine Gramze wrote: > > On Mar 17, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > That would presume that the majority of users of the installer wanted to > > install a desktop environment. This is not necessarily true even for > > beginners, on say, server

Re: Finding firmware (and SHA sums etc), was Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not

2017-03-17 Thread David Wright
On Thu 16 Mar 2017 at 20:08:16 (+), Brian wrote: > On Thu 16 Mar 2017 at 12:04:14 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 16 Mar 2017 at 14:05:17 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:52:00PM +, GiaThnYgeia wrote: > > > > Brian: > > > > > > > > > Documentation

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Catherine Gramze
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > That would presume that the majority of users of the installer wanted to > install a desktop environment. This is not necessarily true even for > beginners, > on say, server machines. Beginners are installing server systems as their

Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround?

2017-03-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 17 March 2017 10:26:05 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 07:37:11AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I do, I am a very longtime user of amanda, since 1998 TBE. > > OK - I misread your post as suggesting you had lost 6 months of work. > > > And yet for me, "life" is long, I'

Re: Suggested edit

2017-03-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:43:05AM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: > That "feature" is not limited to the cd version. It is also in the netinst > version and the dvd versions. It would be nice if people intuitively > understood that the "base system" was not going to meet their expectations of > a m

Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

2017-03-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:47:01AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > /etc/apt/sources.list is obvious, but where is the data about contents of > each DVD stored? /var/cache/apt/* I believe -- Jonathan Dowland Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list. signature.asc Description: Digital sig

Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround?

2017-03-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 07:37:11AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I do, I am a very longtime user of amanda, since 1998 TBE. OK - I misread your post as suggesting you had lost 6 months of work. > And yet for me, "life" is long, I'm 82 and counting. No point wasting any of it, no matter how much y

Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?

2017-03-17 Thread Richard Owlett
As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh install to a different partition. It is annoying to keep re-scanning a set of 13 DVDs. Where is the information stored? /etc/apt/sources.list is obvious, but where is the data abo

Re: XFCE - move items in notification area

2017-03-17 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:55:48 -0400 Alex wrote: > How does one move items within the notification area? Not sure one can: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/33vu14/is_there_any_way_to_order_the_indicators_on/ https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7034 Celejar

Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround?

2017-03-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 17 March 2017 05:49:30 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 09:54:42AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > gedit has caused me to have to start over again, 3 times, on a 600+ > > line configuration file for machine control on several occasions. As > > the file it trashed was 6 mo

Re: TTL expired in transit to qemu virtual machine.

2017-03-17 Thread Dominik George
Hi, > >iptables -L FORWARD -nv >Chain FORWARD (policy DROP 0 packets, 0 bytes) >pkts bytes target prot opt in out source >destination >XX ACCEPT all -- br0br0 0.0.0.0/0 >0.0.0.0/0 What is that supposed to do? Forwarding on the IP layer,

TTL expired in transit to qemu virtual machine.

2017-03-17 Thread Mimiko
Hello. I've setup qemu/kvm and installed several virtual machines. Access and ping to some virtuals are ok, but one have a stable problem not receiving correctly packets. First, this is the environment: >uname -a Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.84-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux >libvirtd --version

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-17 Thread Dan Purgert
David Christensen wrote: > On 03/13/2017 05:38 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Currently, the system here is >> >> - every PC has a cronjob backing up $HOME to a central "server" (read - >>repurposed PC with decent WD drives), just an rsync script that runs >>daily. > > Don't forget security: >

Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround?

2017-03-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 09:54:42AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > gedit has caused me to have to start over again, 3 times, on a 600+ line > configuration file for machine control on several occasions. As the file > it trashed was 6 months worth of adding new features to that machines > control, t

Re: programmatically determining the desktop environment of a system

2017-03-17 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:17:37PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > Is there a programmatic way that a piece of software can learn what > desktop environment it is executing in? Just out of curiosity: what is (roughly) your use case? (Personally I think it's