Re: How to manually install WiFi firmware on Debian Live?

2021-03-15 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 4:44 PM Anssi Saari wrote: > Kenneth Parker writes: > > > That brings up a question: Do Debian and Devuan (Debian fork without > SystemD) use the same Kernels? > > > > (And I may be able to answer my own question when I get home, as I run > both). > > At least the

Re: How to make btrfs forget a disk?

2021-03-15 Thread Victor Sudakov
Victor Sudakov wrote: > > btrfs thinks that /dev/nvme1n1 has a btrfs: > > # btrfs filesystem show > Label: none uuid: 3414ae53-f3d4-43ea-bb88-ffefc9bc86f6 > Total devices 1 FS bytes used 1.05TiB > devid1 size 2.00TiB used 1.33TiB path /dev/nvme0n1 > > Label: none uuid:

Re: [TOTALLY OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 15 mar 21, 17:21:39, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > At last report: normal desktop Ryzens (nothing with a G suffix > > unless it also has a PRO marking) > > Do you have a reliable source for the lack of ECC support in G suffix > processors? > > And why would it work

Re: xfce and hddtemp on Bullseye annoyance

2021-03-15 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:32:20 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > However, XFCE expects to find it, and complains when it doesn't. How > do I convince XFCE not to look for it? It seems that the XFCE sensors plugin is the culprit. I saw nothing in the plugin's configuration about it, though. -- Does

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:08:51AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 15 mar 21, 11:19:55, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > Last I heard Debian works on the M1 already :-), but its Emacs package > > doesn't :-( > > No surprise considering Emacs is itself a full OS :p > Yeah, but it could really

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Christian Groessler
On 3/15/21 10:47 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 15 mar 21, 20:24:56, Sven Hartge wrote: (I still vividly remember using memmaker and manual ordering the drivers in config.sys and autoexec.bat to shave another 2KB from the lower memory so the IPX driver would fit so Doom would run.) For me it

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 15 mar 21, 11:19:55, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Last I heard Debian works on the M1 already :-), but its Emacs package > doesn't :-( No surprise considering Emacs is itself a full OS :p (sorry, could not resist) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

Re: [TOTALLY OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 15 mar 21, 17:21:39, Dan Ritter wrote: > > At last report: normal desktop Ryzens (nothing with a G suffix > unless it also has a PRO marking) Do you have a reliable source for the lack of ECC support in G suffix processors? And why would it work for PRO processors instead? I think

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 15 mar 21, 20:24:56, Sven Hartge wrote: > > (I still vividly remember using memmaker and manual ordering the drivers > in config.sys and autoexec.bat to shave another 2KB from the lower > memory so the IPX driver would fit so Doom would run.) For me it was Warcraft :) And for some game

Re: Engegada aleatòria

2021-03-15 Thread Jordi Miguel
Hola, Bé, almenys sabem que quan no funciona no s'arriba ni a executar systemd, de manera que falla molt aviat en el procés. El següent pas que t'aconsello es augmentar el nivell de log. Per això hauries de tornar a editar el fitxer /etc/default/grub i posar un "loglevel=6" a la variable

Re: non-existing interface problem [SOLVED, kinda]

2021-03-15 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I don't know what to say. I rebooted the box, yet again, last evening. This morning, I tried yesterday's last suggestion (a big grep of dmesg), and there was no mention of wwan0 or eth1. I ran the others too (dmesg (with several greps),

Re: [TOTALLY OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Anssi Saari wrote: > Dan Ritter writes: > > As for the ECC support in Ryzen CPUs, as I understand it it's a bit of a > mess. Sure the CPUs support it but if it's not validated by motherboard > manufacturers, how do you know it actually works reliably? ... by trying it out and reporting the

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 03:50:56PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: In retrospect maybe DEC and SGI should have merged and then partnered with AMD (as you note above some of DEC's processor design team indeed ended up at AMD on the Opteron project), but I think it would have taken a crapload of

Re: [TOTALLY OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Anssi Saari
Dan Ritter writes: > Intel knew that their argument was bull: they owned the market > and needed ways of subdividing their CPUs to fit every price > point. Turning off ECC support was one of those ways. > That strategy started with the 80486, when they brought out a > cheap version called the

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Re: How to manually install WiFi firmware on Debian Live?

2021-03-15 Thread Anssi Saari
Kenneth Parker writes: > That brings up a question: Do Debian and Devuan (Debian fork without > SystemD) use the same Kernels? > > (And I may be able to answer my own question when I get home, as I run both). At least the versions look similar, 4.19 in stable and 5.10 from backports.

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>So it was a great move on the part of AMD: cheap to implement but with >>an enormous marketing impact. > It had much more than a marketing impact, because x86 was a PITA for more > than 2GB of RAM and that was getting cheap and becoming a common problem by > 2003. Switching to opteron for 8G or

Re: [TOTALLY OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Sven Hartge wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > From a purely technical perspective, it's hard to understand how Intel > > managed to pour so much energy into such an obviously bad idea. The > > only explanations seem all to be linked to market strategies. > > This history repeats for Intel

Re: [TOTALLY OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Sven Hartge
Stefan Monnier wrote: > From a purely technical perspective, it's hard to understand how Intel > managed to pour so much energy into such an obviously bad idea. The > only explanations seem all to be linked to market strategies. This history repeats for Intel on several fronts: Look at the

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Sven Hartge
Joe wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:34:42 +0100 Sven Hartge wrote: >> Imagine a PC with 4GB adressable memory space in 1980. > I can. It would have cost as much as a mainframe to make full use of it. I don't say to put it in, only to have a flat 32bit address range. Just like the current

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> No it wouldn't, and we had it by the late '80's with the advent of >> 68040 abd 68060 accellerator boards for the Amiga's. But that flat >> memory model and poor production QC doomed it. Any program could make >> a missfire and write into another programs memory space, crashing the >> whole

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 01:35:42PM -0400, Celejar wrote: Apparently POWER is having a bit of a resurgence lately due to its openness and non-x86ness: https://www.osnews.com/story/133093/review-blackbird-secure-desktop-a-fully-open-source-modern-power9-workstation-without-any-proprietary-code/

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 15 March 2021 12:40:51 John Hasler wrote: > Gene writes: > > No it wouldn't, and we had it by the late '80's with the advent of > > 68040 abd 68060 accellerator boards for the Amiga's. But that flat > > memory model and poor production QC doomed it. Any program could > > make a

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread John Hasler
I guess I misremembered. After the merger they certainly *acted* as if Compaq management was in charge. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:39:10 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: ... > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 09:15:10AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > >Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> The IA64 architecture was a resounding success in one area tho: it > >> killed most of the competition that was coming from "above" (at least

Bug report concerning file /etc/resolv.conf and Connman

2021-03-15 Thread Paweł Starzyński
Hello, I'm writing to you, because I don't know precisely what package is responsible for bug- connman?, iw?,openresolv? I've just installed Buster with mini.iso. Due to age of my PC and small resources I tried to make my install as slim as possible. So I went with Openbox and decided to use

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:55:40AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Michael Stone writes: ...HP bought Compaq. Compaq bought HP and then renamed themselves HP. The name was all they really wanted, of course. That's a strange way to position it, since HP gave Compaq shareholders HP shares

Re: How to manually install WiFi firmware on Debian Live?

2021-03-15 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 12:45 PM Anssi Saari wrote: > Tixy writes: > > > That doesn't seem to be the standard method for the last 9 years, > > see... > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/518942/ > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/5/175 > > Thanks. > > > Maybe the old ways are still enabled in Debian

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread John Hasler
Michael Stone writes: > ...HP bought Compaq. Compaq bought HP and then renamed themselves HP. The name was all they really wanted, of course. HP had already spun off their instrumentation division (the real HP) as Agilent. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: How to manually install WiFi firmware on Debian Live?

2021-03-15 Thread Anssi Saari
Tixy writes: > That doesn't seem to be the standard method for the last 9 years, > see... > > https://lwn.net/Articles/518942/ > https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/5/175 Thanks. > Maybe the old ways are still enabled in Debian and used in some cases? > My bullseye kernel does have the kernel config

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:03:59AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: From a purely technical perspective, it's hard to understand how Intel managed to pour so much energy into such an obviously bad idea. The only explanations seem all to be linked to market strategies. They just had too much easy

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > No it wouldn't, and we had it by the late '80's with the advent of > 68040 abd 68060 accellerator boards for the Amiga's. But that flat > memory model and poor production QC doomed it. Any program could make > a missfire and write into another programs memory space, crashing the >

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 10:44:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: The Wanderer wrote: It caught on, and became so successful that Intel abandoned its ia64 approach and started making amd64 CPUs itself. Which was unfortunate as the x86 architecture needed to die. Moving to ia64 would have been

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > There's already work in progress to port Linux mainline (and > > consequently Debian) to the Apple M1 :) > > Since the M1 implements the ARM instruction set, I don't think there's > much work to do here, indeed (most likely the hardest part is to fight > Apple's

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 1:50 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Well, nearly. Itanium Merced was 2001 [1] (althoug you wouldn't buy > > /that/ as a private person), DEC Alpha was even 1992 [2]; > > FWIW And MIPS was there even a bit earlier with their R4000 (tho the > software support for it only

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> The original plan/claims was that the support for legacy i386 >> application would be "just as fast". This never materialized >> (unsurprisingly: it's easy to make a CPU that can run efficiency several >> slightly different instruction sets (ISA), like your average amd64 CPU which >> can run

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Indeed. Also, they wanted to move away from the i386 instruction set >> so as not to be bothered by pre-existing licensing agreements with >> AMD, and thus making sure there'd be no competing implementation. The >> IA64 architecture was quite complex, and there are reasons to believe >> that

"Yay for Debian" origin?

2021-03-15 Thread The Wanderer
In my family's shared music collection, we have a file named 'yay_for_debian-highquality.ogg'. It consists of intermixed, sped-up or slowed-down or normal-speed clips of various people saying things like "Debian distributions", "yay for Debian", "we all love Debian here", "Debian is God", "Debian

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:53:46PM +, Joe wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:34:42 +0100 Sven Hartge wrote: Imagine a PC with 4GB adressable memory space in 1980. I can. It would have cost as much as a mainframe to make full use of it. More. Memory was often the largest line item back then,

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 10:45:15AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM PC in > >> 1980, opted to use the 8086/8088 CPU instead of the also availble M68k > >> CPU because the Intel one was less powerful so it would not be in > >>

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM PC in >> 1980, opted to use the 8086/8088 CPU instead of the also availble M68k >> CPU because the Intel one was less powerful so it would not be in >> competition with the mainframes the PC was supposed to interface with >>

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > That, IIRC was a new, super shiny, thing from zilog. No experience > with it, but if it was as unreliable as the z-80, was, I'm not sorry > it failed. The Z-80 had an instruction that swapped the > foregrund/background register sets. But it only worked on odd hours > of the day.

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 10:02:12AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > Snerk. We all did that back in the day, Tomas. that and similar magazines > were this 8th grade graduates electronics education. Do they still exist > today? Retired now, so the subs expired. Some of them:

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 15 March 2021 09:53:40 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 09:31:05AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 15 March 2021 07:05:02 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:09:35AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > Another rumor I

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 09:31:05AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 15 March 2021 07:05:02 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:09:35AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM PC > > > in 1980,

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 15 March 2021 08:53:46 Joe wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:34:42 +0100 > > Sven Hartge wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:09:35AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > >> Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM > > >> PC in 1980, opted

Re: Bug: missing package

2021-03-15 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 21:20:39 -0400 Jude DaShiell wrote: > Why is frobtads missing from debian repositories? The frobtads package > makes it possible for those living outside of g.u.i. land to play tads > games on the console. frobtads is in Debian non-free, in Sid and Jessie:

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 15 mar 21, 09:22:26, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > > Thank you very, very much for all your inputs. Please put this thread > to rest and focus instead of helping seekers who need your support. I > have had enough information already from the post of The Wanderer. Lengthy, more or less offtopic

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 15 March 2021 07:05:02 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:09:35AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > [...] > > > Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM PC > > in 1980, opted to use the 8086/8088 CPU instead of the also availble > > M68k CPU because

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Joe
On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:34:42 +0100 Sven Hartge wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:09:35AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > >> Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM PC > >> in 1980, opted to use the 8086/8088 CPU instead of the also > >>

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread IL Ka
> > > No stupid memory segmentation, > IMHO segmentation was a good idea originally. You could have separate segments for code and data and since 286 it is possible to protect them (AFAIK segments were also used to separate user-space and kernel-space) But with the advent of virtual memory (386),

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:34:42PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: [...] > Having had a 68k would have been awesome. No stupid memory segmentation, So were Z8000, NS32K and many others. The horrible segmentation thing on the '86 were the tribute to backward compatibility, which is the price you pay

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Sven Hartge
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:09:35AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM PC >> in 1980, opted to use the 8086/8088 CPU instead of the also availble >> M68k CPU because the Intel one was less powerful so it would not

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:09:35AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: [...] > Another rumor I read was that IBM, when developing the first IBM PC in > 1980, opted to use the 8086/8088 CPU instead of the also availble M68k > CPU because the Intel one was less powerful so it would not be in > competition

Re: Engegada aleatòria

2021-03-15 Thread Joan Albert
Hola Jordi, De nou, moltes gràcies pel teu temps. > Entenc que això és la sortida de dmesg d'una arrencada que ha funcionat > correctament. Efectivament, és la sortida d'una arrencada que ha funcionat correctament. > Amb el canvi aquest del grub el proper cop que l'ordinador no s'engegui >

Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Dan Ritter
Susmita/Rajib wrote: > May be, Debian should make a summary of all the information collected > from here and post an article on its page for a pre-emptive > clarification on the flavours that Debian is available in, and not let > the information accumulated here go waste. Wikipedia has quite a

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Sven Hartge
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 09:15:10AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: >> For the others: they where either on board from the start (like HP), >> where already dead (like DEC/Compaq) or slipping into the embedded >> market (like MIPS). > MIPS had its chance to become the unified

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 10:54:26AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > I'm better at asynchronous as well, but still find instant messaging to > have it's uses [...] > And then there's group chats. There's a reason IRC still exists ;) Agreed. Tools, jobs and all that :) Cheers - t

Re: [EVEN MORE OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 09:15:10AM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: [...] > For the others: they where either on board from the start (like HP), > where already dead (like DEC/Compaq) or slipping into the embedded > market (like MIPS). MIPS had its chance to become the unified architecture for

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 14:49:03, Joe wrote: > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:23:17 +0100 > wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Du, 14 mar 21, 12:19:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > in the first place, I'm not the target audience for

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 15:17:39, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The original plan/claims was that the support for legacy i386 > application would be "just as fast". This never materialized > (unsurprisingly: it's easy to make a CPU that can run efficiency several > slightly different instruction sets

Re: Debian( live version) question

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 16:09:59, jacky cheung wrote: > Hi > > Im using the Debian live version non free > How can I change my user@debian on terminal to myname@debian. Im using for > my education purpose. Do you want to change your user name for the live system or do you simply want change the

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [?] Why should Distros be called as i386 for a 32-bit PC, and as amd64 for a 64-bit PC, when Intel Core PCs are also 64bit systems

2021-03-15 Thread Sven Hartge
Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Note: when IA64 was designed (starting in 1994 at HP) we where nowhere >> near the limits of the 32bit i386 architecture with RAM and frequency, >> so it made sense, somewhat. > Indeed. Also, they wanted to move away from the i386 instruction set > so as not to be

Re: Engegada aleatòria

2021-03-15 Thread Joan Albert
Hola Jordi, > Pot ser que tinguis el GRUB configurat amb "quiet" i/o "splash" ?? Si > és així ho podries modificar per poder veure el que s'imprimeix a la > pantalla quan l'ordinador es congela. > > Bàsicament hauries de editar el fitxer /etc/default/grub i modificar > una línea que dirá algo

Re: Creating a tap device.

2021-03-15 Thread john doe
TL-DR. On 3/14/2021 4:54 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: From: "Alexander V. Makartsev" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:41:47 +0500 But it wasn't creating a device with chosen name anywhere under "/dev" or "/dev/net/". I believe, "/dev/net/tun" device is created when "tun" kernel module is inserted.