Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
> OK, I did check out the BIOS/UEFI/Setup and all five fans > can be configured individually. There are five options. I spoke to soon, there seems to be only one set of options for the CPU fan, so I guess the CPU_OPT and CPU_FAN are the same in terms of options. Anyway now I've set all 5 to "Sile

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
OK, I did check out the BIOS/UEFI/Setup and all five fans can be configured individually. There are five options. Control can be disabled, auto (the default), DC, or PWM. Wind-up time is set to 0. Minimum speed is 200 RPM. Profiles were Standard (the default), Silent, Turbo, and Manual. I set

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
> Temperatures of the CPU and GPU I have, > > #! /bin/zsh > # > # this file: > # http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/.zsh/misc-hw > # https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/misc-hw > > temperature () { > local gpu=$(sensors -j | jq -a '.["nouveau-pci-0100"].temp1.temp1_input') > local c

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Christensen wrote: > I would figure out what Setup can do with the fans before > messing with the Linux CPU governor. Install software to > display temperatures, to display fan speeds, and to put the > CPU under load. Temperatures of the CPU and GPU I have, #! /bin/zsh # # this file: # h

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Christensen wrote: > Some of my other machines offer additional governors -- > "powersave" and "userspace". Run "cpufreq-info -g" to see > what Debian offers on your motherboard. I did install and did set it to different governors but the fans seem to go on like the always do regardless? C

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
didier gaumet wrote: > I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins > fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) > > Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or > individually and I think that by default the setup is > global. This would probably be fine il all your fans

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Christensen wrote: > I would disconnect the fan wire splitter, disconnect > projector extra fan, and connect the Corsair fan directly to > CHA_FAN1 [...] > > CHA_FAN1 - location? - Corsair, 120 mm 3-pin This fan is at the rear end of the computer, high, air goes out. This is 3-pin so should

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 5:51 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: OK, I did check out the BIOS/UEFI/Setup and all five fans can be configured individually. There are five options. I spoke to soon, there seems to be only one set of options for the CPU fan, so I guess the CPU_OPT and CPU_FAN are the same in terms of optio

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 8:51 p.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: >> OK, I did check out the BIOS/UEFI/Setup and all five fans >> can be configured individually. There are five options. > > I spoke to soon, there seems to be only one set of options for > the CPU fan, so I guess the CPU_OPT and CPU_FAN are the same >

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Christensen wrote: > The motherboard user's manual says all of the fan connectors > are 4-pin. Indeed, I looked at one of the fan's wires instead of the connector :$ > Changing the supply voltage of a old-school 2-wire fan will > change the speed. These typically have 4-pin power supply >

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 4:57 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: David Christensen wrote: I would figure out what Setup can do with the fans before messing with the Linux CPU governor. Install software to display temperatures, to display fan speeds, and to put the CPU under load. Temperatures of the CPU and GPU I hav

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Christensen wrote: > Some of my other machines offer additional governors -- > "powersave" and "userspace". Run "cpufreq-info -g" to see > what Debian offers on your motherboard. $ cpufreq-info -g conservative userspace powersave ondemand performance schedutil > The user's manual: > > http

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
It took an even closer look at the motherboard and discovered _all_ connectors are 4-pin. Inside the computer, 3/5 fans are 4-pin and the two on the CPU cooling tower (which are 4-pin, so it checks out) even have "PWM" in their sticker text. If the BIOS/UEFI setting is already PWM, and the connect

Re: Relatively boring bullseye upgrade reports

2021-08-22 Thread Dan Ritter
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Re: mouse pointer in changes unwanted

2021-08-22 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 23:45:07 +0200 "sp...@caiway.net" wrote: > I use sddm as display manager, when this is started I get my chosen > big green cursor but when I log in it changes to a small red > mouse pointer > > When I start blackbox, the green one also changes to the red You didn't say what

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 5:47 p.m., David Christensen wrote: > On 8/22/21 2:26 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> didier gaumet wrote: >> >>> I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins >>> fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) >>> >>> Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or >>>

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 22 August 2021 17:04:06 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 22 August 2021 12:46:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > On 2021-08-22 10:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > > > tomas wrote: > > >> I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, > > >> one tacho). I don't thin

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 2:40 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: David Christensen wrote: Some of my other machines offer additional governors -- "powersave" and "userspace". Run "cpufreq-info -g" to see what Debian offers on your motherboard. I did install and did set it to different governors but the fans seem to g

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 2:26 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: didier gaumet wrote: I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or individually and I think that by default the setup is global. This would pr

mouse pointer in changes unwanted

2021-08-22 Thread sp...@caiway.net
My mouse cursor does not follow update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme I use sddm as display manager, when this is started I get my chosen big green cursor but when I log in it changes to a small red mouse pointer When I start blackbox, the green one also changes to the red adduser test l

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread didier gaumet
Le dimanche 22 août 2021 à 21:59 +0200, Emanuel Berg a écrit : > It took an even closer look at the motherboard and discovered > _all_ connectors are 4-pin. Inside the computer, 3/5 fans are > 4-pin and the two on the CPU cooling tower (which are 4-pin, > so it checks out) even have "PWM" in the

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 22 August 2021 12:46:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-22 10:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > > tomas wrote: > >> I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, > >> one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM > > > > That's what you get w

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 1:15 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: fanfront low be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm 3-pin[1] front high be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm 4-pin CPU cooling tower be quiet! Pure Wings 2120 mm 4-pin (2)[2] rear Corsair

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 6:41 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [...] Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a motor (fan). I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, one tacho). [1] I'

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 1:39 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote: 4-pin fans wouldn't be possible because of the motherboard sockets, I think, which are also 3-pin. The motherboard user's manual says all of the fan connectors are 4-pin. On 8/22/21 6:03 AM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Like I already wrote

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
OK, I was wrong, I just checked the motherboard with a flashlight and there are fan connectors with 4 pins! I also checked my sock drawer and - holy socks! - I found a computer fan from AMD, it comes with a cooling tower as well so I think it's for the CPU, anyway it has a 4-wire! So I'll just conn

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/22/21 12:56 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote: David Christensen wrote: If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat: https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling You mean permanently or when I'm not using the computer? Install the Debian package 'cpufrequtils'. Use cpufreq

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Brian
On Sun 22 Aug 2021 at 14:51:17 -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 14:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 02:37:30PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > > On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 14:17 -0400, Thomas George wrote: > > > > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Brian
On Sun 22 Aug 2021 at 14:27:12 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 02:17:15PM -0400, Thomas George wrote: > > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been written > > for Debian 8 > > > > Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems > > There's n

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 14:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 02:37:30PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 14:17 -0400, Thomas George wrote: > > > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been > > > written for Debian 8 > > > > > > In

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
rhkramer wrote: > +1. A voltage controlled DC (computer fan) motor can be > controlled / regulated down to about 40% of full rated speed > (depending on the motor). A PWM (computer fan) motor can be > controlled down to about 20% of full rated speed. I found some web pages that describe the indiv

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 02:37:30PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 14:17 -0400, Thomas George wrote: > > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been > > written for Debian 8 > > > > Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems > > > > Works f

Re: Debian 11 installer crashed and reboot

2021-08-22 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 8/16/2021 2:30 AM, John Mok wrote: Hi all, Tried to install Debian 11 guest using netinst, but the installer crashed and reboot automatically. Host: Xen 4.11.4 on Debian 10 Guest: Debian 11 (kernel 5.10) Here is the steps to reproduce the problem:- 1) Either guest BIOS or OVMF boot 2) Sel

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 14:17 -0400, Thomas George wrote: > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been > written for Debian 8 > > Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems > Works for me (Deb11 + Cinnamon). IIRC, after running dpkg -i zoom.deb you need to run

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 2:17 p.m., Thomas George wrote: > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been > written for Debian 8 > > Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems > What is the dependencies that fail ? It does run on Debian Buster. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summersid

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Gokan Atmaca
> Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems Can you share the log? Or run apt -f install? On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 9:25 PM Thomas George wrote: > > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been > written for Debian 8 > > Installing it in bullseye fails, dependen

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 02:17:15PM -0400, Thomas George wrote: > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been written > for Debian 8 > > Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems There's not much we can do about that. If you really want the standalone applicati

zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Thomas George
The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been written for Debian 8 Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Google "Coreboot supported motherboard" ? > > And going to see this page as the first choice > > https://coreboot.org/status/board-status.html Great, so was it on the list? It wasn't, right? Bummer... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
The Wanderer wrote: >>> See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information. >> >> Yeah, but is that supposed to be a path? Or button? >> What does it mean? > > It's clearly a reference to a path in the source, or native > non-Debian-packaged build, tree of some relevant package. OK, didn't know this no

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
tomas wrote: > I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, > one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM That's what you get with the 4th wire/pin? A sensor to read RPM? "What you can't measure, you can't control" -- underground experts united https://dataswamp

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> Or what's this about fan-divisors? >> >> You may also need to increase the fan divisors. >> See doc/fan-divisors for more information. >> > See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information. Yeah, but is that supposed to be a path? Or button? What does it

Manual vs Auto-Install in APT[ was : kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye]

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 1:09 p.m., The Wanderer wrote: > Note that if you eventually hit a command line which succeeds, you'll > probably wind up marking all the listed packages as manually installed, > which you may not want. It may be worth backing up your > "manually-installed packages" state (as repor

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Tristan Miller
Greetings. On 22/08/2021 19.10, The Wanderer wrote: What explicit version number do you suggest that I try? Running "apt install kodi gnome-control-center" tells me that The following packages have unmet dependencies: kodi : Depends: kodi-bin (>= 2:19.1+dfsg2-2) but it is not going to be in

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-08-22 at 12:39, Tristan Miller wrote: > Greetings. > > On 22/08/2021 18.10, The Wanderer wrote: > >> This appears to mean either that something is resulting in a >> conflict with that version of kodi-bin, or that that version of >> kodi-bin is not available. >> >> I have: >> >> $ apt-c

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Tristan Miller
Greetings. On 22/08/2021 18.10, Greg Wooledge wrote: Do you have any packages on hold? dpkg -l | grep ^h No, no output from that command. Do you have any packages pinned, either manually, or by way of some automatic action performed by apt-listbugs? I'm not an expert in pinning, but maybe

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Tristan Miller
Greetings. On 22/08/2021 18.10, The Wanderer wrote: This appears to mean either that something is resulting in a conflict with that version of kodi-bin, or that that version of kodi-bin is not available. I have: $ apt-cache policy gnome-control-center kodi kodi-bin gnome-control-center: Ins

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 12:43 p.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > On 2021-08-22 9:41 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside >> wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a mo

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 10:04 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Google "Coreboot supported motherboard" ? >> >> And going to see this page as the first choice >> >> https://coreboot.org/status/board-status.html > > Great, so was it on the list? I don't know ! Why don

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 10:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > >> I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, >> one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM > > That's what you get with the 4th wire/pin? A sensor to > read RPM? > Opposite 3 wire = 2 wire to dri

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 10:00 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >>> Or what's this about fan-divisors? >>> >>> You may also need to increase the fan divisors. >>> See doc/fan-divisors for more information. >>> >> See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information. > > Yeah

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 9:41 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > [...] > >> Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a motor >> (fan). > > I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins powe

Re: Relatively boring bullseye upgrade reports

2021-08-22 Thread Reco
Ok, serious things. male: QEMU VM, remote hosting, console access is available Primary MX, IPSec endpoint Upgrade was tricky, because IPSec tunnel was brought down during the upgrade. It went up, but I was required to bounce sshd from the console nevertheless. Replaced sysvinit with systemd-sysv

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:04:46PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > If neither of these is the case, then I'd try: > > apt-cache polisy kodi kodi-bin # just to get some information Wow, today must be Typoday. "policy" of course.

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 05:37:52PM +0200, Tristan Miller wrote: > # apt install kodi gnome-control-center > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > Reading state information... Done > kodi is already the newest version (2:19.1+dfsg2-2). > Some packages could not be instal

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-08-22 at 11:37, Tristan Miller wrote: > Greetings. > > On 22/08/2021 17.20, The Wanderer wrote: >> On 2021-08-22 at 10:46, Tristan Miller wrote: >>> On my bullseye system, it doesn't seem to be possible to install both >>> kodi and gnome-control-center as they conflict with each other. (

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Tristan Miller
Greetings. On 22/08/2021 17.20, The Wanderer wrote: On 2021-08-22 at 10:46, Tristan Miller wrote: On my bullseye system, it doesn't seem to be possible to install both kodi and gnome-control-center as they conflict with each other. (See below for what happens when I've got kodi installed and t

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 22. August 2021, 09:42:20 CEST schrieb Emanuel Berg: Just a little hint: On my EEEPC for example, pwmconfig and fancontrol did not work, as it is loading the wrong module. This can be fixed with a kernel param, that let load another kernel module, which is supporting pwmconfig and fa

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI)

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
The Wanderer wrote: >> There is a grub-coreboot package, is that it? > > No. If you look at the output of > > $ apt-cache show coreboot > > you'll see that it says > > "This is a dependency package for a version of GRUB that has > been built for use with platforms running the > Coreboot firmware."

Re: kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-08-22 at 10:46, Tristan Miller wrote: > Dear all, > > On my bullseye system, it doesn't seem to be possible to install both > kodi and gnome-control-center as they conflict with each other. (See > below for what happens when I've got kodi installed and then try to > install gnome-cont

kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Tristan Miller
Dear all, On my bullseye system, it doesn't seem to be possible to install both kodi and gnome-control-center as they conflict with each other. (See below for what happens when I've got kodi installed and then try to install gnome-control-center.) Is this a known issue that affects others,

Re: Buster to Bullseye upgrade problem

2021-08-22 Thread David Wright
On Sun 22 Aug 2021 at 13:18:38 (+0100), Gareth Evans wrote: > On Sun 22 Aug 2021, at 05:36, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 20 Aug 2021 at 14:13:55 (+0100), Gareth Evans wrote: > > > There is also no explanation in term.log, syslog or dpkg.log for the > > > second interruption: > > > > > > -- >

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread tomas
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 04:02:48PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > > > I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, > > one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM > > That's what you get with the 4th wire/pin? A sensor to > read RPM? Re-read the Wikip

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a motor > > (fan). to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I disagree. [...] > I have no idea what the motherboard/fan manufacturers actually do, though. Voltage reduction is a tradional method to cu

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-08-22 at 10:00, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >>> Or what's this about fan-divisors? >>> >>> You may also need to increase the fan divisors. >>> See doc/fan-divisors for more information. >>> >> See *doc/fan-divisors* for more information. > > Yeah,

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, August 22, 2021 09:41:59 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > > Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a motor > > (fan). > > I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, one tac

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
didier gaumet wrote: >> Okay, but is that even possible? > > Yes. If you want more details, read the previous link to an > explanation of differences between 3 and 4 pins connectors: > there are pictures to illustrate different possible > combinations between 3 or 4 pins fan connectors and 3 or 4

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread tomas
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [...] > Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a motor > (fan). I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM, but

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
didier gaumet wrote: > Here is your motherboard user manual [...] > https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_manual > Look at 3.2.3 section for fan control OK! > I could be entirely wrong but what I would imagine is that > fan control is by default ma

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 2:28 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Reco wrote: > >>> This made me think, is there a FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) that you >>> can install/flash to replace the manufacturer's? >> >> Coreboot is what you're thinking of. Supported motherboard's >> list is extremely limited though. > > There is a

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 5:49 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > didier gaumet wrote: > >>> Okay, but is that even possible? >> >> Yes. If you want more details, read the previous link to an >> explanation of differences between 3 and 4 pins connectors: >> there are pictures to illustrate different possible >> co

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 5:27 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > didier gaumet wrote: > >> Here is your motherboard user manual [...] >> https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_manual >> Look at 3.2.3 section for fan control > > OK! > >> I could be entirely wrong bu

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:39 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> The significant difference in practice is that 4-pin fans >> allow for RPM to change based on the need for cooling >> temperature, this reduces noise and power consumption. >> While 3-pin can control the v

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:36 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> I think you got all the information at hand now. > > pwmconfig fails but the error message doesn't add up. > > Or what's this about fan-divisors? > > You may also need to increase the fan divisors. >

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > The significant difference in practice is that 4-pin fans > allow for RPM to change based on the need for cooling > temperature, this reduces noise and power consumption. > While 3-pin can control the voltage, but the voltage can't > turn to change the fan

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > You can only throttle it when you go into a close to stop. > But this is really ineffective way of trying to control the > speed. You'll be running at at most a hundred rpm. But then why doesn't pwmconfig ask for 4-pin fans? It asks for 3-pin fans so while

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > I think you got all the information at hand now. pwmconfig fails but the error message doesn't add up. Or what's this about fan-divisors? You may also need to increase the fan divisors. See doc/fan-divisors for more information. -- underground expe

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
tomas wrote: > Whether three-pin fans can be even be RPM controlled is an > open question (the DC feed could be modulated, I guess, but > I don't know whether it is actually done). But then wouldn't pwmconfig ask for something other than 3-pin, perhaps something I don't have? -- underground exp

Re: Buster to Bullseye upgrade problem

2021-08-22 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sun 22 Aug 2021, at 13:18, Gareth Evans wrote: > On Sun 22 Aug 2021, at 05:36, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 20 Aug 2021 at 14:13:55 (+0100), Gareth Evans wrote: > > > On Fri 20 Aug 2021, at 04:45, David Wright > > > wrote: > > > > On Thu 19 Aug 2021 at 07:42:56 (+0100), Gareth Evans wrote:

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
BIOS seems to be: $ sudo dmidecode -t bios # dmidecode 3.3 Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs. SMBIOS 3.2.0 present. Handle 0x, DMI type 0, 26 bytes BIOS Information Vendor: American Megatrends Inc. Version: 2801 Release Date: 09/18/2019 Address: 0xF Ru

Re: Buster to Bullseye upgrade problem

2021-08-22 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sun 22 Aug 2021, at 05:36, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 20 Aug 2021 at 14:13:55 (+0100), Gareth Evans wrote: > > On Fri 20 Aug 2021, at 04:45, David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 19 Aug 2021 at 07:42:56 (+0100), Gareth Evans wrote: > > > $ apt policy pitivi > > pitivi: > > Installed: 0.999-1+b

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware >>> doesn't play along... game over :-/ >> >> Yeah, but if so, why doesn't it? > > Why doesn't it? Because it is not implemented, because the > builder of your motherboard made this choice... > > A

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
tomas wrote: >> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. >> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. > ^^ > Well? I'm sure! > This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware > doesn't play along... game over :-/ Yeah, but if so, why doesn't it?

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Christensen wrote: > If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat: > > https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling You mean permanently or when I'm not using the computer? > Some motherboards have temperature sensors The GPU seems to be always 41C while the CPU shows a

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
tomas wrote: > Start here [1]. Enjoy. > > [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fan_speed_control Yes, but ... $ sudo pwmconfig # pwmconfig version 3.6.0 This program will search your sensors for pulse width modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it controls a fan on your motherbo

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Reco wrote: >> This made me think, is there a FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) that you >> can install/flash to replace the manufacturer's? > > Coreboot is what you're thinking of. Supported motherboard's > list is extremely limited though. There is a grub-coreboot package, is that it? And how do you know if

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI)

2021-08-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-08-22 at 02:28, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Reco wrote: > >>> This made me think, is there a FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) that you can >>> install/flash to replace the manufacturer's? >> >> Coreboot is what you're thinking of. Supported motherboard's list >> is extremely limited though. > > There is a

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread didier gaumet
Le dimanche 22 août 2021 à 11:27 +0200, Emanuel Berg a écrit : > > Okay, but is that even possible? Yes. If you want more details, read the previous link to an explanation of differences between 3 and 4 pins connectors: there are pictures to illustrate different possible combinations between 3

FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
> There is fancontrol (pwdconfig(1)) but I don't get it to > work ... The BIOS (UEFI) can maybe be used but I don't > have/use a mouse and I dislike the UI ... > > $ sudo dmidecode [...] This made me think, is there a FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) that you can install/flash to replace the manufacturer's? --

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread didier gaumet
Le dimanche 22 août 2021 à 10:41 +0200, Emanuel Berg a écrit : > But then why doesn't pwmconfig ask for 4-pin fans? It asks for > 3-pin fans so while ineffective it's something people still > care to do. Here is an explanation of differences between 3 and 4 pins fans: https://www.howtogeek.co

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:30 a.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > On 2021-08-22 4:23 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> >> [...] >>> Fan connectors are 3-pin! >> >> Aha. So there's a chance. >> >> But still your drivers don't se

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:23 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > [...] >> Fan connectors are 3-pin! > > Aha. So there's a chance. > > But still your drivers don't seem to play along. Hm. > > Ahem... it seems I was wrong: the third pin in thr

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > >>> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. >>> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. >> ^^ >> Well? > > I'm sure! > >> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware >> doesn't

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread tomas
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: [...] > Fan connectors are 3-pin! Aha. So there's a chance. But still your drivers don't seem to play along. Hm. Ahem... it seems I was wrong: the third pin in three-pin conector seems to be tacho (i.e. speed feedback), not PWM [1].

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 3:56 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > >> If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat: >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling > > You mean permanently or when I'm not using the computer? Have you read the wiki page regarding *fr

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > >>> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. >>> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. >> ^^ >> Well? > > I'm sure! > >> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware >> doesn't

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread tomas
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:42:20AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > > > Start here [1]. Enjoy. > > > > [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fan_speed_control > > Yes, but ... [...] > There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. > Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected.

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread David Christensen
On 8/21/21 4:53 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: o/ Is there a way to have "smart fans" that only go as fast as needed? Or, lacking that, is there a way to manually switch them off when one isn't using the computer? I do $ sudo hibernate -v 0 but that seems to kill the Internet connection as well

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Emanuel Berg
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > I'll add. the CPU in a Raspberry Pi is meant to be used in > embedded application and other stuff like a cellular phone > for example. Well, I used the RPi3 as my main computer for a long time. One had to use omxplayer, a special media player, tho, and whe

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread tomas
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 01:53:08AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > o/ > > Is there a way to have "smart fans" that only go as fast > as needed? As Polina says, the infrastructure should be there. If your fans have three leads on their cable, one of them is PWM control for fan speed. The CPU itself

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