Re: netatalk not on bookworm

2023-12-26 Thread john doe
On 12/26/23 21:13, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:25:11 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: I was able to build from source per the instructions at https://netatalk.sourceforge.io/3.1/htmldocs/intro.html et seq., starting with "git clone https://github.com/Netatalk/netatalk.git";. Well

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-26 Thread David Wright
On Fri 22 Dec 2023 at 11:24:22 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 at 01:21, David Wright wrote: > > > > What sort of mess? I would have thought Grub would ignore excess > > kernels dropped into /boot. > [ … ] > It saw a Debian kernel (6.1.something) on / and > a LFS kernel (6.4.12

Re: Firefox Warning

2023-12-26 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 7:03 PM Alexander J Martinez wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 06:19:33PM -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > > On my RPI4b bookworm system as I was browsing, Firefox stopped me > > demanding to update and I couldn't continue to use FF until I accepted > > its demand and let it u

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On 2023-12-25 18:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 8:43 PM Charlie Gibbs wrote: On Mon Dec 25 12:01:59 2023 "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: Yes - that's the obvious way. I set my machines to /etc/UTC (or /etc/GMT) and leave them there. No daylight saving time, no offsets - all l

Re: APT preferring `stable` over `stable-security`

2023-12-26 Thread Max Nikulin
On 26/12/2023 23:23, Dan Ritter wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration#Be_careful_with_APT::Default-Release (quoted entirely) But omitting a couple of links to comments from developers that APT::Default-Release is deprecated. A tool to debug issues with upgrades is apt policy

The

2023-12-26 Thread KAMPANAT
KAMPANAT THUMWONG

Re: Firefox Warning

2023-12-26 Thread Alexander J Martinez
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 04:38:04PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 12:38:44PM -0600, Alexander J Martinez wrote: > > out of curiosity...did you upgrade using > > > > sudo apt upgrade firefox-esr > > or apt-get or synaptic. > > That apt command isn't valid. "apt upgrade" doe

No Sound With Bookworm

2023-12-26 Thread Thomas George
Pulseaudio Volume control shows a strong signal audio output but nothing reaches the speakers. This must be a well known problem but I can't find the answer. Please help Tom George

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 12:39:26AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > I am getting an "Operation not permitted" error while strace tries to > attach to that pid: > > "strace: attach: ptrace(PTRACE_SEIZE, 52527): Operation not permitted" > > > $ ping www.google.fr -c 4 & > pid=$! > stra

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 12/26/23, Greg Wooledge wrote: > If you want to launch a SIMPLE BACKGROUND PROCESS (note the SIMPLE here, > this is IMPORTANT), and then strace it while it runs, you'd do it like > this: > > ping www.google.fr -c 4 & > pid=$! > strace -p "$pid" > wait "$pid" I am getting an "O

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 11:05:53PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > Why would %S be in the range second (00..60), instead of > (00..59)?: Remember what seems like years ago in this thread when I said that if we're being pedantic, this is more complicated than you think, and you scoffed tha

Heinlein and requirements (was Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?)

2023-12-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-12-26 at 17:33, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 04:49:13PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >> -- >> Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and >> ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can >> be killed but can't be

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 04:49:13PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 26 December 2023 09:34:00 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Living offline is not really feasible anymore - there are too many security > > updates needed. > (snip) > > Linux distributions do update and you should idea

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 16:49:13 -0500 "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > I must be missing something here. If one is running a system that's > NOT net-connected, why is security so important an issue? Physical access, especially a multi-user system. Think a college science lab. -- Does anybody rea

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 26 December 2023 09:34:00 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Living offline is not really feasible anymore - there are too many security > updates needed. (snip) > Linux distributions do update and you should ideally be running the latest > most up to date security patches. I must be missin

Re: Firefox Warning

2023-12-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 12:38:44PM -0600, Alexander J Martinez wrote: > out of curiosity...did you upgrade using > > sudo apt upgrade firefox-esr > or apt-get or synaptic. That apt command isn't valid. "apt upgrade" does not take package names as additional arguments. It upgrades ALL the packag

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 06:31:19PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > I think I am getting close to where I need to with this (am I?): > > $ bash -c 'ping www.google.fr -c 4 &'; echo "Caller PID: $$"; strace -p $$ I don't understand what you're trying to do here. Is this an oversimplified example

Re: netatalk not on bookworm

2023-12-26 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:25:11 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > I was able to build from source per the instructions at > https://netatalk.sourceforge.io/3.1/htmldocs/intro.html et seq., > starting with "git clone https://github.com/Netatalk/netatalk.git";. Well, that didn't work. I got two good back

Re: Firefox Warning

2023-12-26 Thread Alexander J Martinez
On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 06:19:33PM -0600, Mike McClain wrote: > On my RPI4b bookworm system as I was browsing, Firefox stopped me > demanding to update and I couldn't continue to use FF until I accepted > its demand and let it update. It did so then restarted FF at which > point it became almost to

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 12/26/23, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 02:57:54PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: >> 1) how do you set up the process to be straced as a parameter? Something >> like: >> prx="echo hello" >> logfile="file.txt" >> # >> strace "${prx}" 2>"${logfile}" >> ls -l "${logfile}"; wc -l

Re: single quote "'" in bash xterm or lxterminal

2023-12-26 Thread Mike McClain
You guys were rigt all along, I just couldn't see it. Greg's suggestion to try dash showed me the error of my ways. I moved .inputrc to no.inputrc, commented out the line in bash.environment that pulled in xterm_bindings, killed and restarted X and sure enough I had '"' in an lxterminal window. I m

Re: APT preferring `stable` over `stable-security`

2023-12-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> What am I missing? > https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration#Be_careful_with_APT::Default-Release Indeed! Thank you! Apparently the release notes didn't warn me loudly enough about it :-( Stefan

Re: APT preferring `stable` over `stable-security`

2023-12-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I take it this is bookworm. In that case, you also need: >> >> # bookworm-updates, to get updates before a point release is made; >> # see >> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports >> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-updates main contrib

Re: APT preferring `stable` over `stable-security`

2023-12-26 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > I noticed today that one of my machines was still running openssh > 1:9.2p1-2+deb12u1 rather than 1:9.2p1-2+deb12u2 even though it is > supposed to do its unattended-upgrades, so I tried a manual upgrade and > the result was still the same. > > Only after > > apt ins

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/12/2023 13:05, 이 강우 wrote: how to clone apt repository to newest only? If you are asking about partial mirror then some of the following links might be useful: - https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup#Debian_Repository_Mirroring_Tools - https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror

Re: APT preferring `stable` over `stable-security`

2023-12-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> The `sources.list` files says: >> >> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable-security main >> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stable main > > I take it this is bookworm. In that case, you also need: > > # bookworm-updates, to get updates before a point release is made; > # see > https:

Re: APT preferring `stable` over `stable-security`

2023-12-26 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:12:01 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: > The `sources.list` files says: > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable-security main > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stable main I take it this is bookworm. In that case, you also need: # bookworm-updates, to get updates

APT preferring `stable` over `stable-security`

2023-12-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
I noticed today that one of my machines was still running openssh 1:9.2p1-2+deb12u1 rather than 1:9.2p1-2+deb12u2 even though it is supposed to do its unattended-upgrades, so I tried a manual upgrade and the result was still the same. Only after apt install openssh-server/stable-security di

Re: single quote "'" in bash xterm or lxterminal

2023-12-26 Thread Max Nikulin
On 25/12/2023 12:31, Mike McClain wrote: In lxterminal control v displays "'" though lxterminal doesn't. Do xterm and lxterminal behave in a similar way? Is there something related to xterm *VT100*translations in the output of xrdb -query - I am unsure if there are terminal settings and

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 02:57:54PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > 1) how do you set up the process to be straced as a parameter? Something > like: > prx="echo hello" > logfile="file.txt" > # > strace "${prx}" 2>"${logfile}" > ls -l "${logfile}"; wc -l "${logfile}"; cat "${logfile}" Why? This

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-26 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 12/26/23, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > man strace says: > -o filename Write the trace output to the file filename rather > than to stderr. > > So strace normally directs its output to stderr. That's file descriptor 2. > You can redirect it by the "2>file" gesture of the shell: >

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:19:26PM +0900, 이강우(KangWoo Lee) wrote: > The reason I'm asking for this feature is that > > For example, I want to install the most recent packages when installing an > OS in a specific closed network environment. > > Of course, I could use a recently created DVD iso fi

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread Hans
Am Dienstag, 26. Dezember 2023, 14:19:26 CET schrieb 이강우(KangWoo Lee): Suggestion: First of all: Not all packages on the install DVD are as new as in the repo. So the installer is always upgrading packages during the installation process. What you can do, is downloading all the packages you need

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:19:26PM +0900, 이강우(KangWoo Lee) wrote: > For example, I want to install the most recent packages when installing an > OS in a specific closed network environment. > > Of course, I could use a recently created DVD iso file, but I would need to > have an internet connectio

Re: how to clone apt repository to newest only?

2023-12-26 Thread KangWoo Lee
The reason I'm asking for this feature is that For example, I want to install the most recent packages when installing an OS in a specific closed network environment. Of course, I could use a recently created DVD iso file, but I would need to have an internet connection to apply files that have b

Logistics vs hystereisis [was: Dealing with SPAM.]

2023-12-26 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 01:49:17PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] (it's actually a logistic function [1]). > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function > > Looking forward to Yet Another Of Those Nerdy Monster Threads ;-) > > Since it's happeni