Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
On 15-11-2014 16:59, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 15:22:06 +0200, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: On 15-11-2014 14:17, Brian wrote: >On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >>On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: >>> >>> By the same

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
I couldn't resist also ... "A use case better covered by SysV init: encrypted block devices" http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/categorie2/debian Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of &q

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-14 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
e knowledgable people to use it even if it doesn't have flaws. Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/38748c5f44f3013e804b37d0390b4...@nephelae.eu

Re: FWD: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning

2014-11-12 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
quot; Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1a8a7136df43f3303b0daf1ae067f...@nephelae.eu

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
ction UI has changed in Jessie because was "hidden" in some 3rd level menu, no clearly visible. Is it a project decision to go more Desktop ? Sorry I don't know much reg. how to fix the --exclude bug, but is it too much work for someone to do it, at least for the expert install

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
e actually very very similar things." Now I'm wondering. Is the systemd a kind of Trojan horse to "fork" Debian from "within" ? ( I'm joking ) [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/11/16/482 Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD

2014-10-31 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 22-10-2014 17:41, Steve Litt έγραψε: On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:01:17 +0300 "Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis" wrote: Hi, after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie with one of the defaults DE and with no systemd utilities, i decided the following. In the compa

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-29 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 27-10-2014 18:15, Christian Seiler έγραψε: Am 27.10.2014 15:05, schrieb Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: Στις 27-10-2014 14:53, Christian Seiler έγραψε: To me a lot of the anti-systemd response here seems to be a purely gut-driven emotional response. I realize that what kind of preferences we

Re: Who's locking down the code?

2014-10-27 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
k (2010-12-01). "[ANNOUNCE] util-linux without -ng". Retrieved 2014-04-12. https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/12/1/464 Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: Who's locking down the code?

2014-10-27 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
ese days . . . :( I tend to agree with you golinux. We'll maybe forced to use systemd, if we don't want to start uuidd daemon from the start, cause of this commit in util-linux, libuuid[1]. [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioanni

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-27 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 27-10-2014 16:05, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis έγραψε: Στις 27-10-2014 14:53, Christian Seiler έγραψε: To me a lot of the anti-systemd response here seems to be a purely gut-driven emotional response. I realize that what kind of preferences we have in the software we want to use has a large

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-27 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
t;. After that commit[1], i'm forced to use systemd, if i don't want to start uuidd from the beginning. That's new for me... [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.d

Re: How To Prove Systemd Can|Cannot Be Jessie Default

2014-10-23 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
sn't based only on technical grounds, you know. Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/9c4a23049585d9a511dc6f27febd4...@nephelae.eu

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-22 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
On 23/10/2014 12:38 πμ, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 22.10.2014 23:03, schrieb Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: On 22/10/2014 11:29 μμ, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: I meant, it is possible to have sysvinit-core, of course, but, from now on, at least libsystemd0 is required, you cannot remove it without

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-22 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
.. It will avoid Debian becoming accidentally locked in to a particular init system (for example, because so much unrelated software has ended up depending on a particular init system that the burden of effort required to change init system becomes too great). ... " . regards, -- Dim

Re: Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD

2014-10-22 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
On 22/10/2014 7:06 μμ, Martin Read wrote: On 22/10/14 08:37, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: What details do you think are neccecary ? Just grab a DI-b2 img, install xfce or lxde ( with the menu or with desktop= doesn't matter ) and then try to remove *all* the systemd util

Re: Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD

2014-10-22 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 22-10-2014, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 13:40 +0200, ο/η Jochen Spieker έγραψε: > Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: > > > > after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie > > with one of the defaults DE and with no systemd utilities, i decided > > the f

Re: Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD

2014-10-22 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 21-10-2014, ημέρα Τρι, και ώρα 23:55 -0700, ο/η Rusi Mody έγραψε: > On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:00:04 PM UTC+5:30, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis > wrote: > > Hi, > > > after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie with > > one of the d

Keep using Debian without GNOME and SystemD

2014-10-21 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
that ) i don't care. Regards, -- Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part