Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. This is temporary. It's dependent on cgmanager being added to the archives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:04:04 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 07:30:40 schrieb Erwan David: Still… also hibernate and suspend with KDE is currently broken with sysvinit- core. And systemd 208 just doesn´t boot my workstation at work, while it works

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote: Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts

Re: unable to access website, getting 502 Bad Gateway errors

2014-07-21 Thread Tom Furie
hosting provider that their services are all operational. Cheers, Tom -- Computer Science is merely the post-Turing decline in formal systems theory. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote: Booting is fast That's one of the development goals. I switched today

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: libpam-systemd now refuses systemd-shim (with v208 in testing)... You must be skipping emails in this thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:35 AM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: On Monday 21 July 2014 08:45:12 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: (Using init=/sbin/init on the kernel cmdline will boot systemd if you have systemd-sysv installed.) More and more complicated, huh? Will

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this defines a full

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:37:40 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no decision's reached

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production. I'm looking down the road a year and planning what I will use in production when my current system is ready for upgrade. It's looking less

Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-19 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote: The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system was working just fine. They

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-19 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2014-07-19 00:22 +0200, Steve Litt wrote: And finally, note that the guy's email doesn't specifically recommend systemd, and as a matter of fact seems to gravitate toward upstart, This is quite easily explained by the

Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6

2014-07-19 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 18 iul 14, 00:51:41, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: I wouldn't update to Wheezy - because I waiting for Jessy. Unless you want to reinstall from scratch skipping a release is not supported. This was discussed on

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-19 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:00 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: I suspect it may be the principle which I've been turning over in my mind lately, and which I think would be expressed as: No functionality which anything not part of the init system might legitimately want to depend

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-19 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a écrit : I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is no real need. Explain why systemd is

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-18 Thread Tom Furie
dotclear gnome-settings-daemon Reverse Depends: gnome-core indicator-session gnome-shell gnome-session gnome-power-manager gnome-session-flashback gnome-packagekit-session gnome-music gnome-control-center gdm3 Cheers, Tom -- How should I know

Re: [SOLVED!! Hopefully] Re: Skype - no microphone input sound...REVISITED

2014-07-17 Thread Tom Ashley
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:43:31 +0900 Man_Without_Clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote: Now, it Works!!! Actually, I have done this before. I don't know why it worked now, did not before Thank you! Thank you Thank you! You're welcome. -- To

Re: Skype - no microphone input sound...REVISITED

2014-07-16 Thread Tom Ashley
: http://borninbronx.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/skype-4-and-pulseaudio-microphone-not-working-speaker-output-is-sent-back-instead/ . Hope this helps. Tom Ashley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:47 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide you with all the

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-13 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 12:21:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little

Re: Network devices go bad a lot in Wheezy

2014-07-12 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Yeah, you read the subject right. Let me explain... Debian (Wheezy 7.5) is the first distro I've seen where this happens. You reboot, and eth0 doesn't work and neither does lo. It's intermittent enough I can't give

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-12 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 12:21:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who controlled the decision to go to systemd had

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-12 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 12:21:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who controlled the decision to go to systemd had

Re: Sid - grubpc-bin isc-dhcp-client bugs

2014-07-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2014-07-09 19:43 +0200, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2014-07-09 08:59 +0200, Tom H wrote: This one was against 2.02~beta2-7 in experimental. In unstable

Re: UEFI

2014-07-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:49:12 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com napísal: On 09/07/2014, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: BTW, sorry to hijack a bit this thread, but what could be the advantages to use UEFI (I just have Debian

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-09 Thread Tom Furie
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 07:16:43PM +0100, Brian wrote: [1] I am allowed to hate curl because I do not use it and do not understand what it does. Sounds more like fear. To hate something you must at least be familiar with what it is and does, and preferrably know how and why. Cheers, Tom

Re: Sid - grubpc-bin isc-dhcp-client bugs

2014-07-09 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: For some time these bugs have existed in SID: critical bugs of grub-pc-bin (2.00-22 → 2.02~beta2-10) Outstanding #741464 - grub-pc-bin: hangs after displaying boot menu This one was against 2.02~beta2-7 in

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-09 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 7/8/2014 5:42 PM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: What's wrong with that? I also have to use Windows, even when I'm working on Linux device drivers (and have

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:55:15 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: FTR, since you seem to have misunderstood, I copied and pasted someone else's comments on OpenRC. If we're going to the effort of replacing init

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:57:51 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 16:03:31 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote: Do the programs you launch need to outlive your session? If so, your launcher program's design will run into problems in a systemd world. loginctl has an enable-linger setting for this for a logged in and authenticated user.

Re: Sid - grubpc-bin isc-dhcp-client bugs

2014-07-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2014-07-09 08:59 +0200, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: For some time these bugs have existed in SID: critical bugs of grub-pc-bin (2.00-22 → 2.02~beta2-10

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-08 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 7/7/2014 4:47 AM, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Balint balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/07/2014 18:14, Tom H wrote: Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this nonsense

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-08 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Miroslav Hrabal hrabalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 22:03:53 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: Change is difficult and there will be problems. On the other hand systemd is used by a lot of distros already and the alternatives

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-08 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 16:03:31 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I forgot that systemd is able to spy processes it starts, IIRC, to avoid tricks like the double fork, which means a better control on zombie

Re: Gratuitous reverse rabble rousing? (was Re: why do we use systemd?)

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: I think it's because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that you're the same person that came on here before with all sorts of anti-systemd yelling, not to express an opinion, but to start trouble. If their belief is

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 05/07/2014 20:50, B a écrit : I just made a re-installation on my last laptop and it installed by itself when upgrading to sid. AFAICS, it is really fast; now, we'll see what problem will be raised in the future…

Re: Clone GPT partition table - with Lenny ?

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Ron Leach ronle...@tesco.net wrote: We have a RAID1 server running Lenny, one of whose two 2TB discs comprising the RAID arrays has failed. The discs were partitioned into 8 partitions during the Debian Lenny installation, and separate RAID1 arrays were built

Re: Clone GPT partition table - with Lenny ?

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: Apparently, this is very easy: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12986/how-to-copy-the-partition-layout-of-a-whole-disk-using-standard-tools You can't uses sfdisk with gpt disks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Clone GPT partition table - with Lenny ?

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 5:53 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: Rahhh, read too fast, former was for non-GPT, here's one good pgm that does the trick (also exist as a pkg in trudububu):

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2014-07-05 20:25 +0200, Steve Litt wrote: Then there was that upstart thing: a little more convoluted, but still somewhat conformant to the Unix Philosophy. Now comes systemd, which, from what I've heard, is a further

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Balint balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/07/2014 18:14, Tom H wrote: Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this nonsense simultaneously? because I use Debian and Fedora as well. Why are you doing so from a Windows system if you're

Re: Debian Wheezy additional IP through Gnome-network-manager

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: for some reason i need to assign an additional IP to My LAN. which i did from Gnome-network-manager but ipconfig doesn't show the new IP, i even server networking restart which didnt help. i dont want to restart my

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:15 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 07/06/2014 09:54 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 06/07/14 00:10, The Wanderer wrote: Can you run logind without systemd or journald? If you have something else that provides the systemd interfaces logind depends on, you

Re: Debian Wheezy additional IP through Gnome-network-manager

2014-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: for some reason i need to assign an additional IP to My LAN. which i did

Re: simple database solution without root access

2014-07-06 Thread Tom Furie
-liners based on that. But the problem comes when you have to delete/insert a new column into existing data. You mentioned nothing in your original post about adding or removing columns. Are there any other details we should be aware of? Cheers, Tom -- Hlade's Law: If you have a difficult

Re: Different behaviour handling NFS mounts after login

2014-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: I don't think user is valid for nfs mounts. The user flag is usually for local media. In any case it isn't in the list for nfs mount options. Also neither is auto. Same with _netdev. Personally I am only using async and

Re: unable to upgrade kernel

2014-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:02 PM, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote: Le 04/07/2014 16:12, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Friday 04 July 2014 14:42:47 Stephen Powell wrote: Since you are trying to install a 3.14 kernel from backports, I assume that you are running wheezy. You

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Tom H
Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this nonsense simultaneously? Why are you doing so from a Windows system if you're such a Linux traditionalist? On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Balint balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/14/ Just

Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

2014-07-01 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 3:40:02 AM UTC+5:30, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Brian wrote: On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 14:05:10 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rusi Mody wrote: I use the grub

Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?

2014-06-30 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:34:54 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 22 June 2014 01:31:50 Steve Litt wrote: The whole reason I'm

Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?

2014-06-30 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 27 Jun 2014 at 13:40:48 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:34:54 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: functional, graphical boots, framebuffer boots, enforced GUI login just get in the way. Plymouth sux

Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

2014-06-30 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:20:02 PM UTC+5:30, Brian wrote: On Sat 28 Jun 2014 at 09:00:30 +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote: On Saturday 28 June 2014 05.55:39 Rusi Mody wrote: PS. No I am not defending grub2 -- I find its

Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

2014-06-30 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: There used to be a grub wiki: grub.enbug.org. The link is now dead. It can however still be found in the webarchive: https://web.archive.org/web/20100819173835/http://grub.enbug.org/FrontPage The grub manual that I

Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

2014-06-30 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:24:41 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Otherwise, if you do not like grub, there are other boot loaders. LILO at least works fine, and seems to be ok for your requirements: a single

Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?

2014-06-30 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 13:42:51 -0400, Tom H wrote: Removing splash disables the bootsplash but it doesn't disable plymouth. With upstart, plymouth is the interface for fscking or decrypting a partition. Oh! I've never used

Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

2014-06-30 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 14:05:10 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: I use the grub command configfile (also multiboot). What do they do? Where are they documented? [I got

Re: OT: programming languages

2014-06-29 Thread Tom Furie
to a problem and discussing coding and langauges in general. Cheers, Tom -- A domineering man married a mere wisp of a girl. He came back from his honeymoon a chastened man. He'd become aware of the will of the wisp. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

flakey wifi access

2014-06-29 Thread tom arnall
my wicd agent is unable to connect to wifi at mcDonald's, both in mexico and the states. it's fine with my home wifi and the coffee shop i go to. it also fails on the network at the campus where i teach in mexico. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads

2014-06-28 Thread Tom Furie
for the motherboard there should be a jumper to clear CMOS which will reset the BIOS settings to defaults. Alternatively, removing the CMOS battery for a few seconds will usually achieve the same result. I would imagine that USB keyboard support would be enabled in the default settings. Cheers, Tom

Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads

2014-06-28 Thread Tom Furie
if your keyboard is recognised and functional there. If that fails, then I'd try a cheap USB keyboard. It would be unusual in my experience for a keyboard to need any kind of driver beyond what's already there for basic functionality, but I'm open to the possibility with gaming keyboards. Cheers, Tom

Re: Synaptic messed up

2014-06-28 Thread Tom Furie
the apt command is available in Wheezy? Cheers, Tom -- To communicate is the beginning of understanding. -- ATT signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads

2014-06-28 Thread Tom Furie
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 03:31:51PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: She's got a USB keyboard. She needs a ps/2, and tehse are almost unobtainable. Except a PS/2 keyboard won't help either since the computer doesn't have PS/2 ports. Cheers, Tom -- 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0. signature.asc

Re: Can't install Debian - USB keyboard doesn't turn on until Windows loads

2014-06-28 Thread Tom Furie
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 03:39:57PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: No, she doesn't. Mea culpa. I shouldn't dive in etc. Oops, sorry. Replied to your previous message before reading this one. Perhaps I should follow your advice. Cheers, Tom -- A tall, dark stranger will have more fun than you

Re: Synaptic messed up

2014-06-28 Thread Tom Furie
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 03:57:36PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote: On 06/28/2014 11:19 AM, Tom Furie wrote: Are you sure the apt command is available in Wheezy? Yes it is as I have already used it. What package is it in? I can't find it. Cheers, Tom -- BOFH excuse #68: only available

Re: Synaptic messed up

2014-06-28 Thread Tom Furie
wasn't introduced into the apt package until version 1.0 (thank you, Darac). The apt package version in Wheezy is 0.9.7.9+deb7u2 and doesn't contain the apt command. Cheers, Tom -- Lord, what fools these mortals be! -- William Shakespeare, A Midsummer-Night's Dream signature.asc

Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?

2014-06-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 22 June 2014 01:31:50 Steve Litt wrote: The whole reason I'm switching from Xubuntu to Debian is to get away from both Plymouth and *dm. I hadn't heard of Plymouth. I just googled it and blanched. Thanks for

Re: Reply To settings - was - Re: Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce GUI shutdown and restart do not work

2014-06-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 1:38 PM, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: On Sun, 22 Jun 2014, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: This is one of those religious wars that has been fought and won and lost many

Re: Iptables

2014-06-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr wrote: I try to authorize the 192.168.0.2 host to connect to samba but the server host 192.168.0.1 won't let me with the following statement :

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-27 Thread Tom Furie
? Cheers, Tom -- Oh, I don't blame Congress. If I had $600 billion at my disposal, I'd be irresponsible, too. -- Lichty Wagner signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Iptables

2014-06-27 Thread Tom Furie
to a message on a completely unrelated thread. Cheers, Tom -- Your present plans will be successful. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: chkrootkit message

2014-06-24 Thread Tom Furie
at the bottom of your garden (or anywhere else, for that matter) than a rootkit, with or without specialist equipment. :) Cheers, Tom -- Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. -- Will Rogers signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Tom Furie
homes, but if not I would strongly advise it) is on yet another spinning disk. Cheers, Tom -- We fight only when there is no other choice. We prefer the ways of peaceful contact. -- Kirk, Spectre of the Gun, stardate 4385.3 signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Reply To settings - was - Re: Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce GUI shutdown and restart do not work

2014-06-22 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: This is one of those religious wars that has been fought and won and lost many times across the Internet. Please don't start it up again here. If you do really want to do so please use

Re: Early access to a console (during runlevel 1)

2014-06-20 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Martin Richard wrote: In fact fsck or the mount operation before fsck stalls (usually because of xfs), so I never get to the recovery shell. xfs? The X Font Server? How is xfs involved? I am sure it is really something

Re: experimenting with dpkg: installing on a different system

2014-06-20 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: First, a warning: I am basically trying to reinvent a wheel, only for my pleasure and knowledge. So, yes, there are easier ways to do the things. Yesterday, I was experimenting with dpkg ( for my own fun, and to learn

Re: debconf bricked -- undefined variable $ARGV[0] and similar issues

2014-06-17 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 13:55:37 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: You might have better luck with dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive -pcritical debconf. Thanks for the suggestion, but it did not work. Here's what I got

Re: weired packages policy

2014-06-16 Thread Tom Furie
to be (potentially) fixed than in sid then testing is the path to take. If you need a stable platform and stable feature set with little or no chance of the rug being pulled out from under you, then you want to go with stable. Cheers, Tom -- He who laughs last -- missed the punch line

kde purge unsuccessful?

2014-06-16 Thread tom arnall
what are these k* apps about? i don't want any part of kde on my system and thought i had removed it completely, but i see: kdevtmpfs. and have suspicions about other names in the list. top - 16:22:44 up 3 min, 2 users, load average: 0.33, 0.52, 0.24 Tasks: 123 total, 2 running, 121 sleeping,

Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

2014-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:32 AM, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: The biggest problem I have found using random passwords is that some sites truncate the password to a shorter number of characters. Some of those are fairly high profile sites!

Re: debconf bricked -- undefined variable $ARGV[0] and similar issues

2014-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade of my jessie system yesterday, with bad results. It seems that debconf is bricked. Currently, there are three packages that are unpacked but not configured: tzdata, locales, and

Re: Listing packages installed from experimental

2014-06-14 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com wrote: El 10/06/2014 02:25, David Glover-Aoki da...@gloveraoki.net escribió: I'm running wheezy but have some packages installed from experimental. How can I list all the packages currently installed from experimental?

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Prunk Dump wrote: Yes I installed libreoffice-l10n-fr but in libreoffice draw the paper size stay on US letter... Configure the default paper settings with libpaper1. # dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 That will present a

Re: grub rescue

2014-06-14 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:40 AM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: Today I tried to install debian from a CD which dated back to 2011. Everything went fine, partition - and then it arrived at the set up the mirror, I just choose default and think later changed in the /etc/apt. It started

Re: When bug fixes are applied on stable ?

2014-06-13 Thread Tom Furie
processor properly. Cheers, Tom -- Mathematicians practice absolute freedom. -- Henry Adams signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: xcb-util-image

2014-06-13 Thread Tom Furie
xcb-util*-dev package, on Wheezy that is xcb-util10-dev. Cheers, Tom -- Nuclear war would really set back cable. -- Ted Turner signature.asc Description: Digital signature

can't log out and log back in after remove lxde

2014-06-13 Thread tom arnall
because i con't like unused software on my system and because i cdn't get the system to go automatically to ice when i login, i completely removed lxde. everything is fine EXCEPT when i log out, the system doesn't return the login screen but just hangs and shows just the mouse cursor and the

Re: can't log out and log back in after remove lxde

2014-06-13 Thread tom arnall
thanks very much for getting back to me. remainder inline On 6/13/14, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: tom arnall wrote: because i con't like unused software on my system and because i cdn't get the system to go automatically to ice when i login, i completely removed lxde. Sure. Does

Re: Listing packages installed from experimental

2014-06-10 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM, David Glover-Aoki da...@gloveraoki.net wrote: I'm running wheezy but have some packages installed from experimental. How can I list all the packages currently installed from experimental? aptitude search ~S ~i ~Aexperimental -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Listing packages installed from experimental

2014-06-10 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Filip fi...@fbvnet.be wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM, David Glover-Aoki da...@gloveraoki.net wrote: I'm running wheezy but have some packages installed from experimental. How can I list all the packages currently

Re: Listing packages installed from experimental

2014-06-10 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:12 AM, Filip fi...@fbvnet.be wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: aptitude search -F %p %t %v ?narrow(?installed,?archive(unstable) I added a missing closing brace Sorry... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Auto-emptying of trash.

2014-06-09 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Sharon Kimble boudic...@skimble.plus.com wrote: Revisiting a question that I asked in March last year about how to auto-empty a trash bin. This has worked very well until today, when on one of my drives it also deleted the trash bin as well, so my follow-on

Re: Sid Foibles

2014-06-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:23 AM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: libxfont, libxfont-dev -- remove xfs. Is xfs gone/deprecated? In use at all? xfs was removed from the Debian repositories a while ago. network-manger, ppp,etc -- remove sysvinit-core, install systemd, systemd- sysv. Do

Re: MPD on localhost won't work if there's no Wifi!?

2014-06-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 09 Jun 2014 at 01:23:43 -0400, Teresa e Junior wrote: $ cat /etc/hostname localhost I wouldn't use this in /etc/hostname. Contacting this machine from elsewhwere on the network could prove frustrating. The hostname in

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Gnome 2, 3.. And then 2 ?

2014-06-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Glad you have a solution! All my Debian 7 systems use Xfce instead of GNOME, so I can't help you there. Debian Testing, aka Jessie, ships with Xfce by default, so if you upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy to Jessie, you would

Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1

2014-06-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 01:31:26PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Quote from the first link: The udev built from the systemd source tree will stay compatible with non-systemd init systems for a long time. This change is mostly a

Re: MPD on localhost won't work if there's no Wifi!?

2014-06-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 09 Jun 2014 at 07:58:41 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 09 Jun 2014 at 01:23:43 -0400, Teresa e Junior wrote: $ cat /etc/hostname localhost I wouldn't use

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