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> Re: OT: A question about bash script [ Neal Murphy
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In non-tech lists, top-posting suggests that the writer is (a)
unaware that Westerners read from top down, or (b) unable to edit
plain text. Or both.
Debian-users ought not wish to appear so inconsiderate & incompetent.
Wendell Cochran
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> Date: Fri Mar 6 11:06:29 2009
> From: Joe McDonagh
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Hey Steve, I love that just by typing up here above e-mails I can
>> make smug users like you go postal. I feel powerful.
Top-posting inconveniences almost everyone -- not only
e his
view of all things Debian -- perhaps in aid of writing a book.
A lot of work, yes, but it would scratch many itches both personal &
public.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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mean?
Wendell Cochran answers:
Do you play chess? It means that SCO has castled. Others, too.
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>Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:13:34 -0600
>John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>1) Caldera purchased certain assets ("the Unix business") from Santa Cruz
Operation (also then known as SCO).
>2) Among the assets Caldera acquired from Santa Cruz Operation was the
trademark "SCO".
>3) Santa Cruz Oper
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:03:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Ben Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
The point is : if you think that the posting has info that is
important enough, you will make the effort to read. . . .
Oh? A writer who doesn't make his writing easy to read won't be.
What's more: 'If
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:47:08 +1100
From: Sam Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
> I think we would end up with much better software if all
> developers were forced to use old, slow computers :) . . .
With 15-inch screens, & dial-up connectivity.
(Other restrictions may
hangeover I had learned almost nothing not in 2
little books -- _Learning the UNIX Operating System_ & _Learning the
vi Editor_ (O'Reilly both).
If I could do it, you can do it. Whoever you are.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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;
then Unix seemed easy, or at least logical.
Right now I, too, feel fated to never understand shell scripts. So
it's try, try again.
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fans that vary speed according to the temperature in the box.
The fans are available separately, too.
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useful information. You don't
have to pay full retail price (try Bookpool.com). And you needn't
be intimidated, for the text is smooth & readable.
Actually I don't own a copy, but rely on the third edition of the
UNIX version. However, bookstore sampling supports what I sa
y is this precept: Use the tool that best
fits the job.
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>Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:16:14 +0100
From: Kevin Boergens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Antonio Rodriguez schrieb:
>> Ownership of Streaming Audio and Video Challenged
>> Acacia Media Technologies has sent letters to a number of colleges
and
>> universities essentially claiming that patents it owns gover
its.
Start with Strunk & White, & work upward.
Wendell Cochran
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I read slashdot for the headlines. The real news is probably linked
>> somewhere.
>That's my whole point =) The headlines are where the damage is done.
Just to rub it in with lye & corundum, see
http://news.google.com
-- & try to deduce the news from the headlines quote
sh persons.
That leaves many hundred who prefer to discuss Debian.
Let the half dozen hear Colin Watson, & take it off list.
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In the long view, yes. But the spam plague is here _now_; I can't
wait till all humanity catches on. I've got to use the tools at hand.
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ion in [EMAIL PROTECTED] reached the lout's
boss, who firmly disavowed bias against Linux. Just then two
late-comers to the discussion asked why all the fuss; just plug
in a Cirque, they told me, & away you go. Right they were,
too.
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ymes with 'wine' -- in Missouri, the D.C.
area, & around Puget Sound. Or so I think, though my hearing is not
reliable.)
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or research, & elementary system
administration. Add grep & find. Little else.
So maybe my definitions have gone agley. No matter: I ought to know
better than to trust labels -- even my own.
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:36:57 -0500
From: Bob Paige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
First, I think some people were raised on WIMP interfaces and are just
plain scared of text-based interfaces. Call it a mental block, but I've
seen it. . . .
Yes, conditioning may do it. But here's another obse
ost
always find my reasoning reinforced.
Back to Baloo (above), rough but right.
Wendell Cochran
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vehicle best
> known for that pattern, the Vanagon, became a cultural icon in the US
> (the hippie bus).
And not only hippies: Edsger W. Dijkstra (`Go To Statement Considered
Harmful') used a VW bus for camping trips. He named it `The Turing
Machine'.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
will be 'too difficult'.
Agreed. . . . And that brings us back to the Subject line:
Convincing etc. We can't convince 'em; we can only persuade.
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West Seattle
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:47:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Hi, I was wondering how a cd could break into pices in a cd drive?
> spin it too fast and it will explode.
>> some faster drives(48x+) will do this. some media is lower quality
>> and will explode at lower speeds th
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:35:04 +
From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 11:04:33AM -0500, Mike M
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> Certification is for PHBs only. Right? Is there any evidence other than
>> marketing blather that certification is a worthwhile endeav
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:16:50 -0800
From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:31:21AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
>> I think the stigma is changing some after many companies have been burned
>> hiring the "certified" morons. However, getting certified is never
>> neces
here ESR reports `an
entire flourishing subgenre of pictures of silly cows.'
Moo. Even mu.
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a few hours,
unplugged.
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on to a common piece of
spammistic illogic: the supertwit responsible mass-mails a blatant
proposal to skin the gullible -- then in a footnote denies that the
mesg is spam, & explains the lie with frustrating idiocy.
Reading spam endangers the victim's mental health.
Wendell Cochran
West Sea
rg/social_contract.html#guidelines
Suppose that at the end of the lending period the library demands back
only the CD _disk_ -- not the program, which has merely gone along for
the ride.
(As Huck Finn said of certain woodpiles, you could throw a dog through
that argument anywhere. Forget I mentione
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:53:48 -0600
From: "Larry Alkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Top posting so this can be clearly read. . . .
That's where I stopped reading.
~
~
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:23:18 -0800
From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 08:52:20PM -0700, Greg Ray wrote:
>> Actually I like debian but I hate this list, I used to post about 7 months
> ago but then I had to sell my server. I have been trying to get off this
>> list s
times the convention
produces awkward offspring, as in the Desmoinesian series of strata
(think Iowa, not France).
Long ago a fine auld Scot named Ian Campbell (then state geologist of
California) remarked to me that -ian was overworked, but observed
that the practice did help discourage States
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:43:59 -0500
From: will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 02:30:58AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 12:22:23AM -0500, will trillich wrote:
>>> for example, how should 'calliope' be prounounced, eh?
>>> CAL-ee-ope? sure looks that w
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:21:32 -0700
From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[SNIP]
> Debian tends toward a text / curses based installer, and config-file
> based management, rather than GUI tools. There _are_ GUI alternatives
> to both if you lean that way, but they're neither required nor
>Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:06:14 -0700
>From: Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[SNIP]
>. . . I roam to different offices and can sometimes find a windows PC in
>a cube I'm borrowing. I get permission to reboot that system and boot
>it to Knoppix and use it for awhile.
Aha. You use Knoppix in your ro
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 02:41:41 -0700
From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 07:32:27AM +1000, David Pastern wrote:
>> what i'm talking about. My former bosses opinion of Linux was that it was a
>> piece of *hit and you couldn't get any support for it, and device driver
deo card
14 Happy Hacking Lite2 kbd
15 ViewSonic P775 17" monitor legacy
16 Cirque Easy Cat touchpad "
17 3COM Courier 56K V90 modem "
18 Epson LQ-510 24-pin printer "
19 Zero Surge box "
As Kingsley Amis has pointed out, `Other people's priorities are
endlessly odd.'
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:15:45 -0700
>>> I have always disliked emacs . . .
>> emacs is simply a great editor. . . .
> This speak is opinion, deplorable, and completely blasphemous. . . .
Emacs is a tool (well, a collection of tools); vi is a tool.
A craftsman chooses the tool that best fits
mail, preferably with
proper credit.
As copyright under the Act of 1976 is automatic, a proper credit line
might read
Copyright (c) .
That's if the copyright owner will give permission.
How nice if it can be GPL'ed.
Wendell Cochran
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Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:18:48 -0700
ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On Thursday 11 April 2002 04:19 pm, Wendell Cochran wrote:
[snip]
>> http://www.expita.com/nomime/.html
>>
>> -- which is useful in explaining matters to innocent offenders.
>&g
tp://www.expita.com/nomime/.html
-- which is useful in explaining matters to innocent offenders.
It tells how HTML/MIME clash with mailing lists, & then lists more
than 2 dozen mailers each with a recipe for turning MIME/HTML off.
Wendell Cochran
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r webmasters.
Even parts-supply houses have informed me, haughtily,
that if I want to look or buy I must `upgrade' my browser.
Ream out the prospective customer! That attitude, I contend seriously,
contributed markedly to the dot-com bust.
Wendell Cochran
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Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:36:15 -0600
will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
>>On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:31:00AM -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote:
>> A calculated concentration of essential information is surely a useful
>> exercise for any novice. Then in time of
, & insert it in any post
pertinent.
Now, as I'm a _future_ Debian user: Will someone proficient in these
matters list peculiar elements most likely to be helpful in a general
case? For selfish reasons I'd like to see a template, or a practical
example.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:38:37 -0800
> From: Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[snip]
> . . . Like many, I'm coming from a Windows environment. I've got
> three linux machines under my desk and for a year now I've booted Win98
> used basically only browsers and Eudora (3.0) on my Win9
Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:44:21 +0800
csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > > > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and
> > > > > > > less someone who would formulate constructiv
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:24:26 -0600
From: Gary Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[BIG SNIP]
>>> Noise on the line could also explain the "Modem hangup" errors.
>>This diagnostic is very convincing to me since this is
>>compatible with the very chaotic behaviour of my connection.
>>(Similarl
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100
Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone
> > > > who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ...
>> i really really don't want you to construe this
> . . . Bascially i am a total
> newbie to Linux. A friend total me about it over the internet and he
> says the Debian Linux is a good Linux to start with. Well i have not
> got any idea how to install it, or how to set about . . .
All answers so far look good to me (I'm a Red Hatter, nerving
ock instructions for a general case -- can
> > you share?
> Sorry, I don't
OK, here's mine. I refer offenders (real innocents, mostly) to
http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
-- which briefly explains the evils of H.T. Emil & MIME, & then
tells how to tu
ting to people that I desire to receive
>mail from how to send "proper" email (eg not hTML etc.)
I too have been getting tough about such things. No cc:, dammit, but
bcc: Etc.
If you have boilerplate -- stock instructions for a general case -- can
you share?
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
earn when I had to learn it.
I've never regretted it. Never.
Thus you may convert sooner than you now think.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
PS Karsten M. Self would have me say that the practice in this list is
postfix: comment _below_ the mesg quoted. It reads easier that way.
t. Then the rascals sell,
rent, share, lend, trade, & otherwise broadcast their loot.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
Ask Google for 'Debian Way'.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
worse, `in the Microsoft Way.'
The word is no longer useful to the pure in heart. Let's leave it to
billg & minions.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
ist; it's nearly as ineffectual as 'Please help!'
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
Date: Dec 2001 16:19:49 -0600
Subject: Re: Newbie comments & queries
> I _am_ reading the modem-HOWTO and the wvdial README right now.
[SNIP SNIP snippety-snip]
Shouldn't Subject: specify a modem or comm problem?
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
Karsten Self recommends "How to Report Bugs Effectively" by Simon
Tatham at
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
Tatham's not only right, he's a really good writer.
Just to rub it in with soap & sandpaper, I add here that the Subject
line for bug reports (isn't that what the
by Michael Stutz (2001 No Starch / Linux
Journal). 396 p. Paperback. $30. It's slanted toward Debian users
(but I find it extremely useful for Red Hat), & gives 1500+ recipes
including many so simple & obvious that no one thinks to tell the
newbie.
You can check it out on line:
http://
[ snip ]
> I think I just answered my own question!
[ snip ]
> Peter Christensen
Moral: Carefully describing your problem may solve it.
The act of writing deters skipping & guessing, aids review, & forces
order & logic.
That's so even if you don't post the record to the list.
It's best to w
Karsten M. Self wrote:
> My PoV isn't that all advertising is evil (though the vast majority is),
but that *evil* advertising is evil.
Much advertising nowadays meets the definition of _spam_.
Advertising can sell. Alas, most Web advertising UNsells.
> With the devfsd package my cdrom settings work "automagically"; as for
> > /dev/xconsole, I found that I had to call "xconsole -file /dev/xconsole"
> > for
> > it to work.
>
> i dont have xconsole... its not in the deb archive either... do you
> think that's the problem?
I didn't have to install xconsole, it is apparently in some standard
package.I got the same
sort of messages with SuSE 7.0 when I switched to devfs, but when I got
the current version of
devfsd and configured it to save permissions, everything worked, error
messages here or there.
>
> how bout ksymoops? can i remove it?
ksymoops is a utility to decode kernel error messages, removing it seems
like a bit of a bad
idea... Does it eventually create a log file in the directory? i.e. when
the system has reached
the default run level?!
/dev/cdrom1: If mounting the dev works, either using the old or new
names, respectively, I
wouldn't worry about it.
What does /etc/modules look like?! Are you running the latest devfsd?!
Did you compile with the
kernel package tools?!
cu,
Eamon Roque.
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> What is POSIX and what does it entail ?
I wondered that myself for many months -- then thought to ask at
http://www.google.com/
I won't try to sum up here.
However, the term appears to have been coined by Richard M. Stallman,
a.k.a. RMS.
Wendell Cochran
West Seattle
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