Re: Boot / LVM best practices

2010-04-11 Thread Cecil Knutson
I have a question about how best to divide things up in the new setup. I'm thinking to replace this IDE drive with two SATA HDs. One as small as I can get. Say 100GB or so and make that the boot drive. And a second HD say 500GB or so and moving the LVM over to that. Would it be better to m

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-08 Thread Cecil Knutson
I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you saying that the installer does not recognize existing partitions already on the hard disk? Or are you saying that it won't let you create more than five partitions during installation? Or are you saying that only five different mount points

Rer: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-06 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, I did nothing about your last email because I didn't see it until after I had made the last change, but, yes, the last Lenny install was to the 8400 with a different audio card. Now the 8400 has Windows 7 Ultimate on it with the original Creative SB Live! audio card and the origin

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-03 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, > Great! Now you can do the rest of the "GNOME sound configuration", > as documented on my web site, to get the system sounds, software > sound mixing in ALSA, etc, as needed. If there is a "CD" column > in alsamixer too, you can also install cdtool and see if you can get > analog CD pl

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-02 Thread Cecil Knutson
Tony, You said there was an ATA limit of 16 partitons on Lenny, but the HD on the Dimension 8400 is a SATA. Does that make a difference? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http:

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-02 Thread Cecil Knutson
Tony, > > Modern kernels use SCSI emulation for ATA and are restricted to 16 > partitions per drive, so don't go wild here. (LVM is not affected.) > The reduced limit has been a problem for some Fedora users. The drive on the Dimension 8400 is a SATA, does that make a difference in the number

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-02 Thread Cecil Knutson
Tony, > > Modern kernels use SCSI emulation for ATA and are restricted to 16 > partitions per drive, so don't go wild here. (LVM is not affected.) > The reduced limit has been a problem for some Fedora users. But the Dell has SATA, does that make a difference in the number of partitions? --

Two Lenny problems

2010-03-02 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, Just finished installing Lenny on my Fujitsu which has on-board sound; alsamixer says: PCM (100), Surround (MM), Center (MM), LFE (MM), Side (MM), IEC958 (MM), IEC958D (00), PC Speak (100); Sound Preferences, in the Sound Capture section, has a test sound choice which produced a to

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-01 Thread Cecil Knutson
John, I have been installing Debian with multiple primary partitions since Buzz. It was never a question of Debian creating more than one primary partition. I've known that since Potato. Besides that, how would the partitions beyond 23 be addressed by any ... Linux machine, Partitions are

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-01 Thread Cecil Knutson
John, The standard pc partition scheme allows either four primary partitions or three primaries and one extended. This limitation is imposed by the scheme, not by Windows or Linux. An extended partition can contain any number of logical partitions but Linux can only address a total of 63 partit

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-01 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, In that case, are you sure I can't talk you into trying a newer kernel from backports? Granted, your sound card is old enough to be supported by the 2.6.26 kernel that is standard with Lenny, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a bug somewhere. I've seen a couple of other "no s

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-01 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, Just out of curiosity, where is "here". In other words, where are you physically located? And what type of internet connectivity do you have? async dial-up? cable modem? DSL? "Here" is Vancouver, Washington with a DSL connection through a router/hub with Qwest. In PA I had FiOS

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-27 Thread Cecil Knutson
Lisi, Sorry, again. I haven't much experience with the list, so I don't know what courtesies are expected. I hope you have seen that Stephen, Florian, and I were not able to resolve the sound problem in spite of the massive help Stephen gave. I think I will try Stephen's suggestion to sw

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-27 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, I was going to suggest trying a different sound card on your existing system. But it's your call. That is a good idea. I'll look to see what I have. Am I right to assume that the installation will have to be repeated in order to get the sound card recognized and configured? Y

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Cecil Knutson
ore. I have been repairing systems for over twenty years, and the fun is gone. Now it is just frustrating as hell to get new technology that isn't any more capable, stable nor secure (in my experience) than the old. Feces!! Many thanks, again. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debi

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Cecil Knutson
Florian, Sorry it took so long for me to realize I did not respond to your last email. Here are the outputs of amixer and aplay. dimension8400:/home/cecil# amixer Simple mixer control 'Line in',0 Capabilities: cvolume Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Captu

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-25 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, Aptitude was updated; the alsa-firmware-loaders installed; dpkg reconfigured alsa base and alsa utils; no PCM in alsamixer. I don't remember saying this before, so excuse me if it is being repeated, when I had Ubuntu 9.10 installed, there were two times that the sound worked aft

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-24 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, Excuse me, I did not complete the assignment last time, alsa-utils and cdtool are both installed. They are shown in Synaptic as being installed and, when I issued the dpkg-query command for them, they were identified just as was alsa-base. I didn't realize that separate co

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-23 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, This is the second time I have replied, but I don't see the reply on the list, so here it goes again. "Local" is in the /etc/modprobe.d directory; it has the right contents; modprobe.conf does not exist; the "cat" command does show the contents of the file, but I don't see anything

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Cecil Knutson
Yes, Lisi, I did see the later post telling me to use Kwrite as root. I don't see it on the applications menu, so I guess I will have to install it. How do I use it as root? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Cecil Knutson
Thanks, Stephen. I've made several mistakes: was in Krusader when I double-clicked "blacklist"; assumed that SU-ing in a terminal rendered all that follows as root activity. So, I opened a terminal; SU'd; CD'd to /etc/modprobe.d; issued the command "nano local"; typed in the line: blacklis

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-21 Thread Cecil Knutson
No, I have never searched for anything in a web page. Didn't know it could be done, didn't look for it. Opera does the same, did it, found it, read it, opened a terminal, SU'd, cd'd to /etc/modprobe.d, saw "blacklist", double-clicked it and opened it with Kword, modified the file by addin

RE: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-21 Thread Cecil Knutson
dimension8400:/home/cecil# grep '.*' /proc/asound/* /proc/asound/card?/* /proc/asound/cards: 0 [CA0106 ]: CA0106 - CA0106 /proc/asound/cards: Live! 7.1 24bit [SB0413] at 0xcce0 irq 17 /proc/asound/cards: 1 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 /proc/as

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Cecil Knutson
Blacklist, hell, I removed it. I'm using a network connection and never use a modem anyway. Same number and kind of columns in alsamixer. I went over your installation instructions just to see if blacklisting would make a difference and did not find anything about blacklisting. Where is it

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Cecil Knutson
dimension8400:/home/cecil# lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82925X/XE Memory Controller Hub (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82925X/XE PCI Express Root Port (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev

RE: Two Lenny Problems

2010-02-19 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, here is the output of lsmod: Module Size Used by binfmt_misc 7560 1 radeon118720 2 drm65288 3 radeon agpgart28808 1 drm ppdev 6468 0 lp 8164 0 ipv6

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Cecil Knutson
Stephen, here is the output of lsmod: Module Size Used by binfmt_misc 7560 1 radeon118720 2 drm65288 3 radeon agpgart28808 1 drm ppdev 6468 0 lp 8164 0 ipv6

Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Cecil Knutson
How would I find out if something else is wrong with the installation? I've gone through the "Testing" section of your page to no avail. Alsamixer on this machine does not have any settings for CD, FM, nor DSP. It has IEC958 C,F,R; Analog C,F,R,S and Capture. I set them all for 100% a

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-17 Thread Cecil Knutson
Thanks, Stephen!! Got Opera installed after getting to the right directory, getting the syntax correct, and eliminating a spurious directory. Am using it now. I tried Epiphany and Iceweasel and both would hang forever just trying to go to debian.org or hp.com!! I installed Konqueror and

Two Lenny problems

2010-02-17 Thread Cecil Knutson
work? The second problem concerns installing Opera 10.10. I downloaded the Debian-Linux version of Opera 10.10 (opera_10.10.4742.gcc4.qt3_i386) to the /home/cecil folder, opened a terminal window, issued an install command (install opera_10.10.4742gcc4.qt3_i386 /home/cecil), and nothing

Re: Debian Etch Install

2009-12-20 Thread Cecil Knutson
ks for the help. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Debian Etch Install

2009-12-19 Thread Cecil Knutson
w long it would sit like that, but it sits for over 15 minutes. I began to suspect the partitioner, as it seemed to format 160GB in record time. I have never seen any drive format as quickly. Anyone have any ideas as to what could be happening? Thanks. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Re: No Screens Found

2005-07-28 Thread Cecil Knutson
So, my question to Cecil; have you tried the vesa driver instead of the nv driver? Any change? Yes, I did try the vesa driver and startx fails with the same error Cecil -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROT

Re: No Screens Found

2005-07-28 Thread Cecil Knutson
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:47:49 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sorry, should have guessed. Are your machine's networked? can they be? ssh saved my butt last week as my Trident card doesn't work with current (at that time) x.org and left my screen unreadable, even the virt

No Screens Found

2005-07-23 Thread Cecil
- Original Message - From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cecil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Debian-User Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: No Screens Found > I've never seen "Display" like this. I think those depths should be >

No Screens Found

2005-07-21 Thread Cecil
somaybe after X starts, we can go into those. Thanks. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Flat kitty problem

2004-11-16 Thread Cecil
I apologize for confusion here. I have an existing email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I think it would be funny to have people be able to send me email to the address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get it at my [EMAIL PROTECTED] address. I do not presently have this address. However, when I

A better title

2004-11-16 Thread Cecil
Because of sheer boredom, I'd like to be able to setup my linux box to be able to somehow route stuff in such a way that email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ends up in my linux box via fetchmail or maybe even kmail. Am I lookng in the wrong direction for this? I'd like to be able to hide my real email

Help my deviant desire!

2004-11-16 Thread Cecil
Because of sheer boredom, I'd like to be able to setup my linux box to be able to somehow route stuff in such a way that email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ends up in my linux box via fetchmail or maybe even kmail. Am I lookng in the wrong direction for this? I'd like to be able to hide my real email

ok, here goes nothing...

2004-07-07 Thread Cecil
a cdrom or a ton of linux experience. Please, someone help! Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is this possible?

2004-07-02 Thread cecil
Can you install debian by detting up a single boot floppy? Have it boot, setup pcmcia, and then use a pcmcia network card to do a net install? Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Visual C++?????

2004-06-29 Thread cecil
He says we will only use Ansi C++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Visual C++?????

2004-06-29 Thread cecil
? The new head of the department is English! I know it doesn't matter, but he's funny as hell. Very much a lighthearted guy. I had him before. Anyway... Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format

2004-06-27 Thread cecil
cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil Maybe I should get a different laptop? Is a 150 mhz machine with 2 gig hd and 32

Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format

2004-06-27 Thread cecil
cecil wrote: I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil And on top of that, I read further, and I need to submit also a screen shot of

Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format

2004-06-27 Thread cecil
I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

How hard would this be?(Learning LaTex)

2004-06-26 Thread cecil
gs. I'm trying not to summarily dismiss thing just because I don't know what they are, or, are not familiar with them. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well, time to cut to the bone...

2004-06-26 Thread cecil
of simple office suite also, I guess. Cecil Hey, it only cost me 71 bucks for it; it's hard to beat that for a school computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Anybody use a Winbook fx?

2004-06-23 Thread Cecil
de word processing program. I guess I may have to learn EMACS. Any thoughts? I'm excited; now if I can just come up with the cash for tuition and books(its nuts, it really is!) Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wierd Question

2004-06-23 Thread Cecil
Or a specific language. Major in C++, and minor in assembly. Things like that. Major in a scripting language. Bash major, Perl minor. Am I just nuts or does this excite anyone else? Does it even exist? If it did, I'd go there, and not back to college. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAI

Re: 3 gigs enough?

2004-06-21 Thread Cecil
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 01:33:25PM -0500, Cecil wrote: | Ok... Is there a lighter ide? UNIX /is/ the IDE. vim, ctags, make/ant, ls, find, grep, gcc/g++/python/jikes/java etc., etc. Don't limit yourself to just the "all-in-one-and-makes-toast-too&q

Re: 3 gigs enough?

2004-06-21 Thread Cecil
Ok... Is there a lighter ide? Will I be reduced to using MOTOR? Will Anjuta or Kdevelop be lighter on the system? Or should I just do it by hand? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

3 gigs enough?

2004-06-21 Thread Cecil
hd be too small? Will the processor slow me down? I will not be ripping mp3s, I will not be playing games. Just coding and basic internet useage. Any opinions? Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What am I doing wrong(Motor unresponsive)

2004-06-20 Thread cecil
I tried to start using motor today. But I could never actually get off that silly menu bar to code... I just kept going from 1 option to the next, left to right, right to left. How do I get down so I can actually do something? I tried escape, I tried rab... I even rtfm. No dice. Cecil

Linux working with/on Alphasmart Dana?

2004-06-19 Thread cecil
, has anyone ever actually PUT linux on such a device? I have contacted the company and they won't even release the software needed to make the device work(modified version of Windows Palm OS Desktop) on their web site. www.alphasmart.com Any ideas from yall? Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Setting up a printer

2004-06-17 Thread cecil
Can someone point me to a page where I can setup my printer? I have downloaded what I think are the appropriate packages. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: xmms strangeness

2004-06-17 Thread cecil
Jacob S. wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:25:35 -0500 cecil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jacob S. wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:37:07 -0500 Cecil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rene 'RvB' van Bevern wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cecil wro

Re: xmms strangeness

2004-06-17 Thread cecil
Jacob S. wrote: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:37:07 -0500 Cecil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rene 'RvB' van Bevern wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cecil wrote: What do I need to do to get my music back? You need to tell us the last message f

Re: xmms strangeness

2004-06-17 Thread Cecil
Rene 'RvB' van Bevern wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cecil wrote: What do I need to do to get my music back? You need to tell us the last message from xmms. (start it from a terminal window) Rene -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4

Re: xmms strangeness

2004-06-17 Thread Cecil
Rene 'RvB' van Bevern wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cecil wrote: What do I need to do to get my music back? You need to tell us the last message from xmms. (start it from a terminal window) Rene -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4

xmms strangeness

2004-06-17 Thread Cecil
I usually listen to winamp shoutcasts with my xmms. But after i upgraded to testing(I do it every now and then), suddenly, no more xmmx. I can see it pops up for a split second and then shuts down again. Netscape shows it playing(on the downloaded files window). What do I need to do to get my m

What irc software?

2004-06-16 Thread Cecil
Being fairly new to linux, I need to know what irc program is generally considered to be the best by most people. even better if it was a combo proggie that had aim, msn, yahoo, etc in it too... Sorry yall, i'm new. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subje

what do i need to install???

2004-06-15 Thread Cecil
I have installed my nvidia driver problem free before... But now when i try to get my kernel headers, it says it cant find them. I have updated... And I am running testing. Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.6-1-386 Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subje

Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?

2004-06-14 Thread Cecil
I am curious as to what the pros and cons would be of picking just one desktop and deleting the other. Please tell me which you prefer, and resons why. I have bothe kde and gnome now. Thanks, Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: Please advise me...

2004-06-12 Thread Cecil
On Saturday 12 June 2004 11:05 pm, Kent West wrote: > Cecil wrote: > >But how does OS X perform for the following things: > > > >Coding(various languages and sorts of apps) > > Not being a coder, I can't speak to this. > > >Can I run linux apps on it? >

Re: Please advise me...

2004-06-12 Thread Cecil
On Saturday 12 June 2004 08:33 pm, dircha wrote: > Cecil wrote: > > I will be buying a new laptop for school. I would like to wipe windows > > off and put just debian on. I need a laptop that linux has full support > > for. I plan to make this purchase within the next

MicroWhat Winwhat???

2004-06-12 Thread Cecil
ll over my drive... If I had tried this on my windows box it would have froze up. Why does debian get this weird rap where folks treat users of that didtro like they are a cult? I've read some almost offensive material on those lines... Is it just me? Or does everyone love their lin boxes th

Re: Please advise me...

2004-06-12 Thread Cecil
eyboard/Mac OS X - U.S. English â 14.1-inch TFT XGA display â 1GHz PowerPC G4 â ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 w/ 32MB DDR video memory Subtotal $1,398.00 They seem neck and neck! Cecil

Re: Please advise me...

2004-06-12 Thread Cecil
On Saturday 12 June 2004 03:20 pm, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 the mental interface of > > Cecil told: > > I will be buying a new laptop for school. I would like to wipe windows > > off and put just debian on. I need a laptop that linux has full support &g

Please advise me...

2004-06-12 Thread Cecil
pretty pricy. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i screwed up my apt-sources file(cont)

2004-06-11 Thread cecil
Can someone just copy and paste a working "testing" sorces file. And then when its all back to normal I just wont mess with it anymore, I promise! I am scared to screw up my system... lol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PRO

i screwed up my apt-sources file

2004-06-11 Thread cecil
/ unstable main deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/testing main this is what happens: debian:/home/cecil# apt-get update Err http://security.debian.org stable/testing/main Packages 404 Not Found Ign http://security.debian.org stable/te

Console only box?

2004-06-10 Thread cecil
full functionality, just no X or X progs? Cecil? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

where is the 2.6 kernel source tree located?

2004-06-10 Thread cecil
I need to know so the nvidia driver can install. Anyone know? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Im reposting because it didn't send

2004-06-08 Thread Cecil
ter. I'm a rank beginner, but maybe one day I can contribute to the project. Have a good day, all, and thanks for reading. Cecil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]