Re: Configuring multiple IP addresses on VLAN interface using ifupdown

2013-10-18 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Chris Davies ch...@roaima.co.uk wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: iface eth3.77 inet static address 10.0.5.15 iface eth3.77 inet static address 10.0.5.16 The Debian documentation at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html

Re: Configuring multiple IP addresses on VLAN interface using ifupdown

2013-10-18 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Steffen Dettmer wrote: I'd like to configure multiple IP addresses to a VLAN tagged interface. I tried auto eth3.107 iface eth3.77 inet static address 10.0.5.15 netmask 255.255.255.0 iface

Re: Configuring multiple IP addresses on VLAN interface using ifupdown

2013-10-18 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: eth0:1 is an alias. ummm... no, eth0:1 is a virtual interface riding on top of a physical one (eth0 being

apt-get ou aptitude?

2013-10-17 Thread Shutdown -h now
Caros, Há um tempo atrás ouvi dizer que a família de utilitários apt vai dar lugar exclusivamente ao aptitude no futuro. Verdade ou mentira, resolvi estudar e comecei a usar o aptitude, até então inédito pra mim. Consigo realizar as mesmas operações que fazia quando com apt-get, e sem

Re: apt-get ou aptitude?

2013-10-17 Thread Shutdown -h now
de outubro de 2013 13:01, Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.comescreveu: Caros, Há um tempo atrás ouvi dizer que a família de utilitários apt vai dar lugar exclusivamente ao aptitude no futuro. Verdade ou mentira, resolvi estudar e comecei a usar o aptitude, até então inédito pra mim. Consigo

Re: apt-get ou aptitude?

2013-10-17 Thread Shutdown -h now
... Abs Em 17 de outubro de 2013 13:01, Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.com escreveu: Caros, Há um tempo atrás ouvi dizer que a família de utilitários apt vai dar lugar exclusivamente ao aptitude no futuro. Verdade ou mentira, resolvi estudar e comecei a usar o aptitude

Re: Característica da lista

2013-10-17 Thread Shutdown -h now
Apenas a título de informação, Sempre que eu respondo, eu substituo o endereço do meu remetente pelo endereço da lista, pra que eu receba apenas apenas uma resposta. Abraços Em 17 de outubro de 2013 15:25, Thiago Henrique Ferreira Zoroastro thiagozoroas...@riseup.net escreveu: Percebendo

Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement

2013-10-17 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:00 AM, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:00:19 +0100 Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: This isn't really a safe assumption. There have been transitions in the past (such as udev) where the dist-upgrade should be performed as: * Update

Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement

2013-10-16 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 03:54:06PM +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:46:40 +0200 Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de wrote: What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? Can I

LAN Recognition Problem

2013-10-16 Thread Thomas H. George
I have two computers connected to the LAN, one my desktop running Wheezy and the other a RaspberryPi running Wheezy-Raspbian. The RaspberryPi can successfully ping all the devices on the LAN, the desktop, the printer, the gateway. It immediately found the desktop's hostname and sucessfully pings

Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement

2013-10-16 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: I plan to use Debian on a virtual server where I can't control the kernel version, that is 2.6.32. What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? I am using

Re: LAN Recognition Problem

2013-10-16 Thread Thomas H. George
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 08:58:36PM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Hi On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:53:52PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: I have two computers connected to the LAN, one my desktop running Wheezy and the other a RaspberryPi running Wheezy-Raspbian. The RaspberryPi can

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-14 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11

Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created

2013-10-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Jesse Molina je...@opendreams.net wrote: On 10/12/13 2:40 AM, Jesse Molina wrote: I have a Debian unstable host which successfully boots from the linux-image-3.10-1-amd64 kernel package. However, I recently installed the linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 kernel

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-13 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: 2. I base my preseed.cfg

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-12 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.10.2013 00:46, Tom H a écrit : Did you notice the could've? Ermm... no, sorry :) did not noticed :/ Pas de soucis! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-12 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: MATE can

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-12 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:10 PM, msl09 contams...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Have you filed a bug report about aptitude breaking apt (whatever that means!) or is this just FUD? No, I have

Re: linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 unbootable: /dev/disk/by-uuid not created

2013-10-12 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jesse Molina je...@opendreams.net wrote: On 10/12/13 8:22 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Jesse Molina wrote: I have a Debian unstable host which successfully boots from the linux-image-3.10-1-amd64 kernel package. However, I recently installed the

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: 1. Being on dialup, I use a purchased copy of the 10 DVD set for installation. My preseed.cfg is on a USB stick. I use the Automated install option. Pressing TAB allows me to specify the file location. Of course it

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 16:47 +0300, Alex Moonshine wrote: I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE. MATE from upstream does conflict with other software.

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Have you considered NAS? No way! What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection? GVFS is absolutely optional software. You only ever consider things from your limited use-case but upstream developers and

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-common-software meme! Soneone said

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: You've also complained in this thread and previously about compliance with green drives. I could've

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Have you considered NAS? No way! What's wrong with NAS

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: 2. I base my preseed.cfg on the example at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt . Near the end

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-10-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote: It seems newer hardware is much more problematic in this sense. I think MS ovecomes this difficulty by somehow attaching a signature for each device. I don't have the details, don't know the pros and cons. On a UEFI box,

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. What is the current

Re: Mail logs missing in wheezy

2013-10-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:19:30 -0700, David Guntner What things are logged where is controlled by the /etc/rsyslog.conf file. man rsyslog.conf for more information about the layout of the file. Here's an extract from

Re: Debian installer and raid0

2013-10-09 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.com wrote: I hope not to bother beyond the limit, but the security of mirror raid is something of utmost importance, at least in my work of biochemist, with very limited ability in recovering from disk failures. I planned to

Re: loop back iptables

2013-10-09 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, james gray kmz...@gmail.com wrote: working with Debian 7.0 working with the examples at https://wiki.debian.org/iptables when i write a example for a lo0 table as shown -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT and follow procedure of iptables-restore file-name i do

Re: trouble exporting NFS in wheezy

2013-10-09 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Ross Boylan r...@biostat.ucsf.edu wrote: I have a fresh install of wheezy and am attempting to export some directories. It's not working, judging from showmount. I've tried various things and searched, but haven't found anything. I have not touched

Re: curiosity: quoting in /etc/default

2013-10-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Ross Boylan r...@biostat.ucsf.edu wrote: I was a little surprised to find that I needed to quote my variable definitions in /etc/default, at least for nfs-kernel-server. RPCMOUNTDOPTS=--manage-gids --no-nfs-version 4 works, but RPCMOUNTDOPTS=--manage-gids

Re: trouble exporting NFS in wheezy

2013-10-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Ross Boylan rossboy...@stanfordalumni.org wrote: Thank you. I guess I didn't RTFM closely enough! You're welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: network/bridging problems

2013-10-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Ross Boylan r...@biostat.ucsf.edu wrote: I setup bridging on my system for kvm, but on restart of the host system (no guest VM's running) could not ping outside my local network. Bringing the bridge down corrected the problem, but I'm trying to understand

Re: network/bridging problems

2013-10-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Ross Boylan rossboy...@stanfordalumni.org wrote: Arun made a suggestion that Your 'physical' device eth0/eth2 or whatever needs to be added to the bridge. I believe that is done by the /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup script that is executed when I launch the virtual machine.

Re: network/bridging problems

2013-10-06 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Arun made a suggestion that Your 'physical' device eth0/eth2 or whatever needs to be added to the bridge. I believe that is done by the /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup script that is executed when I launch the virtual machine. I think

Re: Debian installer and raid0

2013-10-06 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.com wrote: Did you use a recent version of the installer? What I would like to know - before reinstalling everything on my servers - is whether the option to set grub on both disks of raid 0 has now been introduced. No. --

Re: Debian installer and raid0

2013-10-06 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.com wrote: Did you use a recent version of the installer? What I would like to know - before reinstalling everything on my servers - is whether the option

Re: Debian installer and raid0

2013-10-06 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.com wrote: recall that it has been added with Wheezy. But let me put forward that it doesn't really matter. If you have RAID then you know you want grub on both disks. After installing simply run the grub install script

Re: network/bridging problems

2013-10-06 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Ross Boylan rossboy...@stanfordalumni.org wrote: I removed network manager and have this in /etc/network/interaces: # eth2 managed by bridge and not otherwise mentioned auto br0 iface br0 inet dhcp bridge_ports eth2 That seems to work with the kvm-ifup

Re: Quero usar o Debian mas com pacotes mais atualizados

2013-10-01 Thread Shutdown -h now
+ 1 pela explicação! Abraços Em 28 de setembro de 2013 00:51, Samuel Henrique samuel...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá! Amigo, sugiro que você faça uma leitura sobre as diferenças entre o Debian Stable, Testing, Unstable e Experimental[1]. Pois vai lhe ajudar a entender o meu texto. Antes de

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-30 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:06:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote: On Fri, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:34:56 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote

Re: Building computer

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote: On 26 September 2013 22:22, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: (I've compiled a kernel on a netbook; you'd better have a few hours to spare...) Questions for people who compile kernel and their machines: How long a considered fast

Re: Building computer

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Catherine Gramze rhia...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: I'd call it obscure rather than magical. Any sufficiently obscure technique is indistinguishable from magic - (my apologies to Arthur C. Clark

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 19:07 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: Traditional device names, such as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, (and therefore the partitions on those devices, such as /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc.) are not assigned

Re: Re: Building computer

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:38 AM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com wrote: On 13Sep26:2109-0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Balamurugan emailstorb...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 13:34 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 19:07 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: Traditional device names

Re: systemd plans

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Main Backup vvb.bac...@rambler.ru wrote: I just want to ask two simple questions about debian future. 1. Will systemd default init system in future? 2. Why I just can't purge systemd-*** in my system now? I don't want it. I don't need it. I hate it by my

Re: systemd plans

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: I'll guess that you want one of the BSD variants or the Debian kFreeBSD variant as systemd is Linux only as I understand it. And FreeBSD'll switch to launchd and Vadim'll switch to Windows 9. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote: On Fri, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:34:56 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 19:07 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: Traditional device names, such as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb

Re: systemd plans

2013-09-27 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:02 PM, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:27:19 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: libsystemd-login0 is the replacement of consolekit (which has been deprecated) and is used for tracking sessions. Using it doesn't mean that you're using systemd

Re: Re: Building computer

2013-09-26 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Balamurugan emailstorb...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-26 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:01 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 21:47 -0400, Tom H wrote: I thought that Arch's policy was to package the latest vanilla upstream versions. Correct! So why are you claiming that they've forked Evolution

Re: Building computer

2013-09-26 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 9/26/2013 5:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:52 PM, Catherine Gramze wrote: Stan, joking aside, are there any AMD processors

Re: Building computer

2013-09-26 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 08:11:31PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: This is regarding the question of what computer hardware to buy that will work with debian, given that store-bought computers were a problem this latest time. First,

Re: DEVTMPFS, DEVTMPFS_MOUNT, custom no initrd kernel, udev 175-7.2 and 204-4

2013-09-26 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote: The following's what I've understood from #722604... In view of http://bugs.debian.org/722580 and http://bugs.debian.org/722604: A machine with: - a custom, non initrd, linux image - udev 175-7.2 - no

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-26 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote: Now, considering that an initrd requires a lot more software, I think that an initrd should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. A lot more software?! Installing initramfs-tools will just pull in klibc-utils, libklibc, and

Re: Building computer

2013-09-26 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Catherine Gramze rhia...@gmail.com wrote: I contacted MSI to ask if they made a motherboard I could use. Here is the exchange: Me: I want to purchase a motherboard for a Linux computer. I would prefer one that would accept the new Haswell processor. The BIOS

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-25 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: You missed to understand the irony :D. No, I'm kidding now. Indeed, Arch Linux forked Evolution, called the fork Evolution too and messed up quoting for Evolution. This is the policy of Arch Linux, to make broken

Re: any utility to change ip

2013-09-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Pascal Hambourg pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org wrote: Bob Proulx a écrit : OT Rant: It annoys me that recent Linux kernels reverse the order of the route lines. Previously it would have been scanned from top to bottom and the first line matching wins. But now it is

Re: Long delays caused by rpcinfo

2013-09-24 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: David Parker wrote: I have confirmed that rpc.statd is running, which I believe is the port mapper in newer distributions. AFAIK rpc.statd is not a portmapper replacement. The two portmapper equivalents that I am aware of

Re: any utility to change ip

2013-09-24 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 9/20/2013 4:21 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 17 iul 13, 18:43:22, Gary Dale wrote: ifconfig can be used to both query and change the ip addresses of network interfaces on your machine. Used with no arguments,

Re: Ambientes gráficos: um fator atrativo para novos usuários

2013-09-23 Thread Shutdown -h now
um mundo a se mostrar, e acho que o Gnome Shell deveria está nessa lista, ele foge um pouco do habitual, devido sua interface espacial, mas com o tempo tudo se adequa, e você ganha em produtividade, na minha humilde opinião. Em 20 de setembro de 2013 18:04, Shutdown -h

Re: Ambientes gráficos: um fator atrativo para novos usuários

2013-09-21 Thread Shutdown -h now
habitual, devido sua interface espacial, mas com o tempo tudo se adequa, e você ganha em produtividade, na minha humilde opinião. Em 20 de setembro de 2013 18:04, Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.comescreveu: Thiago, Vale lembrar que pra maioria dos novos usuários pouco

Re: Ambientes gráficos: um fator atrativo para novos usuários

2013-09-21 Thread Shutdown -h now
Amigo, Não confunda o suporte pago da RedHat com o preço de aquisição do sistema operacional. O valor que a empresa gasta com o RedHat é uma garantia, majoritariamente psicológica, de que tudo continuará funcionando corretamente. Muitas empresas, no entanto, usam CentOS, que é exatamente igual

Re: Ambientes gráficos: um fator atrativo para novos usuários

2013-09-20 Thread Shutdown -h now
Thiago, Vale lembrar que pra maioria dos novos usuários pouco importa se uma determinada interface gráfica possui trechos de código proprietário ou se faz parte do projeto GNU. Eu acredito que a mudança de pensamento para toda a filosofia do software livre é gradual para a maioria daqueles que

Re: Ambientes gráficos: um fator atrativo para novos usuários

2013-09-20 Thread Shutdown -h now
etc). Emfin tem um mundo a se mostrar, e acho que o Gnome Shell deveria está nessa lista, ele foge um pouco do habitual, devido sua interface espacial, mas com o tempo tudo se adequa, e você ganha em produtividade, na minha humilde opinião. Em 20 de setembro de 2013 18:04, Shutdown -h

Re: Internet do celular no Debian.

2013-09-16 Thread Shutdown -h now
Amigo, Não sei se isso foge ao escopo do que você precisa, mas uma alternativa seria configurar o seu celular como access point (AP), compartilhando assim, a sua coexão com seu computador. (Se você não tiver interface de rede sem fio em seu computador, verifique se o celular consegue compartilhar

Re: Daily downloads with apt / aptitude?

2013-09-15 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Dom to...@rpdom.net wrote: On 15/09/13 08:58, thunders...@loop.de wrote: Related to this thing another question: Is there already a debian way, to force those new downloaded packages to install, when the system is being shutdown by the user? (Similar like

Re: How to eliminate these 'Script ETH1START is broken'

2013-09-13 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM, John W. Foster jfoster81...@gmail.com wrote: How to get rid of these messages; System is working fine, but I get these now and then when installing or uninstalling debian apps insserv: Script ETH1START is broken: incomplete LSB comment. insserv: missing

Re: nm eth0 connection(2)

2013-09-13 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:14:07AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 07:47:10AM -0400, Tom H wrote: What's the output of nm-tool cat /etc

Re: nm eth0 connection(2)

2013-09-12 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 07:47:10AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: Running updated wheezy on a thinkpad T420i w/ xfce DE. With great embarrassment, after stoutly

Re: nm eth0 connection

2013-09-12 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 08:15:35AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:48

Re: nm eth0 connection

2013-09-12 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 08:15:35AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:48:03PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Re: vanilla kernel + firmware

2013-09-12 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent debian laurent.deb...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry stan but this is ... not helping. Maybe I should rephrase my question. Is there any chance that the build I perform can [Experience Kernel oops due to the ] lack [of] some firmwares ? Le 12/09/2013 03:00,

Re: nm eth0 connection

2013-09-11 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: Running updated wheezy on a thinkpad T420i w/ xfce DE. With great embarrassment, after stoutly defending nm, eth0 no longer connects. This only happens when I run wheezy. The connection is fine when I run the other distros

Re: linux's make oldconfig: Save in addition to [N/m/y/?], and ctrl-[C/\] to abort

2013-09-11 Thread Tom H
mean the yes pipe that Tom H tomh ... gmail.com was referring to ealier in this thread? But you can not get a thoughtful config file by that manner. I mean, I don't want a kernel with lots of features I don't need. And I am trying to both config the kernel AND learn what new features

Re: nm eth0 connection

2013-09-11 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:48:03PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Holtzm hol...@cox.net wrote: Running updated wheezy on a thinkpad T420i w/ xfce DE. With great embarrassment, after

Re: avoid starting a program during reboot

2013-09-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:16 AM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start some program, such as apache server, during reboot, shall I simply remove it from /etc/init.d/ ? haha ... is it a bit brutal? or lack elegance? update-rc.d init.d_script_name disable will do this

Re: linux's make oldconfig: Save in addition to [N/m/y/?], and ctrl-[C/\] to abort

2013-09-07 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote: I find it useful to have the kernel configuration automatically pointing out only the NEW kernel configuration options. Quite often, the kernel's $ make oldconfig takes a long time. In particular, when I am trying to

Re: ip tuntap del

2013-09-06 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Anyone know why ip tuntap del requires the mode? # ifconfig tapz tapz: error fetching interface information: Device not found # ip tuntap add mode tap tapz # ifconfig tapz tapz Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr

Re: Re: tri-boot debian, debian-without-dm, and windows with newer debian using partitions from older debian?

2013-09-06 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Gregory Nowak g...@gregn.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 03:55:51PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: This was already mentioned. The answer is ctrl+alt+f1 through ctrl+alt+f6 by default. Let me clarify. Unlike in some other distributions (slackware comes to

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Anyone know why I get this: $ dpkg-query --list vim-athena Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 09:33:27PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Anyone know why I get this: $ dpkg-query --list vim-athena Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 9/2/13, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Anyone know why I get this: $ dpkg-query --list vim-athena Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 9/2/13, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Anyone know why I get this: $ dpkg-query --list vim-athena Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold

Re: Setting up apt when have mixture of testing, sid and experimental

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote: Have you run apt-get update and {,dist-}upgraded? Are you using pinning? Are the liborc-* packages pinned to testing

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2013-09-02, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: AFAICT, the un output of -l for vim-athena is because it's listed in the Recommends field of vim-common, so it's recognized as a package. It seems to me, from what I can discern on my

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 9/3/13, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2013-09-02, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: AFAICT, the un output of -l for vim-athena is because it's listed in the Recommends field of vim-common, so it's recognized

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2013-09-02, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Then vim-dbg and chromium-browser-dbg should also get un Where or how do you get no package description for those packages? What command are you using? dpkg -l -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2013-09-02, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: I actually thought the same for a bit, but apt-cache show vim-athena seems to show description just fine. Well, I'm not getting the same output as you for the same packages, and

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2013-09-02, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Where or how do you get no package description for those packages? What command are you using? dpkg -l curty@einstein:~$ dpkg -l vim-dbg No packages found matching vim-dbg. curty

Re: dpkg-query - package unpacked, no version ???

2013-09-02 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2013-09-02, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Does apt-cache show vim-common list vim-athena on the Recommends: line? Yes it does. It also shows vim-gnome. So I only see one pattern here, although I'm not taking much time

Re: tty1-6, gdm3, xdm, gnome, Gigabyte mb - many problems - Solved

2013-09-02 Thread Thomas H. George
apt-get install fglrx-driver has solved the problem. I had overlooked a message at the start of bootup stating a radeon nonfree display package might be required. (Its on the screen very briefly - it took me three reboots to read it). The notes on the fglrx-driver actually suggest trying the

Re: tty1-6, gdm3, xdm, gnome, Gigabyte mb - many problems - Solved, Not Entirely

2013-09-02 Thread Thomas H. George
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 01:54:42PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: apt-get install fglrx-driver has solved the problem. I had overlooked a message at the start of bootup stating a radeon nonfree display package might be required. (Its on the screen very briefly - it took me three reboots

Re: Setting up apt when have mixture of testing, sid and experimental

2013-09-01 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running Debian GNU/Linux SID. My sources.list is: deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/

Re: tty1-6, gdm3, xdm, gnome, Gigabyte mb - many problems, little help

2013-08-31 Thread Thomas H. George
Still trying to solve this problem I ran two straces. strace -f -e trace=open,read /etc/init.d/xdm restart This trace ends xdm is not the default manager after reading /usr/sbin/xdm from the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager. There is no file xdm in /usr/sbin/ although xdm is installed.

Re: tty1-6, gdm3, xdm, gnome, Gigabyte mb - many problems

2013-08-30 Thread Thomas H. George
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:37:04AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/30/13, Thomas H. George li...@tomgeorge.info wrote: Problem: On initial bootup there is a message that gdm3 is not fully installed, probably a hardware problem. (The Gigabyte mb has onboard video AMD Radeon HD 6310

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