On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
[..]
Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms
to use, study, and modify the software.
How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not
afford it in the first place?
During
Chris Jones wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms
to use, study, and modify the software.
How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not
afford it in the first place?
The cost is not a monetary
In 20101117172626.gb30...@turki.gavron.org, Chris Jones wrote:
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
[..]
Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms
to use, study, and modify the software.
How would one ‘use, study, and modify the
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just
reasonable distribution costs) is compatible.
Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible.
Charging for a license is not.
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On 11/17/2010 3:16 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just
reasonable distribution costs) is compatible.
Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible.
Charging for a license is not.
Mark Allums writes:
I expect RMS would disagree, but in real terms, what's happening is
when you get a copy, you agree to the terms of the license, or don't
use it.
No license is required to use your copy (in the USA).
The copy comes with baggage, and charging for one means charging for
the
On 11/17/2010 4:20 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums writes:
I expect RMS would disagree, but in real terms, what's happening is
when you get a copy, you agree to the terms of the license, or don't
use it.
No license is required to use your copy (in the USA).
The copy comes with baggage,
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 15:16:34 John Hasler wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just
reasonable distribution costs) is compatible.
Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible.
Charging for a
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 10/28/2010 11:25 AM:
In 4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón.
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/28/2010 5:56 PM:
But, but, but... cheap replacement manufacturers are pure of heart and
only want the best for us!!!
Gasp!! The HP would get more profit!!!
Beware. This is what you will get when you rebut Ron's statements,
proving some of his points incorrect,
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
... This tactic is expected of left wing political hacks
on sites like salon.com or moveon.org, but on debian user? I thought we
deal in technical facts here.
...
Should we take a poll? Is Ron Johnson
A. A 50 something 'ish IT veteran as he claims
B. A 20
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:50:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
One of the tenets of FOSS is a free or low cost alternative to
commercial software.
Free Software has *never* been about cost.
Not for the developers, but it certainly has been for many users of it.
I really hope cost is not the
Camaleón put forth on 10/29/2010 5:29 AM:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:50:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I really hope cost is not the only thing users take as their own scale
for going FLOSS.
My comments related to the reasons users choose FOSS. _One of them_
certainly is cost.
Emphasis
Dne, 29. 10. 2010 12:29:03 je Camaleón napisal(a):
Here in Spain, MS is reaching agreements with schools and public
institutions in order to provide almost at free of cost (just a
symbolic
fee) their products (Windows, MS Office...). And the agreement also
includes staff training and tech
On Friday 29 October 2010 04:50:50 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 10/28/2010 11:25 AM:
I suggest against using toner or ink jet cartridges that are not
certified by the printer manufacturer since my experience has shown them
to be inferior products. Most often,
On 10/29/2010 06:24 AM, Klistvud wrote:
Dne, 29. 10. 2010 12:29:03 je Camaleón napisal(a):
Here in Spain, MS is reaching agreements with schools and public
institutions in order to provide almost at free of cost (just a
symbolic
fee) their products (Windows, MS Office...). And the agreement
Original Message
From: noela...@gmail.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:29:03 + (UTC)
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:50:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
One of the tenets of FOSS is a free or low cost alternative
Klistvud wrote:
Not only in Spain, I'm afraid. Capitalism at its best.
Can't *anything* be done about it? I mean, the pushers have even
managed to circumvent the bidding rules that generally bind
government agencies -- by providing their lock-in-ware for free.
Capitalism? Public schools,
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
only difference is that ZERO of the profit goes to the printer manufacturer.
One of the
On 10/28/2010 01:57 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
only difference is that ZERO of the profit
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:57:51 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I
would also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
only difference is that ZERO
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/28/2010 2:14 AM:
On 10/28/2010 01:57 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
On 10/28/2010 03:22 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/28/2010 2:14 AM:
On 10/28/2010 01:57 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to
In 4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
only difference is that ZERO of
On 10/28/2010 12:25 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón.
On 10/28/2010 05:48 PM, Doug wrote:
[snip]
Some years ago, I had a color ink-jet printer from Epson. When it
ran dry, I refilled the ink reservoirs from one of the cheapie
refill suppliers. The ink clogged up the ink-jets, and since they
were
inaccessible, I had to throw the printer away. It
In4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also compatible toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
only difference is that
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 19:42:23 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with laser printers toner refilling,
such as sold here:
http://www.refilltoner.com
? Does it work, is it easy to do?
Should you estimate the lifespan of your printer -and inner parts- and
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