On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 07:30:00AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:49:33PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
scripsit Tom:
(dating from the 17th century; their descendents are today's Lib-Dems)
or with a rather na?ve progressive view of history as the story of
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:13:33 +0800,
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I'm not mad at anyone.
If there is a form of arrogance that displays a lack of experience,
it's analysis at a distance.
Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:11:58PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
Vote for your third-party during the primary
You can't. Primary ballots only list candidates from your own party.
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
scripsit Tom:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:15PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
a system (I did the math a while ago) we'd have a small but nonzero
number of (at least) Greens and Libertarians in the House, even with
scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
[snip]
I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under a
Scottish-style system. AFAIK there are no party members in
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under a
Scottish-style system. AFAIK there are no party members in the Congress
that are not Democrats or
Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:11:58PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
Vote for your third-party during the primary
You can't. Primary ballots only list candidates from your own party.
Yes. So register as a member of that 3rd
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:01:00AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
But I kindda like the idea that others have put forward; make political
office holding (for many/most? posititions) a responsibility of normal
citizens, via random choice, like jury duty.
Sure, because with random office holders
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15
scripsit Tom:
You conveniently ignored the quote by the Indian fellow who complained
about how there are too many political parties.
I guess it didn't occur to me you were offering it as a serious
argument. I confess I didn't pay too much attention to it, as I misread
it to be coming from a
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:01:00AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
and at this time pick from the Big Two to avoid throwing away your
vote.
I was with you up until you said this. How does this change anything?
The general election is the one that counts.
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote:
Don't second-guess them; they was smart!
They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't
even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short of the
pedestal people
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:39:06AM -0800, Tom wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:11:30AM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
...and hence not a member of any `third' party -- or am I missing
something?
Confusingly enough, there's an Independent Party here. So more people
claim to be Independents then
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:47:46PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote:
Don't second-guess them; they was smart!
They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't
even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short of
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:54:48PM -0800, Tom wrote:
This is so profoundly offensive I cannot believe you offensive.
What you are saying is so self-evidently wrong it's laughable.
Go take US History sometime.
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:47:46PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:17:17AM -0800, Tom wrote:
Don't second-guess them; they was smart!
They weren't smart, they were drunk; there's a difference. We don't
even trust drunks to drive these days. They fall well short of
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:27:02PM -0800, Tom wrote:
Anyway, thanks for making me glad I'm American paul!
Learned it in school, not off the net. Heard it within the last month
on The History Channel as well, though the name of the program it was
on
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:26:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:54:48PM -0800, Tom wrote:
This is so profoundly offensive I cannot believe you offensive.
What you are saying is so self-evidently wrong it's laughable.
Go take US History sometime.
Go read about the
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:37:05PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:27:02PM -0800, Tom wrote:
Anyway, thanks for making me glad I'm American paul!
Learned it in school, not off the net. Heard it within the last month
on The History Channel as well, though the name of
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote:
The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre
self-loathing to crass commercialism (usually around 27).
You know, murphy really ought to be making sure the addresses
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:00:02PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote:
The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre
self-loathing to crass commercialism (usually around 27).
You know, murphy really ought to be making
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:42:33AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
I believe Mr sanders is a member of the socialist party.
check out bernie.house.gov
while he lends himself to socialist issues, bernie is an independent.
ben
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:49:33PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
scripsit Tom:
(dating from the 17th century; their descendents are today's Lib-Dems)
or with a rather na?ve progressive view of history as the story of
continual progress. The latter is the way the term tends to be used
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:00:02 -0800
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On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:25PM -0800, Tom wrote:
The unfortunate thing about people like you is you go from this bizarre
self-loathing to crass commercialism
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:53:29PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
Two parties, sharing power, no difference between the two other than
name.
I used to be like that, all mad at everybody. The internal assumption
that validates it to yourself is I could do it much better, if only...
Once I had a
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 05:36:18PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
Granted. But that's why I go to a real Taco Bell instead. Or,
politically speaking, why I was driven to socialism.
You'll change. You're Echo Boomer. Your parents, the Baby Boomers,
went from being WWII babies, to Hippies, to
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:01:13 -0800
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:53:29PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
Two parties, sharing power, no difference between the two other than
name.
I used to be like that, all mad at everybody. The internal assumption
that
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 at 20:04 GMT, Tom penned:
On Wed
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
to do the job for the right reasons.
Would
Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
to do the job for the right
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:56 GMT, Paul Johnson penned:
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:13:33PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 12:38 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
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I tend to think that the reason you're okay with the right and the
left taking turns is that, for the most part, the politicians on both
sides are nothing but center. I'm sick of
scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
If we had a system in which we could vote more than once, for example
by specifying a first, second, and third choice, maybe we would see
some shake-up.
Maybe we should let Debian run U.S. elections then? ;)
[attempt to make this a bit less OT...]
Seriously, a
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:15PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
a system (I did the math a while ago) we'd have a small but nonzero
number of (at least) Greens and Libertarians in the House, even with
There is 1 independent Senator and 1 independent Congressman (what's the
generic term for
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 12:38 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
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In theory, we have a multi-party system. In practice, voting for a
third-party candidate is a wasted vote, because everyone knows that
every vote cast outside of
I'm sorry that my first post to debian-user is so off-topic, and that I
don't have a key yet. I hope to rectify the latter ASAP.
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 01:34:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
In theory, we have a multi-party system. In practice, voting for a
third-party candidate is a
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 at 01:06 GMT, Jason A Whittle penned:
I'm sorry that my first post to debian-user is so off-topic, and that
I don't have a key yet. I hope to rectify the latter ASAP.
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 01:34:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
In theory, we have a multi-party
scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
Friends of mine postulated the idea of having politician duty in
much the same was as we have jury duty ... you get a letter one day
telling you it's your turn to serve. Pretty sure this was done in at
least one ancient govt ... think it was Athens.
Funny that
scripsit Tom:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:15PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
a system (I did the math a while ago) we'd have a small but nonzero
number of (at least) Greens and Libertarians in the House, even with
There is 1 independent Senator and 1 independent Congressman (what's the
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:36:48PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
CNN isn't horribly credible to me since AOL bought them out. Now the
only real difference between CNN and FNC is CNN is for the merely
stupid, whereas Fox News is for the criminally stupid.
Well, I don't agree with either part of
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On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:57:04PM -0800, Tom wrote:
Well, I don't agree with either part of that, but I don't believe the
opposite. I don't see a liberal or conserative slant in CNN, but I do
see a bias towards artificial news which is to me
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 11:20:31PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
I have no faith in America. Not that I wish it ill, quite the
contrary. It could have been great. We just let the greedy get too
powerful. Last I checked, America was supposed to be by the people,
for the people, not by the
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 10:46:36PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
IIRC, Bill didn't use a paper bag, but rather hid under the desk.
I think you mean *she* hid under the desk. The image the other way
around is not pretty.
Preface: I was born in 1982, and in my opinion, Clinton is the best
scripsit Paul Johnson:
Preface: I was born in 1982, and in my opinion, Clinton is the best
president we've had in my lifetime (don't bother flaming me for this,
you won't change my mind, and Carter was before my time).
Not many to choose from there... sorta like trying to pick the best
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:36:48 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:41:04AM -0800, Tom wrote:
(re: news)
Exception CNN 0% Fox News 90% +/- (depending on source)
I'll
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 at 20:04 GMT, Tom penned:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 07:12:33AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
And everyone seems to SHOUT on Fox.
I like it when we take turns. I hope the left will play nice on the
playground and accept that we're alternating decades. They had a nice
long
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 07:12:33AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
And everyone seems to SHOUT on Fox.
Yup, the last resort of a liar or bigot trying to be taken seriously.
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:04:27PM -0800, Tom wrote:
I like it when we take turns. I hope the left will play nice on the
playground and accept that we're alternating decades. They had a nice
long run with Clinton following a nice long run with
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 09:21:57AM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
scripsit Paul Johnson:
Preface: I was born in 1982, and in my opinion, Clinton is the best
president we've had in my lifetime (don't bother flaming me for this,
you won't
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:14:24 -0700
Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 at 20:04 GMT, Tom penned:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 07:12:33AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
And everyone seems to SHOUT on Fox.
I like it when we take turns. I hope the left will play nice on
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 06:41:04AM -0800, Tom wrote:
(re: news)
Exception CNN 0% Fox News 90% +/- (depending on source)
I'll agree Fox is for the stupid, but it's better than 40 movies being
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On 1. December 2003 at 7:51AM +0800,
David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:41:04 -0800, Tom wrote:
I'll agree Fox is for the stupid, but it's better than 40 movies being
made about the president getting some poon on the side :-)
I have this persistent vision of a retired World Leaders' cocktail party,
with a conversation whcih goes
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:29:59PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:41:04 -0800, Tom wrote:
I'll agree Fox is for the stupid, but it's better than 40 movies being
made about the president getting some poon on the side :-)
I have this persistent vision of a retired
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote:
.. Elvis tripping on LSD with Nixon.
s/with/in front of/
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scripsit Tom:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote:
.. Elvis tripping on LSD with Nixon.
s/with/in front of/
It's much funnier the other way...
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Arizona State
Thus spake Thanasis Kinias ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
scripsit Tom:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:53:21AM -0800, Tom wrote:
.. Elvis tripping on LSD with Nixon.
s/with/in front of/
It's much funnier the other way...
This was presumably the occasion when RMN make Elvis a special
anti-drug
On 1. December 2003 at 7:51AM +0800,
David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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on Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 09:53:37PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 at 03:22 GMT, John Hasler
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