Peter Tenenbaum quar...@gmail.com writes:
First, I intend to build a home computer which will run linux, and
it will be 64-bit; since I'm quite new to maintaining my own linux
computers, I'd rather limit the number of differences between the
home machine and my portable.
Hi PT,
In regards
Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
I did it and I am sure it's faster and works much better together. It could
be also subjective opinion but I don't think I'm wrong
regards.
--
On 05/05/2010 08:02 AM, deloptes wrote:
Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
I did it and I am sure it's faster and works much better together. It could
be also subjective opinion but I
On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
64-bits kernels are not only intended for systems with tons of ram. Those
kernels usually have enabled the nx bit
On 05/05/2010 08:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
64-bits kernels are not only intended for systems with tons of ram. Those
On Wed, 05 May 2010 08:56:48 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/05/2010 08:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os
on my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
64-bits kernels
Ron Johnson put forth on 5/5/2010 8:56 AM:
On 05/05/2010 08:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:42:03 +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
right tools for the job, I never ever thought about putting 64bit os on
my netbook - it physically limited to 2G of memory
64-bits kernels are not only
On Wed, 05 May 2010 08:56:48 -0500
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
The question, though, is: What -- beyond geekness -- is the
*benefit* of amd64 in 'low' RAM systems?
I did some tests with my most used apps (gcc, tar, bzip2...) about 2 and
a half year ago with i386 and
On 5/5/2010 8:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
BTW, my Shuttle box has also a ram limitation of 2 GiB (and currently
using only 1 GiB) but has installed amd64. It runs fine, without
noticeable drawbacks.
A concern was future-proofing. More than one GB is not needed now.
What about later?
--
To
On 5/4/2010 12:43 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Please do not try to insult. It is not really useful, and wastes time.
Apologies. It wasn't meant as an insult but as an exclamation point backing
incredulity.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I listed the machine closest to your requirements in my last email. It
meets all your requirements but for the 2MB L2 cache. TTBOMK, there are
no
netbooks with 2MB L2 cpu cache. Neither AMD nor Intel make a CPU with 2MB
L2 cache for this class of machines.
you
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 00:43 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 11:41 PM:
On 5/3/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
[snip]
Correct in that one should get 4GB on a netbook due to 64bit binary size?
Or correct that
On 05/02/2010 10:53 PM, Mark wrote:
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Size. A little almost-handheld netbook just isn't as physically in danger
of cracking in your knapsack as a 15 or 17 laptop.
My girlfriend's Dell Mini's screen got cracked on a
On 05/02/2010 10:39 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/2/2010 9:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I
can
see in a netbook is battery life. I speak from experience.
Weight?
On 5/3/2010 3:54 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/02/2010 10:39 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/2/2010 9:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Size. A little almost-handheld netbook just isn't as physically in
danger of cracking in your knapsack as a 15 or 17 laptop.
I have no idea what you even mean by that.
On 05/03/2010 04:13 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
size is not one of them, _at_least_for_me_. They are too small. The
screens are too small for my eyesight, the keyboards are too small for
my hands, and so on.
YMMV, I
Hi, everyone --
I guess I should clarify my desirement for 64-bit. There are two things
here. First, I intend to build a home computer which will run linux, and it
will be 64-bit; since I'm quite new to maintaining my own linux computers,
I'd rather limit the number of differences between the
On 5/3/2010 4:29 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
Hi, everyone --
I guess I should clarify my desirement for 64-bit. There are two things
here. First, I intend to build a home computer which will run linux,
and it will be 64-bit; since I'm quite new to maintaining my own linux
computers, I'd rather
On Monday 03 May 2010 22:13:05 Mark Allums wrote:
Most netbooks (at least the ones I have seen) are relatively flimsy.
They are not almost-handheld. They are much larger than that.
I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
size is not one of them,
On 5/3/2010 5:02 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Monday 03 May 2010 22:13:05 Mark Allums wrote:
Most netbooks (at least the ones I have seen) are relatively flimsy.
They are not almost-handheld. They are much larger than that.
I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
size is
Mark Allums wrote:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
I also found that people underestimate the importance of L2/3 cache. I'm
compiling very often and it's really faster on my developer's notebook with
4M cache then on
On 5/3/2010 6:20 PM, deloptes wrote:
Mark Allums wrote:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
I also found that people underestimate the importance of L2/3 cache. I'm
compiling very often and it's really faster on my
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 12:17:54PM -0700, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install Debian
linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses an
AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions? The Gateway LT21
looks like
Mark Allums wrote:
I do not know, but I would guess that it is dependent on the CPU. A
particular ARM or Atom chip may have a particular amount of on-chip cache.
Choosing one's machine carefully would include knowing what type of CPU
is in it.
MAA
Good point, thanks!
I've compiled
On 05/03/2010 06:20 PM, deloptes wrote:
Mark Allums wrote:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
I also found that people underestimate the importance of L2/3 cache. I'm
compiling very often and it's really faster on my
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 20:55 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/03/2010 06:20 PM, deloptes wrote:
Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Do you know if there are some with larger cache?
Just as a Mini Cooper isn't a dragster or a lorry, netbooks are not
*designed* for heavy computational
On 05/03/2010 09:26 PM, Alex Samad wrote:
[snip]
I find with my atom, using syncplaces (a firefox addin), which encrypts
its files - it takes for ever, I am guess i am missing some of those
nice cpu op's that speed these things up.
AMD Intel's low-power CPUs need encryption engines just
Ron Johnson put forth on 5/3/2010 4:21 PM:
On 05/03/2010 04:13 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
I was listing advantages of netbooks over notebooks and laptops, but
size is not one of them, _at_least_for_me_. They are too small. The
screens are too small for my eyesight, the keyboards are too
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not the width of the CPU registers. The comment above belongs in
On 05/03/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not the width of
deloptes put forth on 5/3/2010 6:20 PM:
I've noticed that there is only 512K cache in the most netbooks which makes
then unsuitable for development. ATM this is stopping me from buying one.
Do you know if there are some with larger cache?
The Celeron/M based netbooks have 1MB L2 cache. The
deloptes put forth on 5/3/2010 7:44 PM:
So the question is, if
someone knows of a netbook (that is _64bit) and can be used for development
(i.e. has 2gb ram and i.e. 2m cache) this would be exactly perfect for me.
I listed the machine closest to your requirements in my last email. It
meets
On 5/3/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much memory the machine
needs, not the width of the
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 11:41 PM:
On 5/3/2010 11:01 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Mark Allums put forth on 5/3/2010 5:01 PM:
With 64 bits, you will need more memory, so I suggest you look for a
machine that can use 4 GB of memory.
A user's application usage patterns dictate how much
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install Debian
linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses an
AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions? The Gateway LT21
looks like just what I want in terms of hardware (ie, fairly low-end but
On 05/02/2010 02:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses
an AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions? The
Gateway LT21 looks like just what I want in
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 05/02/2010 02:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses
an AMD64-class processor. Does
On 05/02/2010 04:05 PM, Victor Padro wrote:
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
On 05/02/2010 02:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one
On 5/2/2010 2:17 PM, Peter Tenenbaum wrote:
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which uses
an AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions? The
Gateway LT21 looks like just what I want in
On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
...
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I can
see in a netbook is battery life. I speak from experience.
Weight? I
On 5/2/2010 6:47 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
Mark Allumsm...@allums.com wrote:
...
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I can
see in a netbook is battery life. I
On 05/02/2010 09:12 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/2/2010 6:47 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
Mark Allumsm...@allums.com wrote:
...
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I
On Sun, 2010-05-02 at 21:35 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/02/2010 09:12 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/2/2010 6:47 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:57 -0500
Mark Allumsm...@allums.com wrote:
...
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
On 5/2/2010 9:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Netbooks are underpowered. Get a *real* notebook/laptop. You can get a
much better computer for about the same money. The only advantage I can
see in a netbook is battery life. I speak from experience.
Weight?
Size. A little almost-handheld netbook
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
Size. A little almost-handheld netbook just isn't as physically in danger
of cracking in your knapsack as a 15 or 17 laptop.
My girlfriend's Dell Mini's screen got cracked on a recent trip even though
we had it in a
Le Sun, 2 May 2010 12:17:54 -0700,
Peter Tenenbaum quar...@gmail.com a écrit :
I've been thinking about getting a netbook and I'd like to install
Debian linux on it when / if I do. I'd also like to get one which
uses an AMD64-class processor. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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