Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 7/1/20 7:04 AM, Reco wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:49:09PM +1000, elvis wrote: > > > On 1/7/20 4:51 am, Dan Ritter wrote: [attributions snipped] > > > > > No.. if you want to be pedantic, the proper terminology is "Linux > > > > > Raid" or > > > > > "md RAI

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On 7/1/20 8:15 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 7/1/20 7:04 AM, Reco wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:49:09PM +1000, elvis wrote: On 1/7/20 4:51 am, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/29/20 7:20 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: M

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On 7/1/20 7:04 AM, Reco wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:49:09PM +1000, elvis wrote: On 1/7/20 4:51 am, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/29/20 7:20 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Now who's being pedant

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 08:49:09PM +1000, elvis wrote: > > On 1/7/20 4:51 am, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > On 6/29/20 7:20 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > > > > Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > > > On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Miles Fidelman wrote: >

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On 1/7/20 4:51 am, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/29/20 7:20 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Now who's being pedantic? Precisely. And isn't this exactly what I said??? mdadm is an admin program, it d

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 6/29/20 7:20 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > > > > Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > Now who's being pedantic? > > Precisely. > > > > > And isn't this exactly what I said??? mdadm is an admin program, it

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On 6/29/20 7:20 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Now who's being pedantic? Precisely. And isn't this exactly what I said??? mdadm is an admin program, it doesn't perform the raid function. And it's OK to refer to the

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Miles Fidelman wrote: > Now who's being pedantic? Precisely. > And isn't this exactly what I said??? mdadm is an admin program, it doesn't > perform the raid function. And it's OK to refer to the whole thing as an mdadm RAID.

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On 2020-06-29 10:40, echo test wrote: > On 2020-06-28 18:58, David Christensen wrote: ZFS requires a different way of thinking, At what level do we have to change our mind? Thus far, I have had to re-think operations, maintenance, and disaster recovery. As I develop software, I must re-t

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Actually, he seems to be designing a central database to support 2000 retail restaurants. And based on most recent posts, seems to be pre-startup designing a product. My sense is that what he really needs is somebody on the team who understands distributed enterprise architectures. Miles O

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Just to be clear... mdadm is NOT raid - it's an admin program for managing linux raid (md) devices.?? And then you need to worry about LVM (logical volume manager), and a network file system on top of them. Just to be clear, you are b

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:28:12 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:15:22PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:58:18 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > I'm curious, although I don't know m

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

debian-user: I sent the following to the OP rather than the list by mistake... David On 2020-06-28 03:34, echo test wrote: ... about 2000 users all are restaurants that save their selling history locally on their own server then 2 or 3 times in the morning they will rsync their postgres da

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Lu, 29 iun 20, 09:25:03, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Il 29/06/20 09:02, Andrei POPESCU ha scritto: > > On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: > > > I have yet to > > > hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us > > > about yours when you build it. (UR

Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

I'm very happy to have asked this question here, my brain is enjoying. Thank you again for all, I'll definitely be stick on Debian. > Something seems a little flakey about that architecture. Rsyncng postgress data? There are lots of better ways to merge data into a database. Particularly in the

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:32:40 +0200 MAS Jean-Louis wrote: ... > We have about 100 servers now, mostly Dell, and we are working with > Dell for about 17 years, without any troubles. We owned several hundred > Dell's servers during those years, mostly running on Debian. > > Everything work fine w

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Le 29/06/2020 à 17:31, Reco a écrit : > I see nothing wrong with Dell servers per se. If one really needs > something relatively cheap and durable - there's nothing wrong with > Dell (or Supermicro, but that's politics again). But, it's Tier 2, not > 1. So - my quote at the top. We have about 10

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:15:22PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:58:18 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > I'm curious, although I don't know much about, and have little > > > > > experience with, enterpris

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:58:18 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > I'm curious, although I don't know much about, and have little > > > > experience with, enterprise hardware. Am I correct in my understanding > > > > that it is actuall

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Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > I'm curious, although I don't know much about, and have little > > > experience with, enterprise hardware. Am I correct in my understanding > > > that it is actually possible to run (more-or-less) Debian on a switch > > > b

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:21:08 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > > > a firewall/router > > > a switch > > >

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:09:02 -0400 Dan Ritter wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > > > a firewall/router > > > a switch > > > a load-balancer > > > 2 web servers > > > a datab

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Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:22:21AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > Anything else is at least one tier lower so why bother discussing it? > > What do you have against Dell? I have a troubled past with EMC :) > Everything I've read indicates that their enterprise gear is very > good, and q

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:45:48 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:27:05AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote: > > > I'll be original here. Try SunFire X-series (aka SunServer X). Somewhat > > > costly, and the hardware quality is a hit or miss in newer models, but > > > runs Debian stable like

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > Dan Ritter wrote: > > ... > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > a firewall/router > > a switch > > a load-balancer > > 2 web servers > > a database server > > a mail serve

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > Dan Ritter wrote: > > ... > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > a firewall/router > > a switch > > a load-balancer > > 2 web servers > > a database server > > a mail server > > a general utility box with lots of storage to ha

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 Dan Ritter wrote: ... > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > a firewall/router > a switch > a load-balancer > 2 web servers > a database server > a mail server > a general utility box with lots of storage to handle backups > > All of those duties except

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:27:05AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote: > > I'll be original here. Try SunFire X-series (aka SunServer X). Somewhat > > costly, and the hardware quality is a hit or miss in newer models, but > > runs Debian stable like it was designed for it. > > I'm a little unclear what y

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On 27/06/20 8:02 am, Reco wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:34:07PM +0200, echo test wrote: >> So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an enterprise >> context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo ThinkCenter which >> seems to never mention that they support Deb

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Miles Fidelman wrote: > Just to be clear... mdadm is NOT raid - it's an admin program for managing > linux raid (md) devices.?? And then you need to worry about LVM (logical > volume manager), and a network file system on top of them. Just to be clear, you are being pedantic bordering on wrong he

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D. R. Evans wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote on 6/26/20 1:41 PM: > > echo test wrote: > > > >> Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft. > > > > We are firmly of the opinion that mdadm or ZFS are the best > > solutions here. > > > > Absolutely. > > Actually I'd go further and differentiate

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On 2020-06-29 00:02, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: I have yet to hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us about yours when you build it. (URL's for examples of such are welcome.) Maybe some of the deployments here fit

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Il 29/06/20 09:02, Andrei POPESCU ha scritto: On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: I have yet to hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us about yours when you build it. (URL's for examples of such are welcome.) Maybe some of the deployments here

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: > I have yet to > hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us > about yours when you build it. (URL's for examples of such are welcome.) Maybe some of the deployments here fit your definition of "enterprise". https:

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On Du, 28 iun 20, 12:37:14, echo test wrote: > > Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, are you saying that Debian cannot scale in > a bigger enterprise ? Debian can certainly scale from Raspberry Pis to supercomputers. The issue is more of support: 1. Debian itself doesn't offer support beyond securi

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Not necessarily, and in particular not given his needs, if I recall them correctly. LVM is fine for many purposes, but it is not required, nor is a network file system. My servers at home have no partitions and no LVM, and I have the RAID system for the data volume formatted as XFS. I use s

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On 2020-06-28 19:19, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-06-28 11:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: RAID is easy - Debian supports a number of software RAID options, and most motherboards support some form of hardware RAID (as to many external drive enclosures). Yes.  I avoid them. Correction -- I

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On 2020-06-28 11:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 6/28/20 3:16 AM, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-06-26 11:34, echo test wrote: I view Debian as the dominant enthusiast Linux distribution in the USA. Also pretty dominant in enterprise settings - particularly universities.  Still built pri

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On 6/28/20 3:58 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: Dan Ritter wrote on 6/26/20 1:41 PM: echo test wrote: Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft. We are firmly of the opinion that mdadm or ZFS are the best solutions here. Absolutely. Actually I'd go further and differentiate the two by sugg

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Dan Ritter wrote on 6/26/20 1:41 PM: > echo test wrote: > >> Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft. > > We are firmly of the opinion that mdadm or ZFS are the best > solutions here. > Absolutely. Actually I'd go further and differentiate the two by suggesting that if you use ECC me

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On 6/28/20 6:37 AM, echo test wrote: Hello, Thank you for all your answers and sorry to be late for answering. > I prefer ZFS but I find that lots of corps prefer mdadm. I really think that's simply > because ZFS came from Sun and they lack Solaris backgrounds. Now, in a low-> RAM environmen

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A few comments on the advice below On 6/28/20 3:16 AM, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-06-26 11:34, echo test wrote: I view Debian as the dominant enthusiast Linux distribution in the USA. I use it on my SOHO laptops and desktops because it mostly works on most x86/x86_64 computers made in

Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Hello, Thank you for all your answers and sorry to be late for answering. > I prefer ZFS but I find that lots of corps prefer mdadm. I really think that's simply > because ZFS came from Sun and they lack Solaris backgrounds. Now, in a low-> RAM environment with simpler disc needs, I would probabl

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David Christensen wrote: > There have been 16 responses to your post in the past 36+ hours.  You > should reply to at least some of them. > > > David Excellent reading (at least for me) even if OP does not reply, it is not wasted. regards

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On 2020-06-26 11:34, echo test wrote: Hello, Hello. :-) First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws or gcp. Even if you do not use their services, you might find it useful to emulate them and implement a private cloud. Then, I want to build a small data center

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On 6/27/20 11:56 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 8:08 PM Fred > wrote: On 6/27/20 1:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more of them > and it's easy to turn them into a high-avail

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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 8:08 PM Fred wrote: > On 6/27/20 1:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more of them > > and it's easy to turn them into a high-available cluster. > > https://www.rackmountsetc.com/ has been pretty good to me when it com

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On 6/27/20 1:04 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more of them and it's easy to turn them into a high-available cluster. https://www.rackmountsetc.com/ has been pretty good to me when it comes to configuring & assembling Supermicro components (

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Miles Fidelman wrote: > One other alternative: A lot of people seem to swear by Mac Minis as > servers.?? They're already BSD under the hood, and I've run all kinds of > Linux distros on Macs, under virtualization.?? You should be able to run > Debian directly, though I've never tried it. I d

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

I've had good luck with Supermicro 1U servers - run two or more of them and it's easy to turn them into a high-available cluster. https://www.rackmountsetc.com/ has been pretty good to me when it comes to configuring & assembling Supermicro components (and suggesting specific configurations). 

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On Sb, 27 iun 20, 12:00:58, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 26 iun 20, 20:34:07, echo test wrote: > > Hello, > > > > First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws or gcp. > > > > Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web > > app and a mail se

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Vi, 26 iun 20, 20:34:07, echo test wrote: > Hello, > > First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws or gcp. > > Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web > app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware > for t

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Your English is excellent. I think Debian is a very good choice for a small enterprise server. With a very limited set of servers as you mention here, I would not expect many issues, and stability is a hallmark of Debian. Personally, I would go with a quality HBA from Areca or LSI in JBOD m

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, June 26, 2020 12:34 PM, echo test wrote: > Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Hi. On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 04:43:15PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft. > > > > Anything that's made by LSI if you need a hardware RAID controller. > > Mdraid if whatever they sold you is not made by LSI. > > Counterpoint: mdadm on LSI con

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Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:34:07PM +0200, echo test wrote: > > So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an enterprise > > context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo ThinkCenter which > > seems to never mention that they support Debia

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, June 26, 2020 12:34 PM, echo test wrote: > Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web > app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware for

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Hi. On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:34:07PM +0200, echo test wrote: > So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an enterprise > context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo ThinkCenter which > seems to never mention that they support Debian. I'll be original he

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 2:41 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > echo test wrote: > > Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a > web > > app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware > > for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to compare the

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Hi, I can only share what I did when taking similar decision echo test wrote: > So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an > enterprise context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo > ThinkCenter which seems to never mention that they support Debian. What > kind

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

echo test wrote: > Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web > app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware > for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to compare them but it > seems that hardware vendors never want to talk a

Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

Hello, First of all, please don't ask me why I simply don't want to use aws or gcp. Then, I want to build a small data center for my company for hosting a web app and a mail server. It's the first time I'm going to buy some hardware for this. I tried looking for it on the web in order to compare