Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-20 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-20 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-20 Thread Curt
On 2015-01-20, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: It's no surprise to me that changing this makes no difference -- after all, it never gets as far as asking me to log into that account. What about .Xauthority and .ICEauthority? Have you tried deleting them? -- “There’s no money in

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-19 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: [snipped. I have xfce4 and lightdm] Have you looked at the logs? Especially

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-18 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Are you using a DM? A what? Xubuntu uses xfce4 if that answers the question. DM = display manager On Ubuntu, lightdm is the default DM. Are you

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 17 January 2015 03:28:34 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Are you using a DM? Display Manager. The GUI login interface. Where you enter your user name and password to login. Also where you choose the WM or DE to use on taht

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Mark Carroll
Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: (snip) I haven't been following your thread, but it is highly unrecommended to be root when you startx. https://lists.debian.org/slrnmbl5p5.22m.cu...@einstein.electron.org I'm trying to

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/17/2015 01:38 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr mailto:cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com mailto:kogor...@gmail.com wrote: startx I did sudo startx I haven't been

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Thom Miller
On 01/17/2015 09:29 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Did you have to re-create any of the excluded directories before it would boot properly? This looks a lot like what I do already, but is not working for me. I'll check the details. Kevin, you sent this directly to me, not the list. I have

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: startx I did sudo startx I haven't been following your thread, but it is highly unrecommended to be root when you startx.

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 17 January 2015 13:38:10 Kevin O'Gorman did opine And Gene did reply: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: startx I did sudo startx I haven't been following your thread, but it is

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Curt
On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Can you launch X after logging in to the console? I don't know how. startx ? -- “There’s no money in poetry, but then there’s no poetry in money, either.” —Robert Graves -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 07:50:33PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've not tried other solutions. I worry that the ones folks seem to like most do more than I need or want in terms of management. I want my stuff where I can see it, so to speak, and where I can use the ancient tools (tar, dd,

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Can you launch X after logging in to the console? I don't know how. startx I did sudo startx Hmmm. This should be telling me something, but I don't know exactly

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 08:08:27AM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Can you launch X after logging in to

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Curt
On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: startx I did sudo startx I haven't been following your thread, but it is highly unrecommended to be root when you startx. -- “There’s no money in poetry, but then there’s no poetry in money, either.” —Robert Graves -- To

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-17 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 08:08:27AM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-01-17, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: Can you launch X after logging in to

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Joel Roth
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 09:32:24PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I care because I like to have a lot of free space in my partitions, but I hate to use backup time and space on the holes. Hi Kevin, If you copy the whole partition, byte-for-byte, as with the 'dd' command, you copy everything,

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Gerald
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:19:52 Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if anyone here can point out the

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:19:52PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer.  I thought I had it, but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure.  I wonder if anyone

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Thom Miller
On 01/16/2015 01:28 AM, Joel Roth wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 09:32:24PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I care because I like to have a lot of free space in my partitions, but I hate to use backup time and space on the holes. Hi Kevin, If you copy the whole partition, byte-for-byte, as

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: I have a tar backup of the entire system, excluding /sys, /proc and /dev. I have a tar backup of a bind-mount of /dev. These were taken while the system was running, but quiet. I did it this way because I cannot get

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Rob Owens
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:19:52PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if anyone here can

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Rob Owens
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 08:47:01PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, David Christensen There are two basic kinds of backups: 1. File system -- e.g. a copy of the files and directories on an mounted and operating drive. 2. Raw binary image -- e.g. a copy

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/16/2015 12:32 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:03 PM, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com mailto:dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: On 01/15/2015 08:47 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I was hoping for some details on why this won't work on system

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: I have a tar backup of the entire system, excluding /sys, /proc and /dev. I have a tar backup of a bind-mount of /dev. These were taken while the

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 08:47:01PM -0800, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, David Christensen There are two basic kinds of backups: 1. File system -- e.g. a copy of the files and directories on an

An experiment in backup

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if anyone here can point out the error of my ways. I have a tar backup of the entire

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 01/15/2015 07:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, but i just tried a restore, and it's a miserable failure. I wonder if anyone here can point out the error of

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: On 01/15/2015 07:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm trying to develop a reliable backup method that does not use proprietary tools or formats, and is free as in beer. I thought I had it, but i just tried a

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-15 Thread David Christensen
On 01/15/2015 08:47 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I was hoping for some details on why this won't work on system drives, or conditions under which it just might. Another user has suggested I read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR which suggests that it actually should work.

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-15 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:03 PM, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: On 01/15/2015 08:47 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I was hoping for some details on why this won't work on system drives, or conditions under which it just might. Another user has suggested I read