Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-04-03 23:12:34, schrieb Douglas Allan Tutty: New project: Install Etch onto a ST138. Hmmm, the normal base has 186 MByte If you are fast enough, you can delete the /usr/doc/package of the already installed package while the installer tries to unpack the next one. In this case,

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-04-02 08:47:13, schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 04:35:03PM +0530, Siju George wrote: But it seems ext3 has to be unmounted to increase and decrease in size right? That would mean downtime for server. There is currently an experimental online resizing

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-03 Thread Mike McCarty
Daniel B. wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: ... If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc is hosed. But the disks almost surely don't scribble on the disk in a spiral pattern. (They'd

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/07 20:17, Mike McCarty wrote: Daniel B. wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: ... If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc is hosed.

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-03 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 10:02:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The ST138 Christ on a stick, man, that's *ANCIENT*! Seagate has had a lot of improvements since they released the *half-height* 32*MB* (that's correct: megabyte, not gigabyte) drive. Heck, at work I had a 40MB drive

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-03 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 22:02 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/03/07 20:17, Mike McCarty wrote: Daniel B. wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: ... If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-02 Thread Siju George
On 2/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this is where my suggestion for a filesystem comes into play. I used XFS in the beginning of my experiments with LVM but am migrating to ext3 now, since XFS can only be grown but not shrunk. But growing *and* shrinking are both natively

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-02 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On 4/2/07, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this is where my suggestion for a filesystem comes into play. I used XFS in the beginning of my experiments with LVM but am migrating to ext3 now, since XFS can only be grown but not

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 04:35:03PM +0530, Siju George wrote: But it seems ext3 has to be unmounted to increase and decrease in size right? That would mean downtime for server. There is currently an experimental online resizing patch for ext3. I am not sure if it is already in the kernel,

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-28 Thread Daniel B.
Mike McCarty wrote: ... If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc is hosed. But the disks almost surely don't scribble on the disk in a spiral pattern. (They'd detect that power is

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Eduard and *, Am 2007-03-13 12:58:31, schrieb Eduard Bloch: I would certainly trust XFS. Of course, if you don't have your machine on an UPS, it can cause problems on a crash or power outage. How are Great, that is the usual propaganda from XFS users with the same lame excuse

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-03-13 09:02:10, schrieb Douglas Allan Tutty: running ASAP with data intact after a crash or power failure. When I made the switch, I didn't have a UPS and I did have unreliable power (I eventually put the whole house on a big UPS). JFS has been perfect. ROTFL! This why I have

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-03-15 04:46:53, schrieb Paul Johnson: No kidding. Microsoft hires how many H1Bs while Washington's unemployment rate is how astronomical again? Same in France since Orange/FranceTelecom is going to Bejing and created there a Development FooBar. In France 6.8 million unemployed and

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-27 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Mike McCarty wrote: This is a device issue, no filesystem may fix it. Not that I expect even the crap we buy today for desktops and servers to be THIS dumb. Yes, a file system can fix that. But it has to be a file system which understands redundant hardware. I think I

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/27/07 13:56, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Mike McCarty wrote: This is a device issue, no filesystem may fix it. Not that I expect even the crap we buy today for desktops and servers to be THIS dumb. Yes, a file

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-26 Thread Mike McCarty
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:59:18AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] FYI, *any* filesystem has the potential to lose data on a sudden power outage. Umm, no. I suppose you haven't worked in telecomm. I've supported file systems which

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Mike McCarty wrote: This is untrue. If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc is hosed. This is a device issue, no filesystem may fix it. Not that I expect even

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/26/07 21:04, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] This is untrue. If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc is hosed. Does that happen

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-26 Thread Mike McCarty
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Mike McCarty wrote: This is untrue. If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc is hosed. This is a device issue, no filesystem

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-26 Thread Mike McCarty
Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/26/07 21:04, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] This is untrue. If power fails during a write, and the drive scribbles on the disc in a spiral pattern as the head moves toward the parking area, that particular disc is hosed. Does that happen anymore? Drive manufacturers

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: ssl'ed telnet can't forward tcp/x11 connections, which is an advantage for some networks) but it does not

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-19 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 15.03.07 04:36, Paul Johnson wrote: If telnet-ssl is just telnet wrapped in SSL, then it sure can forward X11 connections (as can telnet). It just doesn't make you explicitly pass a -Y or -X to make it so like SSH tends to. Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Tell me about it. I mean heck, with 4.6% unemployment [0] (being at 0.1% below the national average), I can see how Washington's unemployment rates can be considered astronomical in every way. I meant

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On 15.03.07 04:36, Paul Johnson wrote: If telnet-ssl is just telnet wrapped in SSL, then it sure can forward X11 connections (as can telnet). It just doesn't make you explicitly pass a -Y or -X

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-19 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 15.03.07 04:36, Paul Johnson wrote: If telnet-ssl is just telnet wrapped in SSL, then it sure can forward X11 connections (as can telnet). It just doesn't make you explicitly pass a -Y or -X to make it so like SSH tends to. Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote in Article [EMAIL

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:43:03 -0400 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by OpenBSD devs) is what should be defacto standard. On 13.03.07 19:37, Celejar wrote: I'm curious about telnet(d)-ssl. I don't know

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:43:03 -0400 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by OpenBSD devs) is what should be defacto

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: But for crying out loud, even your below average Joe knows enough to lock his car when he walks away from it. So that's why when you look in any Ford owner's manual (that's the only make I've noticed this

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 06:54:22PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I wish it could really be that way everywhere. I

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:46:53AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I know about it. But (and you might want to sit down for this) I was once at a place where I suggested PuTTY and they said no, citing

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/15/07 08:06, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:46:53AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] No kidding. Microsoft hires how many H1Bs while Washington's unemployment rate is how astronomical again? Tell me about it. I mean

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:14:22 +0100 Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:43:03 -0400 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by OpenBSD devs) is what should be defacto

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: ssl'ed telnet can't forward tcp/x11 connections, which is an advantage for some networks) but it does not have native check gfor host keys. I hope this answers both questions. On 15.03.07 04:36,

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Tarek Soliman
If you want to install Oracle on Linux (and *lots* of companies do, so don't bleat about not infecting your system with closed-source), you need X. No, you only need a few libraries. The Display can be a local workstation. I know this, I've done it, as far back as 1998 when the

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Tarek Soliman
WTF, I see Windows mentality has become the norm. and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by OpenBSD devs) is what should be defacto standard. I wish it could really be that way everywhere. I have been places where they run telnetd on all

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:11:06AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Is there any compatibility issues as far as versions of X, the server being non-linux (or even not the same distro as the workstation), etc? Nope. X is a protocol, much the same as FTP or HTTP. If your client (or server in the

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 06:54:22PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I wish it could really be that way everywhere. I have been places where they run telnetd on all the Solaris and Linux servers because

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:17:40AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: The place I talk about has legacy stuff (long forgotten cron jobs on random servers) that used to telnet and FTP stuff around) Eeek! I was trying to tell the admins to switch and they said that they were told not to, because

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Tarek Soliman
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:33:19AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:11:06AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Is there any compatibility issues as far as versions of X, the server being non-linux (or even not the same distro as the workstation), etc? Nope. X is a

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Tarek Soliman
I wish it could really be that way everywhere. I have been places where they run telnetd on all the Solaris and Linux servers because (get this) windows only comes with a telnet client and not an ssh client. They do know about putty, right? It's only a few kB... I know about

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 07:11 -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: If you want to install Oracle on Linux (and *lots* of companies do, so don't bleat about not infecting your system with closed-source), you need X. No, you only need a few libraries. The Display can be a local workstation.

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 07:39 -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:33:19AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 07:11:06AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Is there any compatibility issues as far as versions of X, the server being non-linux (or even not

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-14 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:43:03 -0400 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by OpenBSD devs) is what should be defacto standard. I'm curious about telnet(d)-ssl. I don't know any reason to use it over ssh,

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/07 01:56, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:01:00PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)? They have I don't run Debian.

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Mike McCarty wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately)

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Roberto C. Sanchez [Mon, Mar 12 2007, 07:06:43PM]: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Roberto. I see. I was asking since I have a whole drive full of videos and such which are usually between 100MB and 300MB per file. So I guess

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Tarek Soliman
I would certainly trust XFS. Of course, if you don't have your machine on an UPS, it can cause problems on a crash or power outage. Great, that is the usual propaganda from XFS users with the same lame excuse written with small letters. It has this bad tendency to shred the file

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Daniel Palmer
Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Roberto C. Sanchez [Mon, Mar 12 2007, 07:06:43PM]: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Roberto. I see. I was asking since I have a whole drive full of videos and such which are usually between 100MB and 300MB per

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:58:31PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Roberto C. Sanchez [Mon, Mar 12 2007, 07:06:43PM]: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: I see. I was asking since I have a whole drive full of videos and such which are

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 12:58:31PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: Great, that is the usual propaganda from XFS users with the same lame excuse written with small letters. How is it propaganda? It was a statement of fact. It has this bad tendency to shred the file contents after powerouts or

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Tarek Soliman
Well, as an anecdote of my own, I have used both XFS and ext3 quite extensively and found that they are equally as good, given *quality* hardware. I assume quality hardware is mutually exclusive with a home PC Is that correct? -- Tarek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 09:34 -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Well, as an anecdote of my own, I have used both XFS and ext3 quite extensively and found that they are equally as good, given *quality* hardware. I assume quality hardware is mutually exclusive with a home PC Is that correct?

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 09:34:45AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Well, as an anecdote of my own, I have used both XFS and ext3 quite extensively and found that they are equally as good, given *quality* hardware. I assume quality hardware is mutually exclusive with a home PC Is that

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Tarek Soliman
Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and suse. Want to disable these guys? Remove some X libraries. (The one guy who uses CLI uses telnet) Yes they really have X on ALL of the servers. -- Tarek -- To

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 10:33:38AM -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and suse. Want to disable these guys? Remove some X libraries. (The one guy who uses CLI uses telnet) Yes

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/07 10:33, Tarek Soliman wrote: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and suse. Want to disable these guys? Remove some X libraries. (The one guy who uses CLI

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Mike McCarty
Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] All of those should work, with (depending on the card/chip) the possible exception of sound. If you can't make Debian work, install Ubuntu. That's what it's for. And don't feel yourself a failure. I couldn't get RH5.2 installed, and, when it was time to buy a new

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Mike McCarty
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] FYI, *any* filesystem has the potential to lose data on a sudden power outage. Umm, no. I suppose you haven't worked in telecomm. I've supported file systems which never, ever, lost anything. If the system call came back, and said it was on disc, then it was.

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/07 12:53, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] All of those should work, with (depending on the card/chip) the possible exception of sound. If you can't make Debian work, install Ubuntu. That's what it's for. And don't

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/07 12:59, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] FYI, *any* filesystem has the potential to lose data on a sudden power outage. Umm, no. I suppose you haven't worked in telecomm. I've supported file systems which

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 10:33 -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and suse. Want to disable these guys? Remove some X libraries. (The one guy who uses CLI uses telnet) Yes they

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:59:18AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] FYI, *any* filesystem has the potential to lose data on a sudden power outage. Umm, no. I suppose you haven't worked in telecomm. I've supported file systems which never, ever, lost anything.

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:07:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: OpenVMS used to be more popular with geeks than Unix was. But businesses and Universities decided that it was worth it to trade 2 slow-but-reliable VAXen for 10 fast-but-flaky Suns. Hmmm. Then they went from 10 fast-but-flaky

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:43:03PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: WTF, I see Windows mentality has become the norm. and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by OpenBSD devs) is what should be defacto standard. I wish it could really be that way

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 07:40:03PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Hmmm. Then they went from 10 fast-but-flaky Suns to 100 slow-and-disease-ridden generic PCs with Windows. I'd hate to think what is coming next :-) Vista. Word Processing online via Google. Disposable printers in a

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/07 18:38, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:59:18AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] [snip] A good FS should not suffer corruption regardless of what the hardware does, if we're talking

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/07 12:53, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] All of those should work, with (depending on the card/chip) the possible exception of

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Tarek Soliman wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and suse. Want to disable these guys? Remove some X libraries. (The one guy who uses CLI

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:43:03PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: WTF, I see Windows mentality has become the norm. and RIP TelnetD (IOW the telnet Daemon) right out of the machine. OpenSSH (as done by

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:07:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: OpenVMS used to be more popular with geeks than Unix was. But businesses and Universities decided that it was worth it to trade 2

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Greg Folkert wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 10:33 -0500, Tarek Soliman wrote: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and suse. Want to disable these

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/07 20:52, Paul Johnson wrote: Tarek Soliman wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who run redhat and

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 23:48 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/13/07 20:52, Paul Johnson wrote: Tarek Soliman wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Now as far as video, who cares about that... servers don't need GUI stuff. Tell that to our admins who

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-13 Thread Jiann-Ming Su
On 2/15/07, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i should be careful in any area. Also

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Bob
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:21:38AM +0530, Siju George wrote: Hi, Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:58:29 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] possible but there could be some data corruption. ext3 journals data as well as metadata but takes forever to regenerate after a crash and there can still be errors. From man mount(8): Mount options

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/07 12:43, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately)

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread John Hasler
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately)... Mike McCarty wrote: Why unfortunately? Perhaps because he feels unfortunate in having to maintain multiple distributions. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out. At work, I have a production server (running RHEL, unfortunately)

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:01:00PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I personally am a fan of XFS. However, it is also possible to use ext3 on large partitions, as you point out.

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hi Roberto. Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 21:07: There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net. All you need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google search for filesystem comparisons. The short of it is: ext3 - good general purpose FS (not the best

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 10:42:45PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Roberto. Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 21:07: There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net. All you need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google search for filesystem

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hi Roberto. Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 23:15: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 10:42:45PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 21:07: There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net. All you need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/07 17:15, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular basis. I would classify those as large. XFS supports files up to a size of 8 exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes. I

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Roberto. I see. I was asking since I have a whole drive full of videos and such which are usually between 100MB and 300MB per file. So I guess XFS would not really be the best choice for them. I got ext3 everywhere at

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 05:49:55PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/12/07 17:15, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular basis. I would classify those as large. XFS supports files up to a size of 8 exabytes and filesystems also of

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Roberto. Roberto C. Sanchez, 13.03.2007 00:06: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote: I would certainly trust XFS. Of course, if you don't have your machine on an UPS, it can cause problems on a crash or power outage. How are your video files being used?

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/07 18:12, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Roberto. Roberto C. Sanchez, 13.03.2007 00:06: [snip] I read on Slashdot a while back that Seagate announced 37.5 TB drives will be available in a few years. Ouch. I?m thinking about getting a

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:01:00PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)? They have I don't run Debian. $ uname -a Linux Presario-1 2.6.10-1.771_FC2 #1 Mon Mar 28 00:50:14 EST 2005 i686

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:21:38AM +0530, Siju George wrote: Hi, Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i should be careful

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-03-11 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 09:58:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:21:38AM +0530, Siju George wrote: Hi, Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-02-16 00:21:38, schrieb Siju George: Hi, Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i should be careful in any area.

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Michelle Konzack wrote: I can not recommend ReiserFS I second that advisory. I've found problems with data corruption on my system using reiser. and with XFS I have no experience. I am looking forward to the new ext4 which could give a performance plus for databases I tried XFS, but I

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-19 Thread marcus . blumhagen
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 07:27:22PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: [...] maybe you should read about LVM [1]. It is not about file systems, but it can help you :) I'd rather deal with a case of the Clap. LVM is worse than useless for most installations. It makes the entire file system

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-18 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2007/2/15, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i should be careful in any area. Also if a

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-16 Thread hendrik
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 12:21:38AM +0530, Siju George wrote: Hi, Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? I am considering XFS. The System is Debian Sarge for amd64. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i should be careful

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 07:27:22PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: I'd rather deal with a case of the Clap. LVM is worse than useless for most installations. It makes Because it is not designed for reliability, but for flexibility. This is wy it is best to have it ride over a reliability, like

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

2007-02-16 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Siju George wrote: Could some one recommend which File System is best for partitions above 600GB? Depends on the use profile. Hope there are no issues with this setup. please let me know if i should be careful in any area. XFS does not take well to non-clean unmounts

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