Re: Confused-New Stable Sarge Dist-Upgrade

2005-06-08 Thread Basajaun
Obviously, the following line: cp -R /big_dir /scratch/ should read: mv /big_dir /scratch/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Confused-New Stable Sarge Dist-Upgrade

2005-06-08 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
Thanks to all you guys for your suggestions. I'll have to study a while before I decide how to proceed as I tend to get symlinks backwards even after reading man. I actually feel more comfortable resizind partitions. One thing I'd like to kow before closing this thread, how does one know, or

Re: Confused-New Stable Sarge Dist-Upgrade

2005-06-08 Thread Luis Finotti
Dear Basajaun and all, Basajaun wrote: [snip] Well, you could try the old link trick. First of all locate the biggest directory(ies) residing in /, e.g. du -sh /* then, move that directory and all of its contents to a bigger partition, where space is not a problem, e.g. cp -R /big_dir

Confused-New Stable Sarge Dist-Upgrade

2005-06-07 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
I was running Testing Sarge 2.6.8-2-686-13 Stock and just completed wajig distupgrading to Stable Sarge picking up a new version of the 2.6.8-2-686 KI-16(I think). Everything went smoothly until unpacking and installing modules. The following is an example of the error output except that

Re: Confused-New Stable Sarge Dist-Upgrade

2005-06-07 Thread Phil Dyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leonard Chatagnier said: tar: ./lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/modules.symbols: Cannot write: No space left on device tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors I chacked partition space with df and seem to have ample room as shown

Re: Confused-New Stable Sarge Dist-Upgrade

2005-06-07 Thread Leonard Chatagnier
Leonard Chatagnier said: tar: ./lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/modules.symbols: Cannot write: No space left on device tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors I chacked partition space with df and seem to have ample room as shown ChatagnierL-Home:~# df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used

Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

2005-01-07 Thread Mitchell Laks
On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:19 pm, Greg Folkert wrote: Oh, yes my child... all you haav to do is remove udev for the time being or recompile a kernel with raid* compiled in statically. Dear Greg, Thanks for your support on this problem and your careful and thoughtful advice! I am glad

confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

2005-01-06 Thread Mitchell Laks
Hi, I would like to set up a Debian box running Sarge, to include a storage array using raid5 with boot off a separate system disk. I have read the software raid howto and he says to use mdadm because it is newer, more unified, (levitates, leaps over a building in a single bound), but then

Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

2005-01-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 05:21 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote: Hi, I would like to set up a Debian box running Sarge, to include a storage array using raid5 with boot off a separate system disk. [...] raidtools2 == deprecated, mdadm == supercedes raidtools Hope that helps. I have a machine that

Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

2005-01-06 Thread Harland Christofferson
At Thursday, 06 January 2005, Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 05:21 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote: Hi, I would like to set up a Debian box running Sarge, to include a storage array using raid5 with boot off a separate system disk. [...] raidtools2 == deprecated,

Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

2005-01-06 Thread Mitchell Laks
On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:27 am, Greg Folkert wrote: On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 05:21 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote: Hi, I would like to set up a Debian box running Sarge, to include a storage array using raid5 with boot off a separate system disk. [...] raidtools2 == deprecated, mdadm ==

Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

2005-01-06 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 13:28 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote: On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:27 am, Greg Folkert wrote: On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 05:21 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote: Hi, I would like to set up a Debian box running Sarge, to include a storage array using raid5 with boot off a

Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

2005-01-06 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:27:50AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: raidtools2 == deprecated, mdadm == supercedes raidtools According to whom are raidtools deprecated, and when was this decision made? The last thing you want to do is hand mdadm to the clueless... it's bad enough handing them

Re-partitioning -- uh oh, I'm confused

2005-01-01 Thread Ridge Chittenden
mount /usr on /dev/hda1, then delete /dev/hda3? Or is my /usr data on /dev/hda3? I guess I just don't understand partitioning that well and I'm confused. Any suggestions? Here's the disk layout: machine1:~# df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1

Re: Re-partitioning -- uh oh, I'm confused

2005-01-01 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya ridge On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Ridge Chittenden wrote: machine1:~# df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 57677500 45016936 9730712 83% / /dev/hda3 56720252618292 53220704 2% /usr looks normal / is things

[CONFUSED NEWBIE] Cron

2004-11-05 Thread Joseph
Hi folks. This is probably very simple stuff, but I'm thoroughly confused. I have an off-the-shelf Debian installation provided by my ISP. When I do a ps -ef I get (amongst other things) the following root 195 1 0 Oct28 ?00:00:01 /usr/sbin/cron Now, according to the manual

Re: [CONFUSED NEWBIE] Cron

2004-11-05 Thread Justin Guerin
On Friday 05 November 2004 11:49, Joseph wrote: Hi folks. This is probably very simple stuff, but I'm thoroughly confused. I have an off-the-shelf Debian installation provided by my ISP. When I do a ps -ef I get (amongst other things) the following root 195 1 0 Oct28 ?00

Re: [CONFUSED NEWBIE] Cron

2004-11-05 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Friday 05 November 2004 12:49, Joseph wrote: I added a new line to crontab: 0 0 * * * root /usr/lib/cgi-bin/send_hit_count.cgi 1. send_hit_count.cgi apparently is not being executed. 9 times out of 10 when this happens to me, it's because I forgot to add an extra blank line to the end of

Re: [CONFUSED NEWBIE] Cron

2004-11-05 Thread Ali Alphan Bayazit
On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 12:54 -0700, Justin Guerin wrote: 0 0 * * * root /usr/lib/cgi-bin/send_hit_count.cgi Oops. Check out the man page for cron and especially crontab(5). 1. send_hit_count.cgi apparently is not being executed. It works interactively, but there are no messages that

Re: A Little Confused

2004-09-25 Thread Stephen Patterson
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:20:09 +0200, s. keeling wrote: Otherwise, dump *dm and hack your style file: ~/.fluxbox/styles/TDF: rootCommand: /usr/bin/feh --bg-center /home/keeling/grf/omega_nebula.jpg Or you could use ~/.fluxbox/init which overrides all style files, anyhow the simplest

Re: A Little Confused

2004-09-25 Thread Bill Marcum
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 03:05:11PM -0700, Sergio Basurto wrote: On the inittab you must change your init runlevel, try with a value of 3 if you are on SuSE or 2 if you are under Debian Wrong. Changing the runlevel won't do anything in Debian, unless you create a custom runlevel by changing

Re: A Little Confused

2004-09-25 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 01:36:07PM -0400, John Lowell wrote: A little confused by the Debian login process when using a window manager like fluxbox. The window manager doesn't have anything to do with it. The display manager you install does. In the past, I've always started the X window

A Little Confused

2004-09-24 Thread John Lowell
A little confused by the Debian login process when using a window manager like fluxbox. In the past, I've always started the X window system after a console login and startx after having first written an ~/.xinitrc. I was a little surprized after the Debian installation and the addition of X

Re: A Little Confused

2004-09-24 Thread Sergio Basurto
confused by the Debian login process when using a window manager like fluxbox. In the past, I've always started the X window system after a console login and startx after having first written an ~/.xinitrc. I was a little surprized after the Debian installation and the addition of X window

Re: A Little Confused

2004-09-24 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from John Lowell: A little confused by the Debian login process when using a window manager like fluxbox. In the past, I've always started the X window system after a console login and startx after having first written an ~/.xinitrc. I was a little surprized after the Debian

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-14 Thread Robert Parker
On Tuesday 14 September 2004 10:17, Steven Jones wrote: try typing modconf and pic the module to install it. regards Steven I did try modconf and did not find 'apm', however echo apm /etc/modules as shown in another post has done the trick. Thanks Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-14 Thread Robert Parker
On Tuesday 14 September 2004 13:08, Pigeon wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:16:53AM +1000, Robert Parker wrote: As root On a Woody system 2.4 series kernel. modprobe apm the module installs and is in the lsmod list but does not persist through a boot. insmod apm same story.

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-14 Thread Kent West
Robert Parker wrote: That's dealt with the actual problem, but I notice that lsmod gives me 27 lines of modules, there are just 2 modules in my /etc/modules. Where/when/how do the other 25 modules get installed? Only 1 of the first 5 appears in /etc/modules.conf. Tools like hotplug and

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-14 Thread Robert Parker
On Wednesday 15 September 2004 00:19, Kent West wrote: Robert Parker wrote: That's dealt with the actual problem, but I notice that lsmod gives me 27 lines of modules, there are just 2 modules in my /etc/modules. Where/when/how do the other 25 modules get installed? Only 1 of the first 5

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-14 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 09:19:33AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Tools like hotplug and discover automatically load modules as necessary. It's just that sometimes they miss a needed module, and that's why you need to add them to /etc/modules to get them loaded. In addition, if modprobe loads a

Confused about modules

2004-09-13 Thread Robert Parker
As root On a Woody system 2.4 series kernel. modprobe apm the module installs and is in the lsmod list but does not persist through a boot. insmod apm same story. So what command should I use to have apm installed on boot? I guess a second question is why have 2 commands doing the same thing?

RE: Confused about modules

2004-09-13 Thread Steven Jones
try typing modconf and pic the module to install it. regards Steven -Original Message- From: Robert Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:17 p.m. To: Debian User Subject: Confused about modules As root On a Woody system 2.4 series kernel. modprobe apm

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-13 Thread Adam Aube
Robert Parker wrote: I guess a second question is why have 2 commands doing the same thing? They don't - modprobe will resolve dependencies; insmod won't. IIRC, modprobe uses insmod to actually load the modules. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-13 Thread Kent West
Robert Parker wrote: As root On a Woody system 2.4 series kernel. modprobe apm the module installs and is in the lsmod list but does not persist through a boot. insmod apm same story. So what command should I use to have apm installed on boot? I guess a second question is why have 2 commands

Re: Confused about modules

2004-09-13 Thread Pigeon
On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:16:53AM +1000, Robert Parker wrote: As root On a Woody system 2.4 series kernel. modprobe apm the module installs and is in the lsmod list but does not persist through a boot. insmod apm same story. So what command should I use to have apm installed on

confused Re: running fsck out of a script; drive never shows being checked

2004-06-09 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya silvan On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Silvan wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 09:06 pm, Alvin Oga wrote: That's 'cuz it's fsck, not fdisk. :P aint it fun, dumb of me, to look at the man pages of fdisk and talk about e2fsck :-) .. had a good night sleep afterward tho So I should swap fsck

Re: confused Re: running fsck out of a script; drive never shows being checked

2004-06-09 Thread Silvan
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 10:59 am, Alvin Oga wrote: It isn't mounted normally. It isn't mounted before fscking it. good... but i'd add the umount to the script, just to make sure nothing breaks We, I guess yes, that's not a bad plan, just in case. Instead of relying on the previous

Confused on ALSA

2004-05-28 Thread debian
Running unstable - with an intel8x0 based card and a logitech webcam with inbuilt mic. On startup - alsa sees the webcam - so in alsamixer I get one mixer - the mic. If I stop ALSA, drop all the sound modules, load the intel8x0 module then restart alsa I get the inten8x0 soundcard and sounds

a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors

2004-02-08 Thread Nano Nano
I have an ASUS P4C800. I have 2.6.2 kernel. I wish to see my CPU and Mobo temps (and ideally fan speeds) like Asus PC Probe shows in Windows. (1) Which of the following should I have installed? $ apt-cache search sensors|i2c i2c-source - sources for drivers for the i2c bus libsensors2 -

Re: a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:08:40 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I have an ASUS P4C800. I have 2.6.2 kernel. I wish to see my CPU and Mobo temps (and ideally fan speeds) like Asus PC Probe shows in Windows. I have successfully installed lmsensors, (using 2.2.23 and 2.4.24 kernels) and it works great,

Re: a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors

2004-02-08 Thread Nano Nano
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 06:40:26AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:08:40 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I have an ASUS P4C800. I have 2.6.2 kernel. I wish to see my CPU and Mobo temps (and ideally fan speeds) like Asus PC Probe shows in Windows. [snip] The first thing you

Re: a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 15:04:21 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: [snip] Nano, I don't know anything about compiling the 2.6 kernel, I'm sticking with 2.4 series for now. The only problem I had with compiling the lmsensors modules was that there were two author-related macros which needed fixing for the

Aptitude #Broken: 4 message -- Confused!

2004-02-02 Thread Benjamin Sher
Dear friends: Just for the fun of it, I downloaded and installed Aptitude, At the top on the menu it says: Aptitude 0.2.13 #Broken: 4 Will free 9375kb DL size: 13.9 This appears on the third line of the menu BEFORE I actually use it in any way. Does this really mean that I have four broken

Re: Aptitude #Broken: 4 message -- Confused!

2004-02-02 Thread Clive Menzies
On (02/02/04 15:54), Benjamin Sher wrote: Just for the fun of it, I downloaded and installed Aptitude, At the top on the menu it says: Aptitude 0.2.13 #Broken: 4 Will free 9375kb DL size: 13.9 This appears on the third line of the menu BEFORE I actually use it in any way. Does this

Re: Aptitude #Broken: 4 message -- Confused!

2004-02-02 Thread Martin Helas
Am Mo Feb 02, 2004 at 10:3202 + gab Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] von sich: On (02/02/04 15:54), Benjamin Sher wrote: Just for the fun of it, I downloaded and installed Aptitude, At the top on the menu it says: Aptitude 0.2.13 #Broken: 4 Will free 9375kb DL size: 13.9 What you

Re: Aptitude #Broken: 4 message -- Confused!

2004-02-02 Thread Clive Menzies
On (03/02/04 00:02), Martin Helas wrote: Am Mo Feb 02, 2004 at 10:3202 + gab Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] von sich: On (02/02/04 15:54), Benjamin Sher wrote: Just for the fun of it, I downloaded and installed Aptitude, At the top on the menu it says: Aptitude 0.2.13

Re: Aptitude #Broken: 4 message -- Confused!

2004-02-02 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello Martin! On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 12:02:21AM +0100, Martin Helas wrote: Am Mo Feb 02, 2004 at 10:3202 + gab Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] von sich: What you need to do is search through the installed packages and identify those that are broken. The reason may be that they are missing

Re: confused with initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img

2004-01-18 Thread Dennis Kaplan
On Saturday 17 January 2004 06:15 pm, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 05:02:58PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote: On Saturday 17 January 2004 03:42 pm, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:39:34PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote: This worked out almost perfect. First of all I have

Re: confused with initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img

2004-01-18 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:08:38AM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote: On Saturday 17 January 2004 06:15 pm, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 05:02:58PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote: On Saturday 17 January 2004 03:42 pm, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:39:34PM -0800, Dennis

Re: confused about initrd.gz vs. initrd.img

2004-01-18 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 09:40:54AM +0100, David Baron wrote: I, too, have a knoppix install which has an image of 2.4.22-xfs. I installed this on ext2 partition originally, want to go over to ext3, need an initrd to do so since the that image does not have ext3 compiled in. I made an initird

Re: confused about initrd.gz vs. initrd.img

2004-01-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:47:41 -0500, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 09:40:54AM +0100, David Baron wrote: I, too, have a knoppix install which has an image of 2.4.22-xfs. I installed this on ext2 partition originally, want to go over

Re: confused with initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img

2004-01-18 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:08:38AM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote: My mouse does not work with the new kernel for same reason. It is a stone age regular serial mouse nothing fancy - I used to run the gpm driver and it was working or lets say it is still working with the old kernel but it does

confused with initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img

2004-01-17 Thread Dennis Kaplan
CONFIRMED WITH YES. I DON'T SEE THE LINKS AND initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img TOTALLY GET ME CONFUSED System.map - System.map-2.4.22-xfs System.map-2.4.22-xfs System.map-2.6.0-1-686 boot.0340 config-2.4.22-xfs config-2.6.0-1-686 debian.bmp - /usr/share/lilo/contrib/debian.bmp debianlilo.bmp - /usr/share

Re: confused with initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img

2004-01-17 Thread Kevin Mark
INSTALLING KERNEL2.6.01-686 THE INSTALL ASKED IF I LIKE TO HAVE THE LINKS MADE AND i CONFIRMED WITH YES. I DON'T SEE THE LINKS AND initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img TOTALLY GET ME CONFUSED System.map - System.map-2.4.22-xfs System.map-2.4.22-xfs System.map-2.6.0-1-686 boot.0340 config-2.4.22-xfs

Re: confused with initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img

2004-01-17 Thread Dennis Kaplan
need initrd. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE IN MY BOOT FOLDER AFTER INSTALLING KERNEL2.6.01-686 THE INSTALL ASKED IF I LIKE TO HAVE THE LINKS MADE AND i CONFIRMED WITH YES. I DON'T SEE THE LINKS AND initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img TOTALLY GET ME CONFUSED System.map - System.map-2.4.22-xfs

Re: confused with initrd.gz VERSES initrd.img

2004-01-17 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 05:02:58PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote: On Saturday 17 January 2004 03:42 pm, Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:39:34PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote: Hello everybody, Sorry for using caps I did it to disdingush between the code THIS IS WHAT MY

Re: Woody/stable: kernel-source-* kernel-headers-* ?!? Confused.

2004-01-11 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 09:16:23PM -0700, s. keeling said Could someone please 'splain to me what goes with what here? I've updated to 3.0r2. The plan so far is: (i) Install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 (ii) Go for updated kernel sources and re-build. I see there's kernel-source-2.4.18

Woody/stable: kernel-source-* kernel-headers-* ?!? Confused.

2004-01-10 Thread s. keeling
Could someone please 'splain to me what goes with what here? I've updated to 3.0r2. The plan so far is: (i) Install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 (ii) Go for updated kernel sources and re-build. I see there's kernel-source-2.4.18 and: kernel-headers-2.4.18 - Header files related to Linux

Re: Woody/stable: kernel-source-* kernel-headers-* ?!? Confused.

2004-01-10 Thread Russell Shaw
s. keeling wrote: Could someone please 'splain to me what goes with what here? I've updated to 3.0r2. The plan so far is: (i) Install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 (ii) Go for updated kernel sources and re-build. I see there's kernel-source-2.4.18 and: kernel-headers-2.4.18 - Header files

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2004-01-01 Thread Russ Schneider
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, David wrote: Why not run your router with linux? This is one of the biggest uses of linux. THere is a lot of documentation available free on the internet. I was actually going to do that. Especially since I only have two machines right now. Thing is, I bought a

Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread Russ Schneider
://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, but I couldn't find any packages, only lists of packages. Needless to say I'm confused as to what servers I can put in sources.list at this time. Is deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main still up? Could someone provide for me a line like

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread Debian User
different servers? Are they mirrored? I was looking through the US server http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, but I couldn't find any packages, only lists of packages. Needless to say I'm confused as to what servers I can put in sources. list at this time. Is deb http://security.debian.org/ stable

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:04:21 -0500 (EST) Russ Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, I just started using Debian after being mainly a Mandrake user. Installed Woody and I know most of the packages like Apache, etc. need upgrades. But packages.debian.org is down. Can apt-get upgrade

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread Adam Barton
://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, but I couldn't find any packages, only lists of packages. Needless to say I'm confused as to what servers I can put in sources.list at this time. Is deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main still up? Could someone provide for me a line like that for updated packages

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread Russ Schneider
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Adam Barton wrote: Let us know how it goes! Thanks all. So far this list has been VERY helpful. :) I think I understand now, and once my router gets here (c'mon UPS!) I can put this all to use. That is, once I figure out how to use a router (but that's for another

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread Alan Chandler
at the actual packages. As others have said, use apt-setup to set up to point to this, or one of the other mirrors. Needless to say I'm confused as to what servers I can put in sources.list at this time. Is deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main still up? Don't know - probably

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread David
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 03:53:54PM -0500, Russ Schneider wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Adam Barton wrote: Let us know how it goes! Thanks all. So far this list has been VERY helpful. :) I think I understand now, and once my router gets here (c'mon UPS!) I can put this all to use. Why

Re: Debian newbie confused over apt and packages

2003-12-31 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 03:04:21PM -0500, Russ Schneider wrote: But packages.debian.org is down. Can apt-get upgrade use different servers? Are they mirrored? Yes. Ad-nauseum. Visiting ftp://ftp.xx.debian.org/ (replace xx with your ISO country

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-11-02 Thread csj
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 02:17:47 +1100, Rob Weir wrote: csj wrote: Real world case: scribus (probably the best GPL'ed or better DTP app). I never did find out about this. If it doesn't work, perhaps you should file a wishlist bug on the package asking for support. Apparently fixed in

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-11-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:19:48PM -0800, Daniel L. Miller said csj wrote: Real world case: scribus (probably the best GPL'ed or better DTP app). I never did find out about this. If it doesn't work, perhaps you should file a wishlist bug on the package asking for support. But doing this

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-29 Thread Daniel L. Miller
csj wrote: At Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:46:15 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:16AM +0800, csj said On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:28:36AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more than one

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 02:23:02AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-22 Thread kmark
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more than one font system in use. I

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-22 Thread Ken Irving
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 02:23:02AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-21 Thread moseley
Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more than one font system in use. I would love to see a trouble shooting section. I'm

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-19 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 07:43:40PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:10PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:09:56PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said Since it is a small topic, if you wish, I will be grad to make it a part of Debian Reference. Rewite around:

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread csj
At Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:46:15 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:16AM +0800, csj said On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:33:15PM -0700, Ross Boylan said Rob, thanks for making this available. I have one comment. On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:33:09PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: 4) Add :unscaled to the end of the 100dpi and 75dpi font lines, so they look like this FontPath

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:09:56PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said Rob, On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:58:45AM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: Quoting Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that I've used on the list a couple of times. It's available from

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:10PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:09:56PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said Rob, On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:58:45AM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: Quoting Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:07:52PM -0700, Paul Yeatman said The debconf message for defoma told me to put /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType as a FontPath in XF86Config-4 but my /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfon t-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ directory contains nothing but the file,

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:16AM +0800, csj said On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just point X at /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-17 Thread Paul Yeatman
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- Determining which true type font package to install myself isn't so obvious. Looks like any package starting with ttf- are true type font packages. The only three that don't seem to be for another language are the non-free

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-16 Thread Paul Yeatman
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:05:21PM -0700, Paul Yeatman said So, for the sake of clarification as some conflicting statements have been made, as long as the FontPath to /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType is given in

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-16 Thread csj
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 07:47:50AM +0800, csj said [...] Your detailed tips have me wondering if there's really an official(tm) Debian way of managing fonts, something relatively easy like dpkg-reconfigure. Yes, defoma aka Debian

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread csj
At Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:33:09 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: [...] For GNOME2 and KDE3, you need to setup fontconfig which Xft2 uses to find fonts. I'll get to that in a minute. I didn't have to do anything to get my fonts available to GNOME2 and KDE3. I've always been puzzled tho why my GTK1 apps

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 07:47:50AM +0800, csj said At Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:33:09 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: [...] For GNOME2 and KDE3, you need to setup fontconfig which Xft2 uses to find fonts. I'll get to that in a minute. I didn't have to do anything to get my fonts available to

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread M. Kirchhoff
Quoting Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For some apocryphal reason I think I need it for fluxbox to be pretty. But I might need to rexamine my assumptions :-) Or perhaps I'm getting confused when I messed around with xterm's XFT ability. Depends on what version of fluxbox you're using. Version

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Paul Yeatman
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just point X at /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, and leave it alone. Without defoma, you'd

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Tom
I just did a clean reinstall of SID (I keep a local mirror and have it scripted down to 30 minutes :-)). My /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/fonts.alias is an empty file. Here's the the contents of that directory: # ls /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:05:21PM -0700, Paul Yeatman said So, for the sake of clarification as some conflicting statements have been made, as long as the FontPath to /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType is given in XF86Config-4, the order of the FontPaths doesn't matter, ie. even

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Paul William
(4) requires a working (1) and moreover requires modifying /etc/X11/XftConfig; in particular enabling anti-aliasing (match edit rgba = rgb) and pointing to TrueType (dir ..path..to..bitstream-vera). (4) is representive of all Xft v1 apps. (4) also takes care of old GTK1 apps. I am

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Marshal Wong
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:25, M. Kirchhoff wrote: While looking through the deb-user archives for some font-related info, I discovered that there is still an insane amount of confusion regarding fonts under XFree86. Googling, which new users tend to rely on, results in myriad yet often

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Tom
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:34:05PM +1300, Paul William wrote: (4) requires a working (1) and moreover requires modifying /etc/X11/XftConfig; in particular enabling anti-aliasing (match edit rgba = rgb) and pointing to TrueType (dir ..path..to..bitstream-vera). (4) is representive of

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread M. Kirchhoff
Quoting Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that I've used on the list a couple of times. It's available from http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt and is reproduced below so people can criticies it more easily :) By jove, you've got it!!!

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread M. Kirchhoff
Quoting Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally, I think restricting the focus to stable, or just certain aspects of it, is a bit limiting, but it's your call. I'm the rare breed that actually runs Stable on my production, every-day-use desktop. I'm not a programmer, and I do very little

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
[erk, to the list now] On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 08:25:30PM -0700, M. Kirchhoff said While looking through the deb-user archives for some font-related info, I discovered that there is still an insane amount of confusion regarding fonts under XFree86. Googling, which new users tend to rely on,

RE: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Wathen, Metherion
-Original Message- From: M. Kirchhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused Quoting Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally, I think restricting the focus to stable

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Paul Yeatman
Rob Weir, great guide, thanks! Two questions though from someone with no fonts understanding. It seems assumed that: FontPath unix/:7100# local font server is right out? (I think someone in this thread mentioned a font server not being necessary for most users)

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