Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-03 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mi, 02 mar 11, 10:04:12, Chris Brennan wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK this is the 64bit version. I had no issues with it, but I'm not a heavy flash user. ia32 =! ia64 nor is it amd64 ... it is Intel Architecture, 32-bit.

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-02 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 01 mar 11, 09:34:28, Patrick Bartek wrote: Is this really Flash 64-bit or just a wrapped 32-bit one? What version? The reason I ask is the only 64-bit version being distributed currently by Adobe is a 10.2 preview called Square. (By preview I'm thinking pre-alpha.) It was

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-02 Thread Chris Brennan
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK this is the 64bit version. I had no issues with it, but I'm not a heavy flash user. ia32 =! ia64 nor is it amd64 ... it is Intel Architecture, 32-bit. So where did you get 64bit from that? or are you implying

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-02 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:02:51 -0500, shawn wilson wrote: (...) But, just curious is there an 'ap guideline' for proper mailing list submissions somewhere? I don't think I'm going to be able to change gmail but I'd like to know when something is foobar all the same. You can live in the cloud

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-02 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Ma, 01 mar 11, 09:34:28, Patrick Bartek wrote: Is this really Flash 64-bit or just a wrapped 32-bit one?  What version? The reason I ask is the only 64-bit version being distributed currently by Adobe is a 10.2

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-02 Thread Tom Furie
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 10:04:12AM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK this is the 64bit version. I had no issues with it, but I'm not a heavy flash user. ia32 =! ia64 nor is it amd64 ... it is Intel

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 27 feb 11, 22:05:16, Patrick Bartek wrote: Nope.  Going 64-bit all the way. Have the CD burned and everything.  All previous Fedora installs on this machine have been 64-bit.  I see no reason to change.  I'm

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Dne, 27. 02. 2011 21:05:11 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a): Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting a distro where

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Mon, 2/28/11, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using [snip] first, debian comes with apparmor by default iirc. i haven't looked much

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread John Hasler
B writes: I'm not really looking for a lightweight install for a slow, old system. My reasons, as I said in another post, for abandoning the traditional desktop and going pure window manager is mostly philosophical, but if the system runs faster and smoother, and has less crap on it that I

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: ... My reasons for abandoning the desktop environment and going pure Openbox is more philosophical than practical.  My current Fedora 12 64-bit system with

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread John Hasler
Javier Vasquez writes: ...fvwm2... Fvwm2 is now just fvwm. The old fvwm is now packaged as fvwm1. Package: fvwm Description: F(?) Virtual Window Manager FVWM is a powerful ICCCM2 compliant multiple virtual desktop window manager for the X Window System. FVWM requires relatively little

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Tue, 3/1/11, John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote: B writes: I'm not really looking for a lightweight install for a slow, old system.  My reasons, as I said in another post, for abandoning the traditional desktop and going pure window manager is mostly philosophical, but if the

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Tue, 3/1/11, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: ... My reasons for abandoning the desktop environment and going pure Openbox is

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread John Hasler
B writes: I considered it. It was my number 2 choice. I chose Openbox, among other things, for its ease of configuration compared to FVWM, since I will be doing a lot of changes in the beginning. I have to admit that ease of configuration is not one of FVWM's strong points. -- John Hasler

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-03-01 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Tue, 3/1/11, John Hasler jhas...@debian.org wrote: B writes: I considered it.  It was my number 2 choice.  I chose Openbox, among other things, for its ease of configuration compared to FVWM, since I will be doing a lot of changes in the beginning. I have to admit that ease of

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 27 feb 11, 22:05:16, Patrick Bartek wrote: Nope. Going 64-bit all the way. Have the CD burned and everything. All previous Fedora installs on this machine have been 64-bit. I see no reason to change. I'm aware of 64-bit pitfalls: mainly, the lack of a 64-bit Flash plugin that

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 27. 02. 2011 21:05:11 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a): Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting a distro where longevity and stability are paramount, and SELinux is an option,

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 28 feb 11, 13:26:24, Andrei Popescu wrote: That sounds complicated, how about this: activate non-free and Correction: flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib, not non-free apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree (works fine also on amd64) This is correct. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread shawn wilson
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting a distro where longevity and stability are paramount, and

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 28 feb 11, 09:36:43, shawn wilson wrote: first, debian comes with apparmor by default iirc. i haven't looked much into the default config of apparmor, but it doesn't seem to get in the way because it doesn't seem to be configured to do much. Nope, SELinux. Regards, Andrei --

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread shawn wilson
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote: On Lu, 28 feb 11, 09:36:43, shawn wilson wrote: first, debian comes with apparmor by default iirc. i haven't looked much into the default config of apparmor, but it doesn't seem to get in the way because

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:36 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: debian comes with apparmor by default. You're confusing Debian and Ubuntu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Patrick Bartek wrote: Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting a distro where longevity and stability are paramount, and SELinux is an option, not the default, I've settled on

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:03:11 -0500 shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote: On Lu, 28 feb 11, 09:36:43, shawn wilson wrote: first, debian comes with apparmor by default iirc. i haven't looked much

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/28/2011 02:29 PM, Celejar wrote: [snip] Shawn: I've noticed that all your emails seem to include the quoting carat '' on the first line of your response. Is your editor misconfigured? gmail misconfigured?? snicker -- I prefer banana-flavored energy bars made from tofu. -- To

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread shawn wilson
On Feb 28, 2011 3:37 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/28/2011 02:29 PM, Celejar wrote: [snip] Shawn: I've noticed that all your emails seem to include the quoting carat '' on the first line of your response. Is your editor misconfigured? gmail misconfigured?? snicker

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 28 February 2011 15:02:51 shawn wilson wrote: On Feb 28, 2011 3:37 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/28/2011 02:29 PM, Celejar wrote: [snip] Shawn: I've noticed that all your emails seem to include the quoting carat '' on the first line of your response. Is

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 28 feb 11, 16:02:51, shawn wilson wrote: But, just curious is there an 'ap guideline' for proper mailing list submissions somewhere? I don't think I'm going to be able to change gmail but I'd like to know when something is foobar all the same. I found http://learn.to/quote very useful

Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-27 Thread Patrick Bartek
Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting a distro where longevity and stability are paramount, and SELinux is an option, not the default, I've settled on Debian 6. However, my

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/27/2011 02:05 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 months)--I've been using it since FC3, but have only been upgrading every 3rd release since 6--and wanting a distro where longevity and stability are paramount, and SELinux is an option, not the

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 27 feb 11, 12:05:11, Patrick Bartek wrote: My system: Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet Watch for firmware errors in dmesg and install the apropiate package from non-free if needed AMD Athlon64 X2 2.9 GHZ EVGA GeForce 8400GS graphics card, fanless (by design) If

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-27 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/27/2011 02:05 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: Having tired of Fedora's short support life (13 [snip] My system: Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet AMD Athlon64 X2 2.9 GHZ EVGA GeForce 8400GS graphics

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

2011-02-27 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 27 feb 11, 12:05:11, Patrick Bartek wrote: My system: Abit KN9 motherboard, built-in audio and ethernet Watch for firmware errors in dmesg and install the apropiate package from non-free if needed I'll