On Sat, May 28, 2022, 11:08 AM Cindy Sue Causey
wrote:
> On 5/28/22, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Brian wrote:
> >> > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye
> :).
> >
> > Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> >> Bookworm?
> >> SID?
> >
> > In any case: Not Testing !
> >
On 5/28/22, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Brian wrote:
>> > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :).
>
> Keith Bainbridge wrote:
>> Bookworm?
>> SID?
>
> In any case: Not Testing !
>
> Currently a zillion of packages get marked for autoremovial from Testing
> becau
Hi,
Brian wrote:
> > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :).
Keith Bainbridge wrote:
> Bookworm?
> SID?
In any case: Not Testing !
Currently a zillion of packages get marked for autoremovial from Testing
because of
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?
On 24/5/22 23:23, Brian wrote:
Hi,
After my surrender to Jessie I've thought of moving on with Stretch.
Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :).
Bookworm?
SID?
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Hellow Махно ,
Махно writes:
> Hello. Just use i3. It is a tiling window manager designed for X11,
> inspired by wmii and written in C.[5] It supports tiling, stacking,
> and tabbing layouts, which it handles dynamically. Configuration is
> achieved via plain text file and extending i3 is possib
Hello. Just use i3. It is a tiling window manager designed for X11,
inspired by wmii and written in C.[5] It supports tiling, stacking,
and tabbing layouts, which it handles dynamically. Configuration is
achieved via plain text file and extending i3 is possible using its
Unix domain socket and JSON
Hellow didier,
didier gaumet writes:
> (... thanks ...)
> In fact you did not install Debian on your Chromebook but you enabled
> Debian inside Chrome OS on your Chromebook(1), right? In this case
> Debian runs in a Chrome OS container not on the hardware? Your
> screenshot seems to show a Chro
Le mercredi 25 mai 2022 à 08:50:05 UTC+2, 황병희 a écrit :
> Antonino Saetta writes:
>
> > (... thanks ...)
> > I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...
> >
> > Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?
> Hellow, i am beginner with Debian. I install Debian 11 Bullseye on
>
Antonino Saetta writes:
> (... thanks ...)
> I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...
>
> Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?
Hellow, i am beginner with Debian. I install Debian 11 Bullseye on
Chromebook. But there is no Gnome desktop. I just launch each Linux app
su
) a GNOME desktop
> environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*?
To give you a choice of which desktop or desktops to install, or no GUI
at all. With Linux you can install and run multiple desktops, if you
want to.
> I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...
It is, but you don&
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 02:23:46PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> apt install task-xfce-desktop
> apt unstall take-gnome-desktop
> apt unstall xfce4
> etc
Freudian typos.
at all.
>
> So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop
> environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*?
>
> I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...
It needn't be GNOME, but it has been for quite some time.
> Also, what's the lig
On 5/24/22 05:20, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 01:27:29PM +0200, Antonino Saetta wrote:
So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop
environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*?
uncheck that box, select any other Desktop you want, or None
On 5/24/22 04:53, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
On 24/5/22 7:27 pm, Antonino Saetta wrote:
Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?
I use Mate. It's closest to the old gnome so no fancy crap
I am with you on that.
BTW: the mate-desktop-environment-extras is a Great enhance
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 01:27:29PM +0200, Antonino Saetta wrote:
> So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop
> environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*?
>
> I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...
*sigh* It's complicated.
See, ther
On 24/5/22 7:27 pm, Antonino Saetta wrote:
Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?
I use Mate. It's closest to the old gnome so no fancy crap
Jeremy
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> environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*?
>
> I thought that Debian is GNOME by default...
>
> Also, what's the lightest desktop? Default, XFCE or LXDE...?
The lightest desktop is no desktop :-)
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Hi,
After my surrender to Jessie I've thought of moving on with Stretch.
Currently I've installed it through the net, no problems at all.
So I was wondering, why am I asked to choose (or not) a GNOME desktop
environment, other than *Debian desktop environment*?
I thought that Debia
Brian writes:
On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 17:02:01 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 04:04:17PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 13:43:29 +, Tixy wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 07:47 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 7:21 AM
, Nov 5, 2021, 7:21 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon
> > > > > > installation?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
ically use XFCE, so I wanted to test if leaving "Debian
> > desktop environment" marked would affect or not my XFCE
> > installation.
> >
> > It does.
> >
> > a)
> > | [ ] Debian desktop environment
> > | [*] XFCE
> >
> > b
On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 16:44:04 +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 16:28:36 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 12:50:23PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
> > wrote:
> > > hv3
> >
> > This is a web browser written in TCL/tK. What I suspect is happening is
>
On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 04:04:17PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 13:43:29 +, Tixy wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 07:47 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 7:21 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 16:28:36 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 12:50:23PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote:
> > hv3
>
> This is a web browser written in TCL/tK. What I suspect is happening is
> it's being pulled in to satisfy a dependency on "www-browser" virtua
On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 12:50:23PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote:
hv3
This is a web browser written in TCL/tK. What I suspect is happening is
it's being pulled in to satisfy a dependency on "www-browser" virtual
package by one of the desktop metapackages.
libsqlite3-tcl
libtcl8.6
On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 13:43:29 +, Tixy wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 07:47 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 7:21 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > > > Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation
On 11/5/21 4:50 AM, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote:
Hi,
I did some test by installing 2 identical virtualbox instances (EFI
turned on) with the same netinst image .
I typically use XFCE, so I wanted to test if leaving "Debian desktop
environment" marked would affect or n
On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 07:47 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 7:21 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > > Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?
> >
> >
> >
> > Right now, for the r
On Fri 05 Nov 2021 at 12:50:23 +0100, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did some test by installing 2 identical virtualbox instances (EFI turned
> on) with the same netinst image .
>
> I typically use XFCE, so I wanted to test if leaving "Debian deskto
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 7:21 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?
>
>
>
> Right now, for the regular official installers (and also for the
> unofficial installer with non-free firmware)
> Is "Debian desktop environment" identical to "GNOME" upon installation?
Assuming you install with one of the REGULAR installers (not one that
contains the word "Live" anywhere in its name): yes.
Selecting "Debian desktop environment" in the inst
wanted to test if leaving "Debian desktop
environment" marked would affect or not my XFCE installation.
It does.
a)
| [ ] Debian desktop environment
| [*] XFCE
b)
| [*] Debian desktop environment
| [*] XFCE
Using (b), I end up with 12 more installed packages. I checked t
Hi,
I did some test by installing 2 identical virtualbox instances (EFI
turned on) with the same netinst image .
I typically use XFCE, so I wanted to test if leaving "Debian desktop
environment" marked would affect or not my XFCE installation.
It does.
a)
| [ ] Debian desktop e
Thank you, Richard Hector and Richard Owlett.
s, you can choose to install
| one or more of the following predefined collections of software.
|
| [*] Debian desktop environment
| [ ] GNOME
| [ ] Xfce
| [ ] KDE
| [ ] Cinnamon
| [ ] MATE
| [ ] LXDE
| [ ] web server
| [*] print server
| [ ] SSH server
| [*] standard system
On 14/05/18 23:42, dft wrote:
> It seems that the following three combinations have exactly the same
> effect, but I am not sure. Please confirm whether the following three
> combinations have exactly the same effect.
>
> | [*] Debian desktop environment
> | [ ] GNOME
ore of the following predefined collections of software.
|
| [*] Debian desktop environment
| [ ] GNOME
| [ ] Xfce
| [ ] KDE
| [ ] Cinnamon
| [ ] MATE
| [ ] LXDE
| [ ] web server
| [*] print server
| [ ] SSH server
| [*] standard system utilities
After the installation was
Original Message
On February 7, 2018 5:19 PM, OECT T wrote:
> I'm using Debian Stretch 9.3 an I'm very glad to find that when activating
> "Show Applications" from the Dash there is a Utilities kind of folder
> grouping several applications like the Calculator and the Document
Hi all:
I'm using Debian Stretch 9.3 an I'm very glad to find that when activating
"Show Applications" from the Dash there is a Utilities kind of folder grouping
several applications like the Calculator and the Document Viewer.
I've been reading through the documentation but can't find how to
/index.php/XDMCP
2017-07-12 19:34 GMT+02:00 Malte :
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to setup the xserver-xspice package to remotely connect to my
> Debian desktop. It claims to be more bandwidth efficient compared to VNC
> and there is even an Android client for the Spice protocol. I can get the
idi 24 messidor, an CCXXV, Malte a écrit :
> > I am trying to setup the xserver-xspice package to remotely connect to my
> > Debian desktop. It claims to be more bandwidth efficient compared to VNC
>
> You can also try xpra in « shadow » mode.
>
> But I have to ask: are you s
Le quartidi 24 messidor, an CCXXV, Malte a écrit :
> I am trying to setup the xserver-xspice package to remotely connect to my
> Debian desktop. It claims to be more bandwidth efficient compared to VNC
You can also try xpra in « shadow » mode.
But I have to ask: are you sure that « re
Hi,
I am trying to setup the xserver-xspice package to remotely connect to my
Debian desktop. It claims to be more bandwidth efficient compared to VNC
and there is even an Android client for the Spice protocol. I can get the
xspice server started just fine. But I am having problems with the
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 09:45:47AM -0700, pjw wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 06:01 AM, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most
> > security...
>
> Apropos:
>
> Debian Moves To Non-Root X.Org Server
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 06:01 AM, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
>
> Hi, Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most
> security...
Apropos:
Debian Moves To Non-Root X.Org Server By Default[1]
Links:
1.
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-driv
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 09:18:11 +1100, Tony wrote:
> I have just installed Debian 8.2. How do I get the Desk Top to show on the
> screen? On boot-up, the green Debian desk Top shows for a few seconds and
The 'green Debian desktop' that you are describing is probably the GRUB
bac
This response is written considering you as a complete newbie. So some
parts may be boring to you.
There are two cases :
A. You have installed a desktop environment
B. You have not installed any desktop environment and the console is the
only interface.
Try pressing Ctrl+Alt+F7 (try other function
On 11/16/2015 02:18 PM, Tony wrote:
I have just installed Debian 8.2. How do I get the Desk Top to show on the
screen? On boot-up, the green Debian desk Top shows for a few seconds
and then the Terminal
appears and I cant get to the Desk Top.
Can you please let me know what to do?
Is there anyt
Hi.
I have just installed Debian 8.2. How do I get the Desk Top to show on the
screen? On boot-up, the green Debian desk Top shows for a few seconds and then
the Terminal
appears and I cant get to the Desk Top.
Can you please let me know what to do?
Tony Lyons
Australia
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:01:09 +0100, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and
> the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME
> etc.)?
They're all reasonably secure. Of course, if you want
On 15-10-27 14:01:09, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and
> the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME
> etc.)?
>
What is your threat model?
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On Tuesday 27 October 2015 13:01:09 Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and
> the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE,
> GNOME etc.)?
Speaking personally, and we will all do that, and yo
I agree with several other comments with regards to security not being
necessarily related to a specific desktop environment. In my opinion I
think the best security comes from using both a Linux distribution and a
desktop environment that you (or the admin) is very familiar with and
understand
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:01 +0100, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most
> security and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian
> users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME etc.)?
Hand picking components and evaluating them on
preference and feel really
On 27 Oct 2015 1:51 pm, "Mateusz Kozłowski" wrote:
Hi,
Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security
and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE,
GNOME etc.)?
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Mateusz Kozłowski wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most
> security and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian
> users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME etc.)?
My opinion is that no one desktop environment is any more
I hope this discussion should continue, rather than conclude, as more views
means more purity in idea.
As far as security is concerned, it is the Debian OS which determines
policies more than the DE. Also, I would like to categorize them as under:
KDE : Heavy, high-end graphics, consumes resources
dm itself.
So the only thing to pick off is preference and feel really
On 27 Oct 2015 1:51 pm, "Mateusz Kozłowski" wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security
> and the best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE,
> GNOME etc.)?
>
>
Hi,
Could You tell me which debian desktop environment is the most security and the
best privacy and which You recommned for debian users? (KDE, XFCE, GNOME etc.)?
On 17/02/15 17:34, Tanstaafl wrote:
Honest question...
What exactly is libsystemd0?
It's a shared library maintained by the systemd maintainers. It provides
a variety of (mostly fairly simple) utility functions such as:
sd_notify (etc.) - Notify service manager about start-up completion and
Honest question...
What exactly is libsystemd0?
Maybe a simple solution would be to just rename it to something less
'offensive' to some, like:
libinit - or libinit0
?
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On 02/17/2015 01:15 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hi,
On 17 February 2015 at 18:20, claude juif wrote:
Really rude answer. Really bad.
I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
total. Extremely rude.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> which should help answer the question you asked: your work - fantastic
> as it is - was *impossible to find*. it doesn't even remotely come up
> on the radar of queries. *nobody knows what you've achieved* and
> that's somet
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to apologise for my mail I sent about two hours ago. I have
> overreacted mainly because of the length of the email, CAPS INSIDE and
> also because it's a topic which is being discussed for more than a year
> and which ma
Hello,
I'd like to apologise for my mail I sent about two hours ago. I have
overreacted mainly because of the length of the email, CAPS INSIDE and
also because it's a topic which is being discussed for more than a year
and which many of people here are already tired of.
I however still think that
2015-02-17 19:29 GMT+01:00 Nathan Schulte :
> Hi Andrew,
>
> On 02/17/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
> > total. Extremely rude.
>
> I for one am grateful Luke took the time to write the email he did. I
> understand it wa
Hi Andrew,
On 02/17/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
> total. Extremely rude.
I for one am grateful Luke took the time to write the email he did. I
understand it was long and I believe that most won't even take the
time to
adam, i apologise for not being in a position to reply in-thread: as
mentioned previously i tried (via gmane) but the entire discussion is
completely missing, and i forgot to ask people in the original post to
cc me if they would like an ongoing threaded reply.
i also notice that you removed debia
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 17 February 2015 at 18:20, claude juif wrote:
>> Really rude answer. Really bad.
>
> I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
> total. Extremely rude.
i did apologise in advance, and explained why i to
Oh, dear, it was so nice to have a break from the systemd flame-wars.
Could the troll-feeders please desist?
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On 17 February 2015 at 18:20, claude juif wrote:
> Really rude answer. Really bad.
I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
total. Extremely rude.
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On 02/17/2015 at 11:28 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> so, marco, you wrote:
>
>> Again, you clearly do not understand well how systemd works.
>
> marco: understanding or otherwise how systemd works is not the
> point: the point is that there has been a unilateral decision across
> vi
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:20 PM, claude juif wrote:
>
>
> 2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura :
>>
>> Hi Luke,
>>
>> On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
>> wrote:
>> > <265 lines of text and counting snipped>
>>
>> In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things
Hi.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 06:20:34PM +0100, claude juif wrote:
>
>
> 2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura :
>
> Hi Luke,
>
> On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> wrote:
> > <265 lines of text and counting snipped>
>
> In short, this is TL;D
2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura :
> Hi Luke,
>
> On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> wrote:
> > <265 lines of text and counting snipped>
>
> In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
> on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this
Hallo,
* Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [Tue, Feb 17 2015, 04:28:04PM]:
> so to summarise:
>
> * the use of libselinux1 is dormant (i.e. whilst you can't remove it
> without inconvenience, its use is entirely optional, right from the
> kernel level)
> * its development and documentation is rational
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:28:04 +
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> "i disagree with what you are saying, but i will defend your right to say it".
> i believe it was someone famous who wrote that,
Attributed to Voltaire; but does not appear in his writings.
Cheers,
Ron.
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Hi Luke,
On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
wrote:
> <265 lines of text and counting snipped>
In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this any longer regardless
of their position on systemd.
Thanks
ok, so there's been quite a discussion, both on slashdot, where
amazingly the comments that filtered to the top were insightful and
respectful, and also here on debian-devel and debian-users. as i
normally use gmane to reply (and maintain and respect threads) but
this discussion is not *on* gmane,
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:22:21PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 16 February 2015 21:31:19 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > On Feb 16, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> > > The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
> > > separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a we
Ric Moore wrote:
On 02/16/2015 07:47 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
[*SNIP*]
so the question then becomes: at a fundamental level (in a
distro-agnostic way) how to go about giving people a proper
choice (to
run systemd and associated components, or not)?
And why would their unpaid
On 02/16/2015 07:47 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler wrote:
Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobod
On Monday 16 February 2015 21:31:19 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Feb 16, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> > The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
> > separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing
>
> systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr
On Feb 16, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
> separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing
systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition
was partially broken even before systemd
Hallo,
* Lisi Reisz [Mon, Feb 16 2015, 11:42:14AM]:
> On Monday 16 February 2015 08:09:19 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > > to debian-users: you don't have complete choice (yet), but i have
> > > demonstrated with a few hours work that there is a way to run
> > > (certain) desktop environments without requ
On 16/02/2015 16:14, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> 2015-02-16 16:26 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry :
>> [...]
>> An an example, i've been a long-term linux developer, DD; i've developed
>> and promoted Linux not just on the desktop but both in embedded systems
>> and in HPC systems. In all these I've bee
2015-02-16 16:26 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry :
> [...]
> An an example, i've been a long-term linux developer, DD; i've developed
> and promoted Linux not just on the desktop but both in embedded systems
> and in HPC systems. In all these I've been comfortable that I've been
> able to adapt Linux,
On 2015-02-16 16:26, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> On 16/02/2015 14:41, Christian Kastner wrote:
>> I'll hazard another guess, namely that the great vast majority of users
>> simply do not care. I'd be surprised if most users even know what an
>> init system does, much less what the differences betwe
On 16/02/2015 14:41, Christian Kastner wrote:
> On 2015-02-16 13:47, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler
>> wrote:
>>> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
>>>
On Monday 16 February 2015 14:41:32 Christian Kastner wrote:
> On 2015-02-16 13:47, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler
wrote:
> >> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
> >>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_fr
On 2015-02-16 13:47, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler wrote:
>> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
>>>
>>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
>>
>>
>> It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came
On 02/16/2015 at 07:47 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler
> wrote:
>
>> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
>>
>>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
>>
>> It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jes
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler wrote:
> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
>>
>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
>
>
> It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobody complained
> that libsystemd-login0 (which is now pa
Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobody complained
that libsystemd-login0 (which is now part of libsystemd0) was as a
dependency of dbus, so it is probably alrea
On Monday 16 February 2015 08:09:19 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > to debian-users: you don't have complete choice (yet), but i have
> > demonstrated with a few hours work that there is a way to run
> > (certain) desktop environments without requiring libsystemd0 or any of
> > its dependencies, and after
Marco d'Itri:
> On Feb 16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>
>> to debian-developers: the technical issues are irrelevant (and can
>> always be solved over time) - it's that you are complicit in removing
>> people's software freedom right to choose what to run on their system:
>> that is why
On Feb 16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> to debian-users: you don't have complete choice (yet), but i have
> demonstrated with a few hours work that there is a way to run
> (certain) desktop environments without requiring libsystemd0 or any of
> its dependencies, and after a little invest
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
> i've documented the process by which it is possible to run some of the
> debian desktop window managers (TDE, fvwm, twm etc.) without the need
> for systemd or libsystemd0 or any components related to systemd
> whatsoever.
Alas, the resul
On 02/15/2015 08:54 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
so the short and long of it is: i do not like it when people are not
given the freedom to choose... and that includes when, just like when
microsoft was so dominant in the 1990s, the choices they are presented
are not really a choice a
http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
i've documented the process by which it is possible to run some of the
debian desktop window managers (TDE, fvwm, twm etc.) without the need
for systemd or libsystemd0 or any components related to systemd
whatsoever.
the process i
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