On 11 Jun 2002, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
On 11-Jun-2002 Dan Jacobson wrote:
[Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old
non-GNU awk, while sporting the GNU/Linux branding]
Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least
ask/inform the user that
[Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old
non-GNU awk, while sporting the GNU/Linux branding]
Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least
ask/inform the user that he is not getting current official GNU tools
despite the GNU on the box, and in some cases
[Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs
and 6 year old non-GNU awk, while sporting the
GNU/Linux branding]
[snip]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let's hope he gets s much mail that he can't respond to
the list about this (non-)issue !!
Regards
Hall
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 08:24:09PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
Why not put the fancy maneuvers burden on the experts? Why not
install current _official_ versions of all GNU tools by default? If
there is something wrong with those tools then go file a bug with
their maintainers.
So, why
Dan wrote:
I'm thinking of the most basic user that sees the shiny GNU/Linux
label and, thinking that debian is more GNU than the other Linux
distributions, chooses debian, only to find out that if he wants GNU
versions [gawk], or current versions [emacs21] he must do fancy
maneuvers [apt-get].
basic user here:
installed debian with a cd out of a magazine to boot with ftp and
dselect.
Looks fine to me. As basic user I don't even know what GNU is so I am
not too concerned about it.
Anybody who does should be able to get the tools he wants.
There are old apps in debian - but it works.
I
On 11-Jun-2002 Dan Jacobson wrote:
[Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old
non-GNU awk, while sporting the GNU/Linux branding]
Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least
ask/inform the user that he is not getting current official GNU tools
At 2002-06-11T12:24:09Z, Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least ask/inform
the user that he is not getting current official GNU tools despite the GNU
on the box, and in some cases [awk] he isn't even getting a GNU tool.
You know, I
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 11:01:47AM -0300, Klaus Imgrund wrote:
Looks fine to me. As basic user I don't even know what GNU is so I am
not too concerned about it.
if you ever used ls, find or grep, you are already a user of GNU. the
chances are big, that you use such basic tools.
debian embraces
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As to the specific awk issue, when we made the choice mawk worked better on
more scripts than gawk did. This may have changed in the last 2 years or so
but was still valid when potato came out.
Err, no. Mawk is the default because (since awk is
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For most new users emacs20 is just as good as 21. The two large
changes in 21 for newbies were a better X front end and console font
locking.
Also, better menus, toolbar, tooltips, automatic hscroll, hourglass,
sane delete key setup (especially
%% Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
as Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For most new users emacs20 is just as good as 21. The two large
changes in 21 for newbies were a better X front end and console font
locking.
as Also, better menus, toolbar, tooltips,
So if anyone wants to have any bearing on issues like which emacs the
tasks select, you need to subscribe to debian-testing and respond to
requests to test the task system. Coming sniveling and ccing BS to rms
6 months too late is not very effective. The tasks will select emacs21
in the major
On 11-Jun-2002 James Troup wrote:
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As to the specific awk issue, when we made the choice mawk worked better on
more scripts than gawk did. This may have changed in the last 2 years or so
but was still valid when potato came out.
Err, no.
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
as I said, two years ago I found that random awk scripts worked
better with mawk than gawk, this has likely changed.
Err, actually you claimed that this (i.e. 'random awk scripts
work[ing] better') is why mawk is the default, but that's complete
On 11-Jun-2002 James Troup wrote:
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
as I said, two years ago I found that random awk scripts worked
better with mawk than gawk, this has likely changed.
Err, actually you claimed that this (i.e. 'random awk scripts
work[ing] better') is why
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 09:04:50AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote:
| At 2002-06-11T12:24:09Z, Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| I'm talking about the most basic of user. All these names are foreign.
| He has just inserted the 8 woody CD's given to him by a friend and is
| following
At 2002-06-11T19:39:15Z, Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well put, Kirk. There is no problem (other than length of a release
cycle, but this isn't the place to fix that).
Thanks. I suspect the OP was a troll, but I just couldn't resist. :)
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:01:47AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
On 11-Jun-2002 Dan Jacobson wrote:
[Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old
non-GNU awk, while sporting the GNU/Linux branding]
Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least
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