Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-04 Thread Celejar
-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:36:13 -0500 On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:10:46 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: ... Debian 6 apparently made most printers paperweight or sopmetimes works, in functionality

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 04 March 2014 06:55:48 Bret Busby wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:04:20 From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: Date: Mon

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 07:05:22 Doug wrote: It would seem that XSane is smart enough to scan without any other drivers This is very much not my experience. I have always found that XSANE needs drivers, and if they are not available says that it cannot find the scanner. Lisi -- To

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Doug wrote: On 03/03/2014 12:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote:Debian; why provision is not made, to allow software that runs on Debian 5, to run on Debian 6 and Debian 7. As a single example, I have a multifunction printer, of which, the multifunctionality worked with Debian 5.

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote: Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being included in the offical Debian version.

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 09:10:46 Bret Busby wrote: The device is a Samsung CLX3185FW, and it had drivers that worked with Debian 5. Contact Samsung. If you have difficulty in getting through to someone who speaks Linux mail me off-list and I'll give you a name. A client had bought a Samsung

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 09:49:13 Andrei POPESCU wrote: I strongly advise that on your next buy (not necessarily MFPs) you also consider how well that device is supported with Linux. Bonus if the manufacturer contributes to that support. If enough of us are doing the same it might eventually

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote: Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 17:10:46, Bret Busby wrote: Whilst the device had been able to work with Debian 5, it simply does not work with Debian Linux after Debian 5, other than using a printer driver for, I think the Samsung CL317x series. Did you try splix? Kind regards, Andrei --

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 03 mar 14, 13:56:45, Bret Busby wrote: Apart from the systemd fight stuff, I am wondering, in the context of the above message content, why a spearate firmware distribution of Debian Linux, needs to exist, rather than the firmware being

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:01:10 From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight On Lu, 03 mar 14, 17:10:46, Bret Busby wrote: Whilst the device had been able to work

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:31:20 From: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:48:12 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Monday 03

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: [...] But, Linux, and, the Linux community, should not have the same objective; it should instead, be preserving the (that I believe to be) primary objective of UNIX; that a programme that is written for one version, can run on

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Brian
On Mon 03 Mar 2014 at 19:04:20 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: The responses that I got from Samsung, were that their printers are not compatible with Debian Linux, after Debian Linux 5. I had contacted Samsung. Manufacturers neglecting to continue support for equipment is nothing new. You choose

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 18:57:09, Bret Busby wrote: I think that it is unfortunate that we are apparently expected to throw out all of our hardware (including printers and other such accessories), and, replace it all, each time a new version of an operating system, is released.

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 mar 14, 19:02:09, Bret Busby wrote: Whilst the device had been able to work with Debian 5, it simply does not work with Debian Linux after Debian 5, other than using a printer driver for, I think the Samsung CL317x series. Did you try splix? Couldn't get splix to work. I'll

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 03 March 2014 12:51:18 Brian wrote: What rabbit do you expect Debian to pull out of the hat to fix a closed source driver? You could always run your CLX3185FW with Debian 5. :) Samsung does supply later drivers. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:10:46 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: ... Debian 6 apparently made most printers paperweight or sopmetimes works, in functionality. Something significant, changed between Debian Linux 5 and Debian Linux 6, that reduced the functionality of the operating

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Arnold Bird
Is it not in the unfree repository? Alot of stuff was moved there. --- cele...@gmail.com wrote: From: Celejar cele...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:36:13 -0500 On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:10:46 +0800 (WST) Bret

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 03 mar 14, 18:57:09, Bret Busby wrote: I think that it is unfortunate that we are apparently expected to throw out all of our hardware (including printers and other such accessories), and, replace it all, each time a new version of an

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:04:20 From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:31:20 From: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com

Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-02 Thread Bret Busby
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, y...@marupa.net wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:05:20 From: y...@marupa.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:21:09 + (UTC) Resent-From:

Re: Firmware stuff - was systemd fight

2014-03-02 Thread Doug
On 03/03/2014 12:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote:Debian; why provision is not made, to allow software that runs on Debian 5, to run on Debian 6 and Debian 7. As a single example, I have a multifunction printer, of which, the multifunctionality worked with Debian 5. Now, it is only a laser printer,