Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread David Wright
ustration > >> over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)" > >> > [...] People use names, computers like numbers. > >> > > >> > >> I do not take sides here, but I can't accept this statement. Numbers > >> are universal

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread Curt
On 2018-01-13, David Wright <deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: > On Sat 13 Jan 2018 at 05:14:37 (+0100), Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: >> On 12-01-2018, at 15h 03'25", David Wright wrote about "Re: Frustration over >> Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-ba

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread David Wright
On Sat 13 Jan 2018 at 16:56:05 (+), Glenn English wrote: > Has anyone in this thread mentioned DNS yet? Quoting RFC 1178: “There is always room for an exception. “I don't think any explanation is needed here. However, let me add that if you later decide to change a name (to

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread Glenn English
Has anyone in this thread mentioned DNS yet? -- Glenn English

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread David Wright
On Sat 13 Jan 2018 at 05:14:37 (+0100), Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: > On 12-01-2018, at 15h 03'25", David Wright wrote about "Re: Frustration over > Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)" > > [...] People use names, computers like numbers. > &g

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > Some people always seem to remain confused. Perhaps they have > > the same confusion with timezones, for similar reasons. > > Both are confusing. One, Debian has the possibility to improve. Yes, we could "improve". But for many of us that doesn't

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 03:03:25PM -0600, David Wright wrote: Which reason? The formal name of a release is the Release number. And yet our sources.list files all contain deb stretch main and not deb 9 main And I had to look up "9" in that wiki page to even make this point. The

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă
On 13-01-2018, at 09h 07'58", bw wrote about "Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)" > > On Friday, January 12, 2018 11:14:37 PM Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: > > > On 12-01-2018, at 15h 03'25", David Wright wrote about

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, January 13, 2018 09:07:58 AM bw wrote: > It is a good point, however have you considered the effect of a visual > association along with a word and a number? For instance, everytime I > think of debian "stretch" i see a purple octopus. For "buster" I see a > yapping little dachshund

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread bw
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, January 12, 2018 11:14:37 PM Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: > > On 12-01-2018, at 15h 03'25", David Wright wrote about "Re: Frustration > > over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)&quo

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-13 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 12, 2018 11:14:37 PM Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: > On 12-01-2018, at 15h 03'25", David Wright wrote about "Re: Frustration > over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)" > > > [...] People use names, computers like numbers.

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-12 Thread Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă
On 12-01-2018, at 15h 03'25", David Wright wrote about "Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)" > [...] People use names, computers like numbers. > I do not take sides here, but I can't accept this statement. Numbers are universal,

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-12 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 12, 2018 04:03:25 PM David Wright wrote: > Another reason: it's a convention that organisations use > because it works. It's less ambiguous to write jessie than 8 > especially in contexts where lots of numbers are being discussed, > and it's more memorable to most people. People

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-12 Thread David Wright
On Fri 12 Jan 2018 at 14:01:34 (+), Ian Campbell wrote: > On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 13:54 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 08:49:05AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > But the various names and use of those names gets very frustrating > > > for me, and > > > I suspect

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-12 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 13:54 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 08:49:05AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > But the various names and use of those names gets very frustrating > > for me, and > > I suspect I am not the only one. The numbered versions, the Toy > > Story

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-12 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 12, 2018 09:01:34 AM Ian Campbell wrote: > On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 13:54 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 08:49:05AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > But the various names and use of those names gets very frustrating > > > for me, and > > > I suspect I

Re: Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 08:49:05AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > But the various names and use of those names gets very frustrating for me, > and > I suspect I am not the only one. The numbered versions, the Toy Story names, > and then the testing, stable, old stable, old old stable is

Frustration over Debian naming (was: Re: Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports)

2018-01-12 Thread rhkramer
Intentionally cross posted. On Friday, January 12, 2018 04:58:38 AM Richard Hector wrote: > Apologies for my misunderstanding. I hadn't made the mental link from > wheezy to LTS (I don't (think I) have any wheezy machines left myself, > but have acquired clients who do). Aside: For those on the