Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-09 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:03:47 -0700 Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me point out I am a big fan of RAR. Have been for, what, well over a > decade now. However, some of what you're saying is untrue. Possibly, but to be fair, I didn't say it; I was forwarding a posting. Also, it w

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Steve Lamb
Mal Beaton wrote: > rsync to get a complete picture of the system then rdiff-backup for > incremental changes. I actually keep a seperate old box with big disks > just for the backup. I like rdiff-backup as you can do such stuff as > restore this file as it was x days ago. Beats having to dig out t

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Mal Beaton
David E. Fox wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:20:38 -0700 > Dave Carrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>The VMS backup facility did this correctly -- you took a full backup >>once a month and incrementals every day (this was back in the days where >>9 track tape was most common). If you had a d

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Lamb
David E. Fox wrote: > You might check this posting[1] on Mandrake expert advocating highly > redundant rar files for the backups. Let me point out I am a big fan of RAR. Have been for, what, well over a decade now. However, some of what you're saying is untrue. > Also, with tar or gzip, you

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread Lorenzo Taylor
I'm not sure about the recovery data, but p7zip will handle multivolume archives and has a superior compression ratio to rar. Plus it is GPL. Lorenzo -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:+ a- C+++ UL P+ L+++ E- W++ N o K- w--- O M V- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5+ X+ R tv-- b+

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread David E. Fox
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:17:14 -0300 Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for > backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing > up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fi

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread David E. Fox
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:20:38 -0700 Dave Carrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The VMS backup facility did this correctly -- you took a full backup > once a month and incrementals every day (this was back in the days where > 9 track tape was most common). If you had a disk crash, you did a Back

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-25 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jun 25 2005, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Except, of course for the CD-RWs, which I found a nuisance to erase. > I'vr gone the dismountable hard disk route, and haven't regretted it. Have you ever used a DVD+RW? You need no stinking erase phase. Just record over it and you're done. Using DVD-RWs is si

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:22:27AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:> Alvin Oga wrote: > > Using an extra 300GB disk is out of the question and that's precisely > why I was asking about other's experiences regarding removeable media. And later, Alvin Oga wrote: > > I'm still open to suggestions re

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Siju George
On 6/22/05, Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Siju George wrote: > > Thanks for the reply rick :-) > > > > could you please suggest some DVD writers that works well with Sarge?? > > > > Knd regards > > > > Siju > > Well, I use an HP dvd

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Rick Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Siju George wrote: > Thanks for the reply rick :-) > > could you please suggest some DVD writers that works well with Sarge?? > > Knd regards > > Siju Well, I use an HP dvd writer dvd420i. It supports DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW & DVD+RW. It works perfect

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Siju George
On 6/22/05, Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Adam Hardy wrote: > > Does anyone backup to DVD? How many gigs can you fit on a DVD? > > > I backup certain files and directories to DVD all the time. DVD will > hold 4.7GB. Of course, if y

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Rick Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Hardy wrote: > Does anyone backup to DVD? How many gigs can you fit on a DVD? I backup certain files and directories to DVD all the time. DVD will hold 4.7GB. Of course, if you backup using compression you can fit much more than 4.7GB on a DVD.

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Adam Hardy
On 21/06/05 15:22 Rogério Brito wrote: Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rogério Brito wrote: All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie a

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Dave Patterson
* Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-21 07:52:58 -0400]: > Check out MondoArchive. It's at http://www.mondorescue.org. > If you need to do a complete restore from some disaster, simply pop the > CD (or DVD) into the drive and boot from it. The restore program will > begin automatically.

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jun 21 2005, Maurits van Rees wrote: > One way---though it may not be entirely user friendly---would be to > create some directories. Copy the wanted files to those > directories. Check with 'du -h --max-depth=1' how big those > directories have become. When the directories are too big you move

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rick Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rogério Brito wrote: > I'm still open to suggestions regarding backing up on CDs/DVDs. I see > some potential packages on the repository, but I would like to know > other's experiences with them and if any of them would allow things like > Apple's Back

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rogério Brito
Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rogério Brito wrote: All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into one

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Alvin Oga
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rogério Brito wrote: > All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for > backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing > up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into > one CD/DVD?

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Dave Howorth
Maurits van Rees wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: Siju George wrote: Relational Database Systems (RDBMS) cannot be backed up while live. This is just a fact of life, true for any backup system. It depends what guarantees of integrity you need and what ta

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 04:17:14AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: > All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for > backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing > up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into > one CD/D

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rogério Brito
All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into one CD/DVD? Although I have not used it yet, I would like to use something li

Re: Good backup software for Linux - why

2005-06-20 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya as ya'll can tell there is no one real answer for "good backup" and everybody has their favorites methodology and assumptions and willingness to accept the restriction that any particular app has -- a good backup app .. - you must decide on which backup media - flo

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > Siju George wrote: > >Relational Database Systems (RDBMS) cannot be backed up while live. > > This is just a fact of life, true for any backup system. It depends what > guarantees of integrity you need and what table types you're usi

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Carrigan
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 09:20:59AM +0200, Maurits van Rees wrote: > I read this as: you make a backup on Monday. You delete some files on > Tuesday. You restore from backup on Wednesday and this will restore > all files including the deleted ones. Usually getting back a deleted > file is why you b

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Carrigan
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > This is just a fact of life, true for any backup system. It depends what > guarantees of integrity you need and what table types you're using. I > use InnoDB and want error-free backups so I just send '/etc/init.d/mysql > stop' as

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 09:15:53AM -0400, Dragan Cvetkovic wrote: > Andy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Such will be the case when backing up RDBMS dumps and log files. > > > > I like LVM snapshots for this purpose. > > > > For MySQL in particular you can also run replication to a slave

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Dragan Cvetkovic
Andy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Such will be the case when backing up RDBMS dumps and log files. > > I like LVM snapshots for this purpose. > > For MySQL in particular you can also run replication to a slave for > backup purposes, but I like the LVM snapshot approach as it works > for an

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 05:46:09PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > ome of the folders I want to backup regularly is > > /var/lib/mysql > > but [...] > Relational Database Systems (RDBMS) cannot be backed up while live. > > and > > Likewise, if there is a high file creation or modification turnov

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Howorth
Siju George wrote: ome of the folders I want to backup regularly is /var/lib/mysql but http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/dirvish_backup/snapshot.html 2.3. Practical Considerations says Relational Database Systems (RDBMS) cannot be backed up while live. This is just a fact of life, true

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Siju George
On 6/20/05, Dave Howorth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Siju George wrote: > > Could some one please tell me a good backup software for Linux. > > > Now I should be able to restore "dir1" from "backup2" with only "fle1" > > and &quo

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Siju George
On 6/20/05, David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 20 June 2005 11:21, Siju George wrote: > > On 6/20/05, Simon Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:36 +0300, kalasala wrote: > > > > http://www.amanda.org/ > > > > > > Well, Amanda is really for backing

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread David Goodenough
On Monday 20 June 2005 11:21, Siju George wrote: > On 6/20/05, Simon Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:36 +0300, kalasala wrote: > > > http://www.amanda.org/ > > > > Well, Amanda is really for backing up multiple servers to a single > > archiving device isn't it? As t

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Simon Kitching
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 15:51 +0530, Siju George wrote: > On 6/20/05, Simon Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:36 +0300, kalasala wrote: > > > http://www.amanda.org/ > > > > Well, Amanda is really for backing up multiple servers to a single > > archiving device isn't it

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Siju George
On 6/20/05, Simon Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:36 +0300, kalasala wrote: > > http://www.amanda.org/ > > Well, Amanda is really for backing up multiple servers to a single > archiving device isn't it? As the original poster didn't state what he > wanted backed up I

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Siju George
On 6/20/05, Maurits van Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:15:03PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > > I am looking at Bacula > > > > but the line > > > > # Files deleted after a Full save will be included in a restoration. > > > > in > > > > http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/Cur

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Lee Braiden
On Monday 20 Jun 2005 07:45, Siju George wrote: > If in a Directory "dir1" I have "file1", "file2", "file3" and I take a > full backup "backup1" on "Day1" the I delete "file2" from "dir1" and > take a differential backup "backup2". > > Now I should be able to restore "dir1" from "backup2" with only

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Simon Kitching
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:36 +0300, kalasala wrote: > http://www.amanda.org/ Well, Amanda is really for backing up multiple servers to a single archiving device isn't it? As the original poster didn't state what he wanted backed up I presume it's a desktop machine. Regards, Simon -- To UNSUBS

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread kalasala
http://www.amanda.org/On 6/20/05, Dave Howorth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Siju George wrote:>  Could some one please tell me a good backup software for Linux. > Now I should be able to restore "dir1" from "backup2" with only "fle1"> and "file2&q

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Howorth
Siju George wrote: Could some one please tell me a good backup software for Linux. Now I should be able to restore "dir1" from "backup2" with only "fle1" and "file2" You might want to take a look at dirvish, which can certainly do this. Every diff

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:15:03PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > Could some one please tell me a good backup software for Linux. This comes up every few days or weeks in this newsgroup, so I suggest searching the archives at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user. I think it can be summarised

Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-19 Thread Siju George
Hi, Could some one please tell me a good backup software for Linux. I am looking at Bacula but the line # Files deleted after a Full save will be included in a restoration. in http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/Current_State_Bacula.html under Current Implementation Restrictions makes me