Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-08-22 Thread John Hasler
Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... I agree that this is objectionable. In any case, dpkg --force-help should tell you what you need to know in order to get rid of hal. -- John Hasler -- To

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-18 Thread Dirk
Jochen Schulz wrote: Dirk: John Hasler wrote: File a bug against xserver-xorg and firmly but _politely_ explain your objection. someone already did... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515214 Well, the first messages in this bug report weren't very polite either... and i

HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Dirk
some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... you can get the sovereignty over your system back by purging hal from your installation and adding this - Section ServerFlags Option

HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Dirk
some true a**hole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... you can get the sovereignty over your system back by purging hal from your installation and adding this - Section ServerFlags Option

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Dirk
Javier Barroso wrote: Hi, On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: some true a**hole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... you can get the sovereignty over your system back by purging hal from your installation and

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Javier Barroso
Hi, On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: some true a**hole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... you can get the sovereignty over your system back by purging hal from your installation and adding this

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Randy Kramer
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... Just for clarification, is this in Debian stable or test? Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Javier Barroso
Hi, On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... Just for clarification, is this in Debian stable or

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Dirk
Randy Kramer wrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... Just for clarification, is this in Debian stable or test? Randy Kramer unstable.. if it was already in

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Thorny
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:22:59 +0200, Dirk posted: Randy Kramer wrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... Just for clarification, is this in Debian stable or test?

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Dirk
Thorny wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:22:59 +0200, Dirk posted: Randy Kramer wrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... Just for clarification, is this in Debian

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread John Hasler
Thorny writes: Well, complaining here will probably not do much for you either, even though you have now identified your version. You might want to try a developers list rather than a users one. Of course, they might not like the way you explain your complaint. File a bug against xserver-xorg

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Dirk
John Hasler wrote: Thorny writes: Well, complaining here will probably not do much for you either, even though you have now identified your version. You might want to try a developers list rather than a users one. Of course, they might not like the way you explain your complaint. File a bug

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Javier Barroso
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: John Hasler wrote: Thorny writes: Well, complaining here will probably not do much for you either, even though you have now identified your version. You might want to try a developers list rather than a users one. Of course, they

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a dependency(!) of xorg now... you can get the sovereignty over your system back by purging hal from your installation and adding this - Section ServerFlags

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Jochen Schulz
Dirk: John Hasler wrote: File a bug against xserver-xorg and firmly but _politely_ explain your objection. someone already did... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515214 and the replies, nitpicking and bullshitting already took more place, energy and time than

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:51, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: John Hasler wrote: Thorny writes: Well, complaining here will probably not do much for you either, even though you have now identified your version. You might want to try a developers list rather than a users one. Of course, they

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread John Hasler
Kelly writes: Anyway, X can make very good use of some of the services hal provides, and there is no sensein Xorg recreating that functionality when it already exists. That is grounds for a Suggests, or perhaps even a Recommends. It is not grounds for a Depends. I know of nothing Hal does

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 14 Apr 2009, Javier Barroso wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: John Hasler wrote: Thorny writes: Well, complaining here will probably not do much for you either, even though you have now identified your version. You might want to try a developers

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:01:01 +0200 Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: Thorny wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:22:59 +0200, Dirk posted: Randy Kramer wrote: On Tuesday 14 April 2009 05:49:48 am Dirk wrote: some true asshole decreased linux' value as an alternative to windows by making hal a

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Javier Barroso
Hi, On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: But how to avoid adding hal in a dist-upgradeāļ™? Now you can't, you will have to wait debian release a xorg-xserver-nohal or similar package (as suggeted in the bug commented before in this thread) Regards, -- To

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Alex Samad
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:12:25AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:51, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: John Hasler wrote: Thorny writes: Well, complaining here will probably not do much for you either, even [snip] Actually, hal is a rather useful piece of

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Graham
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:00:22 +0300 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: They know exactly what they do, and it's been in experimental for testing for a long time now. The whole idea is to allow hot plugging devices such as mice, printers etc. If you look in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/

Re: HOWTO run xorg without hal

2009-04-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:06:34PM +0100, Graham wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:00:22 +0300 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: They know exactly what they do, and it's been in experimental for testing for a long time now. The whole idea is to allow hot plugging devices such as mice,