On Lu, 15 feb 21, 08:20:39, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 10:47:41AM -0500, Michael Grant wrote:
> > One comment though, in the 10+ years of running Debian Testing, I have
> > to say that Testing is actually very reliable, way more reliable than
> > it's name implies!
>
> This can
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 10:47:41AM -0500, Michael Grant wrote:
> One comment though, in the 10+ years of running Debian Testing, I have
> to say that Testing is actually very reliable, way more reliable than
> it's name implies!
This can be true for many users. It can also be catastrophically fal
On Sb, 13 feb 21, 11:57:42, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> I was not thinking this would cause more (or significantly more
> anyway) work than we already do. Dot releases are tested. It might
> even be *less* work as upgrades would be incremental and smaller
> rather than large.
https://wiki.debian.o
On Sb, 13 feb 21, 11:31:16, songbird wrote:
>
> to me the freeze should just be a snapshot that is
> worked from off to the side and then unstable can
> continue to be worked on and security fixes and such
> can keep working through to testing.
This can already be done, e.g. by uploading to
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 06:58:36PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 13 feb 21, 10:47:41, Michael Grant wrote:
> >
> > I completely understand the desire for stability and reliability. But
> > it seems like having to wait up to 2 years for some major new feature
> > to get into Debian can be
On Sb, 13 feb 21, 11:57:42, Michael Grant wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 11:31:16AM -0500, songbird wrote:
> > yes, but since Debian is run by volunteers and many of
> > them are very busy it has been talked about but not beyond
> > that. the idea of rolling releases, always releasable, and
On Sb, 13 feb 21, 10:47:41, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> I completely understand the desire for stability and reliability. But
> it seems like having to wait up to 2 years for some major new feature
> to get into Debian can be daunting, especially when it gets into
> Testing. I was wondering, is the
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 11:31:16AM -0500, songbird wrote:
> yes, but since Debian is run by volunteers and many of
> them are very busy it has been talked about but not beyond
> that. the idea of rolling releases, always releasable, and
> some other phrases has been discussed, but until enough
Michael Grant wrote:
...
> I completely understand the desire for stability and reliability. But
> it seems like having to wait up to 2 years for some major new feature
> to get into Debian can be daunting, especially when it gets into
> Testing. I was wondering, is there, or has anyone given any
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 02:32:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> The below is my opinion: it is informed by watching other folk have problems
> over the years.
>
> TLDR; - If you are running a production system - run Debian's latest stable
> release. Stable
> gets security support and backp
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 12:05:44PM -0500, Michael Grant wrote:
> Replying to this message that's just over a month old now. Now that
> 10.8 just came out, is this a good time to jump off the testing repo
> and onto stable for my production box? Is this one of those rare
> moments when testing and
On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 12:05 -0500, Michael Grant wrote:
> Replying to this message that's just over a month old now. Now that
> 10.8 just came out, is this a good time to jump off the testing repo
> and onto stable for my production box? Is this one of those rare
> moments when testing and stable
Replying to this message that's just over a month old now. Now that
10.8 just came out, is this a good time to jump off the testing repo
and onto stable for my production box? Is this one of those rare
moments when testing and stable line up? Or should I continue to wait
for Bullseye?
On Tue, J
On Ma, 12 ian 21, 10:23:23, Michael Grant wrote:
> Let's say I want to run 'testing' to be more on the edge to get the
> latest and greatest of packages and to incrementally always be on top
> of updates rather than having to do large release updates. But from
> time to time there is a security
On Ma, 12 ian 21, 11:03:06, Michael Grant wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:35:05AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Are you running a production system?
>
> Yes, I guess you could call it production. It's my family & friends
> server. In all the time I have been running Debian Testing, I have
>
Michael Grant wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:35:05AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Are you running a production system?
>
> Yes, I guess you could call it production. It's my family & friends server.
> In all the time I have been running Debian Testing, I have never once
> suffered a seri
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:35:05AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Are you running a production system?
Yes, I guess you could call it production. It's my family & friends server.
In all the time I have been running Debian Testing, I have never once suffered
a serious or protracted disaster as you
Michael Grant wrote:
> Let's say I want to run 'testing' to be more on the edge to get the latest
> and greatest of packages and to incrementally always be on top of updates
> rather than having to do large release updates. But from time to time there
> is a security update to a package which
Let's say I want to run 'testing' to be more on the edge to get the latest and
greatest of packages and to incrementally always be on top of updates rather
than having to do large release updates. But from time to time there is a
security update to a package which is newer, or if something spec
On Lu, 11 ian 21, 14:54:52, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 09:26:11PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Lu, 11 ian 21, 08:06:50, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:03:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > In my experience 'apt upgrade' is sufficient for most
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 08:56:25PM +, Brian wrote:
On Mon 11 Jan 2021 at 14:54:52 -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 09:26:11PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > In my experience 'apt upgrade' is sufficient for most (1 in 10 or even
> > > more) upgrades, even on unstable.
>
On Mon 11 Jan 2021 at 14:54:52 -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 09:26:11PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Lu, 11 ian 21, 08:06:50, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:03:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > In my experience 'apt upgrade' is sufficie
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 09:26:11PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 11 ian 21, 08:06:50, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:03:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> In my experience 'apt upgrade' is sufficient for most (1 in 10 or even
> more) upgrades, even on unstable.
I think y
On Lu, 11 ian 21, 08:06:50, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:03:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > In my experience 'apt upgrade' is sufficient for most (1 in 10 or even
> > more) upgrades, even on unstable.
>
> I think you made a typo somewhere in there.
None that I can spot
Greg Wooledge wrote:
...
> You can get that behavior from apt-get by adding the --with-new-pkgs
> option, but it's hard to remember and hard to type. I suspect most
> apt-get users just bump it up to "apt-get dist-upgrade" whenever there's
> a new kernel ABI or whatever.
correct. since i prelo
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:03:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> In my experience 'apt upgrade' is sufficient for most (1 in 10 or even
> more) upgrades, even on unstable.
I think you made a typo somewhere in there.
> Only when APT mentions packages being kept on hold it is necessary to
> *try
[removing -backports from Cc:]
On Sb, 09 ian 21, 14:48:43, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > Debian unstable can be quite usable, provided that you are willing to
> >
> > 1. Invest the time to familiarise yourself with APT and friends (dpkg,
> > aptit
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> In practice several important packages are updated quite regularly:
[…]
Note that packages being updated is not always a good thing.
Having the stability of a tested set to rely on is also
appreciated. It’s also more important to have the security
and
[this is more suitable for debian-user, adding Cc: accordingly]
On Vi, 08 ian 21, 23:21:32, Gregg Nemas wrote:
> Micha,
>
> Thanks for your efforts.
>
> I am considering switching to Debian Stable from Fedora (which no
> longer supports 32-bit systems) and was wondering whether Debian
> Stable +
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