Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-06 Thread tomas
On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 09:27:06PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 06/12/2023 12:04, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 02:42:32AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > > > > > sudo sync; sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' > > > > > > Sadly it looks like I'll need to do

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-06 Thread Max Nikulin
On 06/12/2023 01:42, jeremy ardley wrote: I have discovered a magic bullet for solving running out of memory sudo sync; sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' Sadly it looks like I'll need to do this daily, simply for using Debian Bookworm with a variety of web browsers Magic does

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-06 Thread Max Nikulin
On 06/12/2023 12:04, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 02:42:32AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: sudo sync; sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' Sadly it looks like I'll need to do this daily, See /etc/sysctl.conf and /etc/sysctl.conf.d if you want to make such things

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-06 Thread debian-user
Karl Vogel wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 06:04:36AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 02:42:32AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > > > > I have discovered a magic bullet for solving running out of memory > > > sudo sync; sudo sh -c 'echo 3 >

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-06 Thread Karl Vogel
On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 06:04:36AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 02:42:32AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > > I have discovered a magic bullet for solving running out of memory > > sudo sync; sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' > > Sadly it looks like I'll

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-05 Thread tomas
On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 02:42:32AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: [...] > I have discovered a magic bullet for solving running out of memory > > sudo sync; sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' > > Sadly it looks like I'll need to do this daily, See /etc/sysctl.conf and

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-05 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 10:26, Max Nikulin wrote: On 03/12/2023 13:33, jeremy ardley wrote: On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote: What type of content is generally being viewed/used in firefox? A lot of video and otherwise news and search and GPT4 ---

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-04 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 10:49, Max Nikulin wrote: On 04/12/2023 09:39, jeremy ardley wrote: I think I've found a potential culprit using about:processes https://openai.com 110% CPU I would try it in chromium. Some sites relies on optimizations implemented in its JavaScript engine. My observation is

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 04/12/2023 09:39, jeremy ardley wrote: I think I've found a potential culprit using about:processes https://openai.com 110% CPU I would try it in chromium. Some sites relies on optimizations implemented in its JavaScript engine. My observation is that Firefox may be CPU hungry due to

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 10:26, Max Nikulin wrote: > I am curious if this creature may provide a summary on user-space OOM > killers. I have never tried them, but I expect that they may be more > intelligent than the kernel-space one. I have seen mentions of the > following ones: earlyoom, nohang, oomd.

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 03/12/2023 13:33, jeremy ardley wrote: On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote: What type of content is generally being viewed/used in firefox? A lot of video and otherwise news and search and GPT4 --- I am curious if this creature may

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Tom Dial
On 12/3/23 01:00, jeremy ardley wrote: On 3/12/23 15:37, Phil Wyett wrote: Not to regurgitating info here, I will add a link below that will instruct how to adjust or disable oom-killer in a sensible manner if you wish to experiment (your choice and being cautious :-)) if it is in fact the

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 06:08, Michael Kjörling wrote: The reason for the system slowing down seems to me to likely be that once the system comes under memory pressure (quite possibly due to an increase in anonymous pages), it must evict something, and only non-anonymous (that is, backed) pages can be

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 3 Dec 2023 14:33 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): >> You have swap and it is enabled? > > No Swap. I prefer not on SSD Why not? You are definitely putting the VM allocator in a much more difficult spot than necessary by not providing any swap space. If I read what you

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 12:58:47PM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > I noticed my Firefox -esr browser becoming progressively more sluggish. Then > suddenly I was back to the system login screen > > This is not the first time this has happened although previously when it > started

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 6:21 AM jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote: > > Your system RAM total is? > > 32G You might also want to try compressed memory, like zram. > > You have swap and it is enabled? > > No Swap. I prefer not on SSD In this configuration, you may want

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Phil Wyett
On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 16:00 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 15:37, Phil Wyett wrote: > > Not to regurgitating info here, I will add a link below that will > > instruct how to adjust or disable oom-killer in a sensible manner if > > you wish to experiment (your choice and being

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Phil Wyett
On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 14:59 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 14:46, Phil Wyett wrote: > > The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see > > what benefits that brings. I have no production laptop or desktop > > (laptop with 32G being daily driver with NVME

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 3/12/23 15:37, Phil Wyett wrote: Not to regurgitating info here, I will add a link below that will instruct how to adjust or disable oom-killer in a sensible manner if you wish to experiment (your choice and being cautious :-)) if it is in fact the oom-killer algorithm that is the main

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread David Christensen
On 12/2/23 20:58, jeremy ardley wrote: I noticed my Firefox -esr browser becoming progressively more sluggish. Then suddenly I was back to the system login screen This is not the first time this has happened although previously when it started getting sluggish I killed all Firefox related

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread Phil Wyett
On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 14:59 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 14:46, Phil Wyett wrote: > > The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see > > what benefits that brings. I have no production laptop or desktop > > (laptop with 32G being daily driver with NVME

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread Tom Furie
jeremy ardley writes: > I don't think it is actually a lack of memory. What I do see is all > the web browsers are up there on CPU along with nvidia-modeset. What do you consider to be "up there"? 4.3% (your highest CPU usage in this output) hardly seems to qualify as something to be concerned

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread jeremy ardley
On 3/12/23 14:46, Phil Wyett wrote: The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see what benefits that brings. I have no production laptop or desktop (laptop with 32G being daily driver with NVME (root) and an SSD (home) drive inside) that does not have swap. I have 8G

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread Phil Wyett
On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 14:33 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote: > > Your system RAM total is? > > 32G > > > > You have swap and it is enabled? > > No Swap. I prefer not on SSD > > > Hi, The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread jeremy ardley
On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote: Your system RAM total is? 32G You have swap and it is enabled? No Swap. I prefer not on SSD What Desktop Environment (DE) are you using - GNOME, KDE etc.? Mate with multiple panels. How many apps would you normally be running on the system at

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread Phil Wyett
On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 12:58 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > I noticed my Firefox -esr browser becoming progressively more sluggish. > Then suddenly I was back to the system login screen > > This is not the first time this has happened although previously when it > started getting sluggish I

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread Tom Furie
jeremy ardley writes: > I noticed my Firefox -esr browser becoming progressively more > sluggish. Then suddenly I was back to the system login screen > > This is not the first time this has happened although previously when > it started getting sluggish I killed all Firefox related process > >

Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-02 Thread jeremy ardley
I noticed my Firefox -esr browser becoming progressively more sluggish. Then suddenly I was back to the system login screen This is not the first time this has happened although previously when it started getting sluggish I killed all Firefox related process System logs show the start of the