Re: info vs. man

2024-06-12 Thread Max Nikulin
at info pages *exist* and *are a thing* that they need to know about. It's planting a seed for the future. I misunderstood your intention and I am sorry for that. I found your words quite discouraging in respect to "info", perhaps it is just language barrier. Info is quite important. While

Re: info vs. man (was: Re: date for week)

2024-06-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
ot;(coreutils) date conversion specifiers") RET > or at least > emacs -f info-standalone '(coreutils) date conversion specifiers' > > I do not mind that info browsers have usability issues. For beginners I > would recommend tkinfo instead of terminal "info". I hav

info vs. man (was: Re: date for week)

2024-06-11 Thread Max Nikulin
do not mind that info browsers have usability issues. For beginners I would recommend tkinfo instead of terminal "info". I have not tried pinfo. Texinfo, unlike man, has a notion of hyperlink. In the case of man it is just formatting that suggests that some part of text is a reference

Re: man page for cut

2024-01-17 Thread Tom Furie
Richmond writes: > In the man page for cut it says: > > -b, --bytes=LIST > select only these bytes > > But there is no equals sign in the actual syntax: > > echo hello|cut -b 2-5 > ello > > echo hello|cut -b=2-5 > cut: invalid byte/charact

Re: man page for cut

2024-01-17 Thread Dan Ritter
Richmond wrote: > echo hello|cut -b=2-5 > cut: invalid byte/character position ‘=2-5’ > Try 'cut --help' for more information. > > Why is this? > > (An example paints a thousand words). $ echo hello|cut -b 2-5 ello $ echo hello|cut --bytes=2-5 ello -dsr-

Re: man page for cut

2024-01-17 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2024-01-17 at 17:26 +, Richmond wrote: > In the man page for cut it says: > > -b, --bytes=LIST > select only these bytes > > But there is no equals sign in the actual syntax: > > echo hello|cut -b 2-5 > ello > > echo hello|cut -b=

man page for cut

2024-01-17 Thread Richmond
In the man page for cut it says: -b, --bytes=LIST select only these bytes But there is no equals sign in the actual syntax: echo hello|cut -b 2-5 ello echo hello|cut -b=2-5 cut: invalid byte/character position ‘=2-5’ Try 'cut --help' for more information. Why

FTP Repository all man pages?

2023-04-20 Thread jeremy ardley
Is there any FTP repository that holds all the current Jessie man page files in one location? I have tried various scripts and wget to extract man pages from https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/ but my scripting ability lacks somewhat. Jeremy

Re: rtorrent man page, Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell mail bounces

2023-03-30 Thread Emanuel Berg
>>> does it belong to the distribution per se or how does >>> that work? >> >> If you mean, can debian change the man page they >> distribute, then I believe the answer is absolutely yes. >> (Would not be debian-free otherwise). > > OK, yeah, mak

Re: rtorrent man page, Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell mail bounces

2023-03-30 Thread Emanuel Berg
davidson wrote: >> does it belong to the distribution per se or how does >> that work? > > If you mean, can debian change the man page they distribute, > then I believe the answer is absolutely yes. (Would not be > debian-free otherwise). OK, yeah, makes sense. -- un

Re: rtorrent man page, Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell mail bounces

2023-03-30 Thread davidson
nt version 0.9.8. Report bugs to . ^^^^^^ So the man page should be updated, Definitely. And for more than one reason. Last message posted on debian bug 903820 #903820 - rtorrent: old outdated manpage https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903820#5

Re: rtorrent man page, Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell mail bounces

2023-03-30 Thread Emanuel Berg
und at ##rtorr...@irc.freenode.net which > should be used for user-support. > > If you didn't get a reply to a mail sent to this address, > it may either mean he is busy, has a rather full inbox or > that you should have searched the internet first. > > Maybe the contact

Re: rtorrent man page, Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell mail bounces

2023-03-30 Thread davidson
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 Emanuel Berg wrote: FYI the man page for rtorrent, from 2015-02-25, has this part AUTHORS Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell I tried to mail him but that mail bounces, apparently it's an alias which expands into ja...@student.matnat.uio.no but it's a "Gone&q

rtorrent man page, Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell mail bounces

2023-03-29 Thread Emanuel Berg
FYI the man page for rtorrent, from 2015-02-25, has this part AUTHORS Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell I tried to mail him but that mail bounces, apparently it's an alias which expands into ja...@student.matnat.uio.no but it's a "Gone", 550. -- underground experts united h

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-28 Thread John Hasler
rhkramer writes: > Some examples from (simple) math include adding zero or multiplying by > 1. Those are respectively the additive and multiplicative identities. They are, of course, idempotent but not good examples because they never change the operand even on first application. A better

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
well. It's sad, isn't it, that the OP will spend hours writing pedantic nonsense about the meaning of "idempotent" or rants about how Debian maintainers should spend their time stripping historical author identifications out of man pages, but won't spend five minutes clearly writing out

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread The Wanderer
hat *does* need it through exif twice in a row rather than just once, and in principle it would be possible for exif to do the detection internally and avoid the need for this external logic. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in tr

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread David Wright
st invocation) > >> > >> for f in **/*.jpg; do exif --remove -o $f $f; done | grep > > 'Wrote > >> file' | wc -l # 2277 (2nd invocation) > > > > There is NO exif output in that message. > > It's IPC, piped to wc. You want

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
debian-user wrote: >> In programming the focus is perhaps better, for something >> idempotent, something like: Do it the first time. >> Don't screw it up the second time? And don't do the >> computing if it doesn't need to be done? > > Sorry, but idempotence says nothing at all about >

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-26 Thread debian-user
> In programming the focus is perhaps better, for something > idempotent, something like: Do it the first time. Don't screw > it up the second time? And don't do the computing if it > doesn't need to be done? Sorry, but idempotence says nothing at all about computational efficiency or cost.

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
ne | grep > 'Wrote >> file' | wc -l # 2277 (2nd invocation) > > There is NO exif output in that message. It's IPC, piped to wc. You want me to yank it here? Sure, just ask man ... $ repeat 2 for f in **/*.jpg; do exif --remove -o $f $f; done 2>&1 | head -n 10 &

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 09:07:29PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > See the first post ... > >>> > >>> The OP didn't contain any exif output, only a couple of > >>> command lines, apparently written in zsh shell > >> > >> Look again! > > > > Look at it? I'll quote it in

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
Curt wrote: > One "programming" example given on that same Wikipedia page > was that if you applied an update operation to Lutz > Mueller's email address in a database (*ich habe > Kopfschmerzen*!) that same update applied a second or third > time (ad infinitum) would produce identical results.

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
ook more, quote less ... for f in **/*.jpg; do exif --remove -o $f $f; done | grep 'Wrote file' | wc -l # 2277 (1st invocation) for f in **/*.jpg; do exif --remove -o $f $f; done | grep 'Wrote file' | wc -l # 2277 (2nd invocation) > Please—there's no ma

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
mick.crane wrote: >> I have now clarified to the best of my ability the meaning >> of that word and I think that will help people understand >> at last why incorrect tech information, actually >> disinformation at that point, can't be allowed in software >> documentation. I get it now that this

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread David Wright
fied to the best of my ability the meaning of > that word and I think that will help people understand at last > why incorrect tech information, actually disinformation at > that point, can't be allowed in software documentation. I get > it now that this was the root of the confusion but a

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-26 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, September 25, 2022 08:42:57 AM The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-25 at 08:22, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Oops, ignore that previous response ... > > > > On second thought, what hede wrote is correct, it is just stated in a > > way that I wasn't famiiar with (and I haven't had my

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-26 Thread Curt
On 2022-09-25, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > >> If the nature of operation O is such that objects B and >> C are guaranteed to always be identical, no matter what >> object A was, then operation O is categorized as >> being idempotent. > > It has to do with the number of times it is

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-26 Thread mick.crane
On 2022-09-26 06:42, Emanuel Berg wrote: <...> I have now clarified to the best of my ability the meaning of that word and I think that will help people understand at last why incorrect tech information, actually disinformation at that point, can't be allowed in software documentation. I get it

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-25 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Wright wrote: >> See the first post ... > > The OP didn't contain any exif output, only a couple of > command lines, apparently written in zsh shell Look again! > The focus of the thread seems to have changed to the meaning > of a word in the Subject, and an old email address that > might

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-25 Thread David Wright
On Sun 25 Sep 2022 at 07:52:38 (+0200), Emanuel Berg wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > If I had the first inkling of a clue what an exif tag > > actually *was* I might try testing it myself. I'm gathering > > that it has something to do with JPEG images, based on the > > *.modified.jpeg default

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-25 Thread debian-user
> rhkramer wrote: > > > An operation that produces the same results no matter how > > many times it is performed. > > Yeah, obviously it is a term from math and in practical and > applied engineering as is programming I thought of > a definition (not really) like this > > - apply once, you

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-25 Thread Emanuel Berg
The Wanderer wrote: > If the nature of operation O is such that objects B and > C are guaranteed to always be identical, no matter what > object A was, then operation O is categorized as > being idempotent. It has to do with the number of times it is applied, abs(x) = abs(abs(x)) =

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-25 Thread Emanuel Berg
rhkramer wrote: > An operation that produces the same results no matter how > many times it is performed. Yeah, obviously it is a term from math and in practical and applied engineering as is programming I thought of a definition (not really) like this - apply once, you get the change - apply

Re: Dash man page not correct?

2022-09-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:10:39 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > Alternately, please consider subscribing, so that you will receive > replies regardless. Please do. Some of us crusty old curmudgeons don't always remember to CC people who aren't on the list. -- Does anybody read signatures any more?

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-25 Thread hede
Am 25.09.2022 14:42, schrieb The Wanderer: On 2022-09-25 at 08:22, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On second thought, what hede wrote is correct, it is just stated in a way that I wasn't famiiar with (and I haven't had my morning coffee yet) Are you sure? Meanwhile, I do think my description was

Re: Dash man page not correct?

2022-09-25 Thread Perry Smith
> On Sep 25, 2022, at 10:10, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2022-09-25 at 11:00, Perry Smith wrote: > >> I have Debian bullseye installed in a container. My reading of the man >> page[1] >> is to use the -i flag to get dash to read $HOME/.profile. But that does

Re: Dash man page not correct?

2022-09-25 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-25 at 11:00, Perry Smith wrote: > I have Debian bullseye installed in a container. My reading of the man > page[1] > is to use the -i flag to get dash to read $HOME/.profile. But that doesn’t > seem > to work for me. Instead, -l needs to be used. At le

Dash man page not correct?

2022-09-25 Thread Perry Smith
I have Debian bullseye installed in a container. My reading of the man page[1] is to use the -i flag to get dash to read $HOME/.profile. But that doesn’t seem to work for me. Instead, -l needs to be used. At least, that seems to be true for me using Docker. Does this seem to be correct

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-25 Thread The Wanderer
h is how I read the explanation that hede gave); that's producing the same output with both the original input *and* the output obtained by processing that original input. The definitions found in foldoc and in the Jargon File seem compatible with that. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himse

Re: idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-25 Thread rhkramer
Oops, ignore that previous response ... On second thought, what hede wrote is correct, it is just stated in a way that I wasn't famiiar with (and I haven't had my morning coffee yet) Sorry for the noise! On Sunday, September 25, 2022 07:56:08 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday,

idempotent (was Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug)

2022-09-25 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 09:17:31 AM hede wrote: > "Idempotent" means, that a task with the same input data and the same > config (for example to remove a tag via exif-tool) results in the same > output data. Is this the case here? That is not my understanding of itempotent (nor of

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-25 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-25 at 01:43, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: >>> There should be no history entries in the man pages that >>> relates to practical aspects that are no >>> longer operational. >> >> The E-mail address doesn't relate to a practical >

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Emanuel Berg
Greg Wooledge wrote: >> The "-o" means: "Write output image to FILE". And it does >> so, as far as I can see. > > The question is whether specifying "-o f f" where the output file > has the same name as the input file actually overwrites the original > input file. Another person reported that it

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Emanuel Berg
hede wrote: > "Idempotent" means, that a task with the same input data and > the same config (for example to remove a tag via exif-tool) > results in the same output data. Determinism. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Emanuel Berg
The Wanderer wrote: >>> That's maintainership history, with E-mail >>> addresses attached. >> >> There should be no history entries in the man pages that >> relates to practical aspects that are no >> longer operational. > > The E-mail address does

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Sat 24 Sep 2022 at 12:13:09 (+1200), Alex King wrote: > On 24/09/22 03:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 11:22:31AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > > 'man bash' cites Brian Fox and Chet Ramey as the authors, and gives an > > > E-mail addre

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Sat 24 Sep 2022 at 10:43:04 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 03:17:31PM +0200, hede wrote: > > Am 21.09.2022 14:46, schrieb Emanuel Berg: > > > Maybe related to the '-o f f' part as your imagination > > > tells you ... > > > > The "-o" means: "Write output image to

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Sep 2022 at 16:14:43 (+0200), Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Wright wrote: > >> exif(1) which says on line 57 that --remove > >> > >> Remove the tag or (if no tag is specified) the entire IFD. > >> > >> Only if it does, why is it there the next time to be removed > >> as well? > > > >

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Curt
On 2022-09-24, Alex King wrote: > > > I've been using Debian as my main OS since 1997 or earlier. I've spent > 100s of hours reading man pages. Although it's a reasonable assumption > (since there are a lot of man pages with outdated AUTHORS sections), I > didn't know t

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 03:17:31PM +0200, hede wrote: > Am 21.09.2022 14:46, schrieb Emanuel Berg: > > Maybe related to the '-o f f' part as your imagination > > tells you ... > > The "-o" means: "Write output image to FILE". And it does so, as far as I > can see. The question is whether

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread hede
Am 21.09.2022 14:46, schrieb Emanuel Berg: I don't know what the intended behaviof of "exif --remove -o file file" is. I'm imagining [...] exif(1) which says on line 57 that --remove Remove the tag or (if no tag is specified) the entire IFD. "Idempotent" means, that a task with the same

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread Alex King
On 24/09/22 03:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 11:22:31AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: 'man bash' cites Brian Fox and Chet Ramey as the authors, and gives an E-mail address for each. (It's possible that they may be the active upstream maintainers, as well.) Chet Ramey

Re: Dash man page not correct?

2022-09-23 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-23 at 13:20, Perry Smith wrote: > I have Debian bullseye installed in a container. My reading of the man > page[1] > is to use the -i flag to get dash to read $HOME/.profile. But that doesn’t > seem > to work for me. Instead, -l needs to be used. At le

Dash man page not correct?

2022-09-23 Thread Perry Smith
I have Debian bullseye installed in a container. My reading of the man page[1] is to use the -i flag to get dash to read $HOME/.profile. But that doesn’t seem to work for me. Instead, -l needs to be used. At least, that seems to be true for me using Docker. Does this seem to be correct

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-23 at 12:02, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > >> That's maintainership history, with E-mail addresses attached. > > There should be no history entries in the man pages that relates to > practical aspects that are no longer operational. The E-mail a

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread Emanuel Berg
Greg Wooledge wrote: >> 'man bash' cites Brian Fox and Chet Ramey as the authors, >> and gives an E-mail address for each. (It's possible that >> they may be the active upstream maintainers, as well.) > > Chet Ramey is the current upstream bash maintainer. > Bria

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread Emanuel Berg
The Wanderer wrote: > That's maintainership history, with E-mail > addresses attached. There should be no history entries in the man pages that relates to practical aspects that are no longer operational. Commands, examples that once worked but are now removed, options that are ob

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-23 at 11:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 11:22:31AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> 'man bash' cites Brian Fox and Chet Ramey as the authors, and gives >> an E-mail address for each. (It's possible that they may be the >> active upstr

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 11:22:31AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > 'man bash' cites Brian Fox and Chet Ramey as the authors, and gives an > E-mail address for each. (It's possible that they may be the active > upstream maintainers, as well.) Chet Ramey is the current upstream bash maintaine

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-23 at 11:07, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/exif/exif.1.en.html >> >>AUTHOR >>exif was written by Lutz Mueller >> and numerous contributors. >>This man page is Copyr

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread Emanuel Berg
Greg Wooledge wrote: > https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/exif/exif.1.en.html > >AUTHOR >exif was written by Lutz Mueller > and numerous contributors. >This man page is Copyright © 2002-2012 Thomas Pircher, >Dan Fandrich and others. > > This isn'

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 04:14:43PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The fix in this case would amount to removing that entry from > the roff source. Let's be clear. We're talking about the exif(1) man page, as shown here? https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/exif/exif.1.en.html AUTHOR

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-23 Thread Emanuel Berg
David Wright wrote: >> But: isn't it still a bug in the distribution man page to >> refer to mail address that bounces? > > I hope the maintainers (Debian's) have better things to do Are you saying incorrect information in the man pages are OK in Debian? > than trawl th

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-21 Thread David Wright
C'd, let's see what they say. > > But: isn't it still a bug in the distribution man page to > refer to mail address that bounces? I hope the maintainers (Debian's) have better things to do than trawl through email addresses in man pages. The man page has its origin and date clear

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-21 Thread Emanuel Berg
Greg Wooledge wrote: > According to the package metadata, the Debian maintainer of > exif is: OK, cool. > Maintainer: Debian PhotoTools Maintainers > They are CC'd, let's see what they say. But: isn't it still a bug in the distribution man page to refer to mail address

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
hat the intended behaviof of "exif --remove -o file file" is. I'm imagining that it's like "sed -i" which always opens and writes a new instance of the file, even if no changes are made. > Debian should remove that from the man page then, i.e. exif(1) Remove what? Perh

exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-21 Thread Emanuel Berg
550 unknown user let's post it on gmane.linux.debian.user then ... Debian should remove that from the man page then, i.e. exif(1) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: No man page for gcc

2022-03-12 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 10:36:57PM +0100, Steve Keller wrote: > On debian bullseye I have installed GCC but don't find any manual page. > What am I missing? > You'll need to add 'contrib' and 'non-free' to your sources and then install the gcc-doc package [0]. Regards, -Roberto [0]

No man page for gcc

2022-03-12 Thread Steve Keller
On debian bullseye I have installed GCC but don't find any manual page. What am I missing? Steve

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 7, 2022 6:38:14 PM EST Ralph Katz wrote: > On 1/7/22 03:01, gene heskett wrote: > ... > > > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are > > underscored if you click on them while reading the man page, but > > clicki

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Ralph Katz
On 1/7/22 03:01, gene heskett wrote: ... I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are underscored if you click on them while reading the man page, but clicking the link does not do anything. Is it supposed to send the default browser to that page? If so, where should

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Curt
On 2022-01-07, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > I use the Shift + Right-click trick to get the menu in applications that > seem to block Gnome Terminal's handling of the URL. I've found the > trick useful with Mutt and Midnight Commander. > I see. I only experimented in a man page.

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 07 Jan 10:26 -0600, Curt wrote: > On 2022-01-07, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > > Did you try Shift + Right-click and select "Open Link" or some such in > > your terminal? That is what works for me in Gnome Terminal. > > > > This is what works for me in gnome-terminal: > > URL

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 7, 2022 6:41:45 AM EST Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > cat /etc/debian_version 11.2 And now I see how it works since it does that way, thank you. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread gene heskett
he F10 key, also a > > pita. But there is not an F10 checked in the settings for xfce or > > konsole that I can find. > > If you're using xfce4-terminal, look at xfce4-terminal's Edit / > Preferences / Advanced / Shortcuts / Disable menu shortcut key (F10 by > default) > > Celejar

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread gene heskett
net-install updated yesterday. > > > > > > > > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that > > > > are > > > > underscored if you click on them while reading the man page, but > > > > clicking > > > > the link does no

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Curt
On 2022-01-07, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Did you try Shift + Right-click and select "Open Link" or some such in > your terminal? That is what works for me in Gnome Terminal. > This is what works for me in gnome-terminal: URL detection[edit] GNOME Terminal parses the output and automatically

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 07 Jan 04:01 -0600, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > debian 11.1, 64 bit net-install updated yesterday. > > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are > underscored if you click on them while reading the man page, but clickin

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 08:13:42AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 01:09:38PM -, Curt wrote: > > I'd rather just cut and paste the URI in the always-open browser, but > > then again I've never had that old hacker spirit. > > That's what I do too. I like my terminals to

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 01:09:38PM -, Curt wrote: > I'd rather just cut and paste the URI in the always-open browser, but > then again I've never had that old hacker spirit. That's what I do too. I like my terminals to be relatively frill-free. Obviously that's just my preference, and I know

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Curt
On 2022-01-07, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 11:41:45AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 05:01:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: >> > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are > >> In a termin

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 05:59:36 -0500 gene heskett wrote: ... > That is installed, but I can't find a configurator for it. And I am a heavy > user of mc but the file menu popup steals the F10 key, also a pita. But > there is not an F10 checked in the settings for xfce or konsole that I can >

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 11:41:45AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 05:01:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are > In a terminal: left click might not do anything but right click will bring

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 05:01:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > debian 11.1, 64 bit net-install updated yesterday. > > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are > underscored if you click on them while reading the man

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread David
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 21:59, gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, January 7, 2022 5:21:03 AM EST David wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 21:01, gene heskett wrote: > > > debian 11.1, 64 bit net-install updated yesterday. > > > I've noted that there can be links

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, January 7, 2022 5:21:03 AM EST David wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 21:01, gene heskett wrote: > > debian 11.1, 64 bit net-install updated yesterday. > > > > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are > > underscored if you

Re: odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread David
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 21:01, gene heskett wrote: > debian 11.1, 64 bit net-install updated yesterday. > > I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are > underscored if you click on them while reading the man page, but clicking > the link does

odd question re man pages

2022-01-07 Thread gene heskett
Greetings all; debian 11.1, 64 bit net-install updated yesterday. I've noted that there can be links to a web page in a man page that are underscored if you click on them while reading the man page, but clicking the link does not do anything. Is it supposed to send the default browser

Re: Debian and FSF docs (was: Man pages for gcc)

2021-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 10 dec 21, 17:17:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:41:01PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > At the very least Debian could split non-free into sections or add more > > areas (non-free firmware being another obvious candidate for splitting > > out). > > > > Do

Re: Debian and FSF docs (was: Man pages for gcc)

2021-12-10 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:41:01PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 31 oct 21, 17:37:10, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > This is because GNU releases their documentation under a different license > > > than their source code. And Debian considers the GNU documentation > > > license to be

Re: Debian and FSF docs (was: Man pages for gcc)

2021-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 31 oct 21, 17:37:10, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > This is because GNU releases their documentation under a different license > > than their source code. And Debian considers the GNU documentation > > license to be non-free (rightly so, because it prohibits distributing > > modified versions).

Re: Man pages for gcc

2021-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 07 nov 21, 08:08:51, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Paul M. Foster wrote: > > > Folks: > > > > I'm sure everyone but me knows this, but I can't find a man > > page for gcc. > > Everyone knows it ... but this question has still been asked > one zillion time

Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?

2021-11-15 Thread David Wright
On Mon 15 Nov 2021 at 09:04:55 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > ├─sda1 8:10 260M 0 part /boot/efi 4C30-7972 > > i wrote: > > > The universe must be small where this FAT UUID is unique. > > David Wright wrote: > > I think I can live with odds of

Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?

2021-11-15 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > ├─sda1 8:10 260M 0 part /boot/efi 4C30-7972 i wrote: > > The universe must be small where this FAT UUID is unique. David Wright wrote: > I think I can live with odds of 1:4294967296. Don't forget the birthday paradox. For getting a first collision you

Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?

2021-11-14 Thread David Wright
PARTTYPE,PARTLABEL,PARTUUID,MODEL,SIZE | head -1 > | wc -c > 207 Ah yes, you're right. The redirected output is always the minimum required for columnating the headings and data. It's the /screen/ output that I can't control, ie the amount of overlap employed is always that which just fills

Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?

2021-11-14 Thread Thomas Schmitt
i get 206 bytes per line (plus newline) printed to stdout: $ lsblk -o NAME,KNAME,FSTYPE,LABEL,UUID,PARTTYPE,PARTLABEL,PARTUUID,MODEL,SIZE | head -1 | wc -c 207 In the newest version of the man page https://sources.debian.org/src/util-linux/2.37.2-4/misc-utils/lsblk.8/#L179 i see an option

Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?

2021-11-14 Thread David Wright
On Sat 13 Nov 2021 at 18:37:34 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 04:06:43PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > > > Gene, the answer is, anythng the TYPE of which is a valid file system. > > Try, e.g.: > > > > blkid | grep -E -i \(ext\|ntfs\|fat\) > > lsblk is a lot easier

Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?

2021-11-14 Thread Andy Smith
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 07:26:11PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > Is not me thats confused Yes, it still is. > but both lsblk and blkid spitting out 4 sets of identical UUID's as all > drives are identical. Like I have told you many many times in this thread, the *context* of the UUID matters.

Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?

2021-11-13 Thread Gene Heskett
cades. It's well understood and well documented. If you > >> look. First you complain that fs UUIDs are volatile, now you > >> complain that fs labelling is hard without even doing the most > >> basic research. At least these topics have been adequately covered

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