Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-12 Thread Joel Rees
Rather than answering all the naysayers individually, I'll explain again, publicly, why I suggested the numbers I did. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Okay, I installed debian now, a perfect install with LVM. > Here is the output of df -H > > Filesystem Size

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > > Okay I figured out how to make more partitions on LVM, just want to > make sure if the bootable flag on the LVM should be ON or OFF If you're using grub (which you must be if "/boot" is an LV or part of an LV), you don't need that flag.

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 12/02/14 09:56, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 00:34 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Ma, 11 feb 14, 23:20:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> IOW there is no reason why somebody shouldn't install >>> nearly all available packages. Depending on your definition of "reason" ;p >> >> Of co

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 00:34 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 11 feb 14, 23:20:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > IOW there is no reason why somebody shouldn't install > > nearly all available packages. > > Of course there is. Besides the waste of space there are many packages > that run daemons whi

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 feb 14, 10:15:20, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Okay I figured out how to make more partitions on LVM, just want to > make sure if the bootable flag on the LVM should be ON or OFF grub and/or Linux doesn't care much about the bootable flag. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsF

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 feb 14, 23:20:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IOW there is no reason why somebody shouldn't install > nearly all available packages. Of course there is. Besides the waste of space there are many packages that run daemons which one might not need. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.o

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 21:14 +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > ACTIVE'/dev/Debian/Root' [8.19 GiB] inherit > - The size of the Root LV is more than plenty for /+/usr > combined for all but the biggest installs. No, it isn't, if you will test plenty of DEs and if you will add many large

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:11:50PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Okay, I installed debian now, a perfect install with LVM. > Here is the output of df -H > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > rootfs 8.7G 330M 7.9G 5% / > udev 11M

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 05:00:11PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Anubhav Yadav: > > Okay, I installed debian now, a perfect install with LVM. > > Here is the output of df -H > > > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > rootfs 8.7G 330M 7.9G 5% / > >

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice. [Solved]

2014-02-11 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> You usually can get away with a much smaller root filesystem if you use > a separate /usr. The good thing is that you won't run into trouble with > dozens of kernels installed (they take more than 100MB in /lib/modules > each). I am still learning. And I am not that strict on space as I have a 7

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Jochen Spieker
Anubhav Yadav: > Okay, I installed debian now, a perfect install with LVM. > Here is the output of df -H > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > rootfs 8.7G 330M 7.9G 5% / You usually can get away with a much smaller root filesystem if you use a separ

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Anubhav Yadav
Okay, I installed debian now, a perfect install with LVM. Here is the output of df -H Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on rootfs 8.7G 330M 7.9G 5% / udev 11M 0 11M 0% /dev tmpfs830M 754k 830M 1% /run /

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Okay I figured out how to make more partitions on LVM, just want to > make sure if the bootable flag on the LVM should be ON or OFF I don't think LVM partitions can be booted at this point in time without having more fun than you thought you

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Anubhav Yadav
Okay I figured out how to make more partitions on LVM, just want to make sure if the bootable flag on the LVM should be ON or OFF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Yes. Partition manually, and create a partition to hold *all* your > Linux data. However, rather than selecting a filesystem type, you > choose "Physical volume for LVM", and then configure LVM. It will > then let you use this partition for a new LVM volume group. Once > that's done you can a

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > [...] > Windows was very bad again and it created two primary partitions,one 79 GB > for the windows, and the other 86 mb for bootloader. Funny thing about that. They're sort of imitating the Linux community with that, except the Linux comm

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 07:55:38PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Hello everyone, I have got some good news. > The hdd is now back from the dead,alive and working well. Alright! > I went to my friend who had that casing. He attached my hdd to > his windows 7 machine and as usual, it didn't show up

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:20:29AM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > I am reading a lot on LVM, and it seems that I have a small doubt. I > found this on tldp HOWTO on LVM: > > > root on LVM requires an initrd image that activates the root LV. If a > > kernel is upgraded without building the necessar

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Anubhav Yadav
I am reading a lot on LVM, and it seems that I have a small doubt. I found this on tldp HOWTO on LVM: > root on LVM requires an initrd image that activates the root LV. If a kernel > is upgraded without building the necessary initrd image, that >kernel will be > unbootable. Newer distributions s

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:46:59PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > >From the three possible choice you have enlisted me, I think lvm seems > to be the best option for me, ' > so that I can give very little allocation to /var or /temp, and I can > later expand these logical volumes whenever > required

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Anubhav Yadav
>From the three possible choice you have enlisted me, I think lvm seems to be the best option for me, ' so that I can give very little allocation to /var or /temp, and I can later expand these logical volumes whenever required? A couple of questions: 1) Suppose I give more allocation to /var and

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 04:23:27PM -0500, Doug wrote: > On 02/09/2014 04:05 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > /snip/ > > On W > > On Linux, there are three possibilities which mitigate all these > > things: > > > > 1) Use LVM. You can use the entire drive as a single physical volume > > (PV) and the

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Anubhav Yadav
Hello everyone, I have got some good news. The hdd is now back from the dead,alive and working well. I went to my friend who had that casing. He attached my hdd to his windows 7 machine and as usual, it didn't show up. So I had a debian laptop with me , and I connected the hdd to that laptop and

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Joel Rees
Do you have a live CD/DVD/USB/SD? You might ask your friend to let you download Knoppix, for instance, and burn it to a CD. Or the install disk should do, really, if you are comfortable with the command line. Go into the BIOS with the drive detached. Set the BIOS to boot to install media first, w

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Doug wrote: > [...] > I don't understand LVM, but I tried to install some distro just to > learn about it, and it would only install using LVM, which meant > that it would only install on the entire hard drive. No partitions, > no Windows, no nothing. I installed i

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > [...] > And, sorry to seem slow, but why would a messed up hard drive prevent > access to the BIOS? Now a faulty motherboard could, and it is not > unheard of for repairs to fail to function. While there is a possibility that he's taken the cov

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-10 Thread Joe
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:24:41 -0500 Doug wrote: > > I remember seeing you or someone writing that multiple partitions > are not useful. I respectfully disagree. Unless someone is storing a > humongous amount of files on their system, there should be lots of > space available on a 1TB drive for W

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/10/14, Schlacta, Christ wrote: >> 3) Use ZFS. Allocate the drive as a single zpool. You can then create >> I've tried all three. For Linux, using LVM is easy and can be done > I use zfs with debian wheezy, and am migrating to using zfs almost > ZFS is awesome, and I've never lost any d

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Schlacta, Christ
> > 3) Use ZFS. Allocate the drive as a single zpool. You can then create >zfs volumes for all the separate bits. However, you don't have the >space wastage issues since all the data is in a single pool, and >you can adjust the size allocations/quotas on demand for each >individu

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Doug
On 02/09/2014 05:04 PM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 16:23:27 -0500 Doug wrote: I don't understand LVM, but I tried to install some distro just to learn about it, and it would only install using LVM, which meant that it would only install on the entire hard drive. No partitions, no Windows,

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Joe
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 16:23:27 -0500 Doug wrote: > > > I don't understand LVM, but I tried to install some distro just to > learn about it, and it would only install using LVM, which meant > that it would only install on the entire hard drive. No partitions, > no Windows, no nothing. I installed i

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Doug
On 02/09/2014 04:05 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: /snip/ On W On Linux, there are three possibilities which mitigate all these things: 1) Use LVM. You can use the entire drive as a single physical volume (PV) and then carve it up into separate logical volumes (LVs). This allows exactly the s

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:31:06PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > yaro wrote: > > Separate /usr is unneeded and actually complicates boot for little benefit. > > It allows you to mount it read-only (or not at all when there's a > problem). It only complicates boot due to the practice of putting

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 08:27:15AM -0800, David Guntner wrote: > > It's not just a matter of capacity. I've got a 1TB drive, and I still > partition them into separate sections: > > > $ df -k > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used > > Available Use% Mounte

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 2/9/2014 2:57 AM, Schlacta, Christ wrote: On Feb 8, 2014 10:27 PM, "David Christensen" mailto:dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>> wrote: > > On 02/08/2014 09:54 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: >> >> You mean to say, I should remove my hdd, boot my laptop using a usb, >> and then connect the hdd live in

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 01:12:06 -0800 David Christensen wrote: ... > diagnostic tool. Again, beware that bad HDD electronics can damage > whatever you plug the HDD into, so choose your Guinea pigs carefully: Never heard that before, but I'm certainly no expert on such things. Do have further inf

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 11:24:54AM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > > What happens if you post the laptop, then engage the hard drive after you > > boot into a Linux live usb? > > You mean to say, I should remove my hdd, boot my laptop using a usb, > and then connect the hdd live into the laptop? >

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread David Christensen
On 02/08/2014 11:55 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: I wanted to partition the hdd,but now my hdd has been corrupt ... My next step would be to download, burn, and run the HDD manufacturer's diagnostic tool. Again, beware that bad HDD electronics can damage whatever you plug the HDD into, so choose

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Have you checked the OP's hard drive and friend's laptop for SATA hot-plug > interoperability specification compliance? Although I am a CS student, I should better wait, and not put my friend's hdd in jeopardy. I will report what happens when I get my hands on the casing and connect the broken h

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread David Christensen
On 02/08/2014 11:57 PM, Schlacta, Christ wrote: ... panels that also protect ram or any other pcbs, you generally shouldn't run system with those covers missing. +1 Wikipedia has it in fairly simple words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Hotplug "The Serial ATA Spec includes lo

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Understand that if the HDD has bad electronics, anything you plug it into > could be damaged. > Do you have an anti-static wrist strap and spare anti-static bags? No, But I got myself a meeting with my friend who runs a laptop repairing shop, who is willing to give me access to his hdd casing.

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-09 Thread David Christensen
On 02/08/2014 10:29 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: Now, If I remove my hdd and plug it in the dell laptop and then boot the laptop? Understand that if the HDD has bad electronics, anything you plug it into could be damaged. I always keep an old desktop machine around as my "workbench". If I smo

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Schlacta, Christ
On Feb 8, 2014 10:27 PM, "David Christensen" wrote: > > On 02/08/2014 09:54 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: >> >> You mean to say, I should remove my hdd, boot my laptop using a usb, >> and then connect the hdd live into the laptop? >> Can it further damage the hdd? > > > YES! > > And, damage the motherb

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> YES! > > And, damage the motherboard. > NO! I was waiting for someone to reply. Thanks! Now, If I remove my hdd and plug it in the dell laptop and then boot the laptop? Can I try that? And then maybe connect a live usb to that? Will it work? -- Regards, Anubhav Yadav Imperial College of Engin

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread David Christensen
On 02/08/2014 09:54 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: You mean to say, I should remove my hdd, boot my laptop using a usb, and then connect the hdd live into the laptop? Can it further damage the hdd? YES! And, damage the motherboard. I should give this a try! NO! If you want to hot-plug hard dr

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> What happens if you post the laptop, then engage the hard drive after you > boot into a Linux live usb? You mean to say, I should remove my hdd, boot my laptop using a usb, and then connect the hdd live into the laptop? Can it further damage the hdd? I should give this a try! -- Regards, Anub

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Don't give up yet. Have you a friend who could let you look at your > hard-drive yourself? I have got a friend's laptop (Dell) right now in my room, so I am thinking of removing my hdd and putting that hdd on the dell laptop and trying to get into a linux boot using the hdd. > > And, sorry to

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Schlacta, Christ
On Feb 8, 2014 12:26 PM, "Anubhav Yadav" wrote: > > > On 9 Feb 2014 01:41, "Schlacta, Christ" wrote: > > > > If it was a Windows system they connected your drive to, they probably didn't actually give it a good checking . A new hard drive can be had for between $50 and $150 depending on your need

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 08 February 2014 10:21:07 Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Something really bad happened. I went to format all my partitions > from the windows 8 installation menu (Bootable usb) and when I went > to format boot partition of windows 100 mb,the installer hanged > (typical of windows) After waiting

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread David Christensen
On 02/08/2014 02:21 AM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: Something really bad happened. ... No problem. Part of the FOSS hobby is breaking your toy and then having to fix it. :-) First, looking back on this thread, I see a meta-problem. Please read these (adjust for context): http://www.email

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Someone asked how much RAM you have. How much? 1G is not enough with Gnome 3. > > More than 4G is more than is necessary under many "normal" loads, but > if you don't have 4G, 4G is reasonable. If you can add memory or > replace what you have and have the money to spare. I have 8 GB ram :) > Wh

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-08 Thread Anubhav Yadav
Something really bad happened. I went to format all my partitions from the windows 8 installation menu (Bootable usb) and when I went to format boot partition of windows 100 mb,the installer hanged (typical of windows) After waiting for say half an hour, I hard-rebooted the laptop and it was stuck

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-07 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:50:21PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 06/02/14 21:32, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > I meant an example of stuff which should be in / but are in fact in /usr. > > Sorry. I'm curious about that too. http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=%2Fusr+site%3Alists.debian.org%2F

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-07 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:27:55AM +, Klaus wrote: > > On 07/02/14 23:42, Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:38:36AM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > >>I face a question now: > >>1) Should I take time to learn a new twm, or should I install both twm and > >>xfce. > >apt-cache s

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-07 Thread Klaus
On 07/02/14 23:42, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:38:36AM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: I face a question now: 1) Should I take time to learn a new twm, or should I install both twm and xfce. apt-cache show twm, there is only one! :) Ah, Friday night apt-cache search twm !

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-07 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:38:36AM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > I face a question now: > 1) Should I take time to learn a new twm, or should I install both twm and > xfce. apt-cache show twm, there is only one! :) -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who ar

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-07 Thread Joel Rees
butsu butsu butsu butsu ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Hello list, > > I have an Asus laptop, with 720 gigs hardisk and i5 processor. > Right now I have a dual boot of Windoze (only for playing fifa > and assassins creed) and debian wheezy 64 bit. Someone suggested VM

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.02.2014 06:08, Anubhav Yadav a écrit : Simply that, if you intend to take i3, you will have to learn to think differently. My opinion is that tiling wm are far more efficient than classic stacking window managers, but it indeed changed my habits. Since then, for example, I do not use an

Fwd: Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-07 Thread Scott Ferguson
resent to list Original Message Subject: Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice. Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 22:25:18 +1100 From: Scott Ferguson To: Anubhav Yadav On 07/02/14 16:01, Anubhav Yadav wrote: >> Defining "desktop" is the tri

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-06 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Simply that, if you intend to take i3, you will have to learn to think > differently. My opinion is that tiling wm are far more efficient than > classic stacking window managers, but it indeed changed my habits. Since > then, for example, I do not use any file explorer, they are slower than > com

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-06 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Defining "desktop" is the tricky bit (to some it only means where the > box sits). In this instance I've assumed the OP means office apps, bit > of gaming, internet apps - so I'd go go for a two slice setup, with a > separate / and /home, with and a swap file. For a similar "desktop" in a > busin

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-06 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 06/02/14 21:32, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 06.02.2014 11:03, Scott Ferguson a écrit : >> On 06/02/14 20:09, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >>> >>> >>> Le 05.02.2014 19:31, John Hasler a écrit : yaro wrote: > Separate /usr is unneeded and actually complicates b

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-06 Thread berenger . morel
Le 06.02.2014 11:03, Scott Ferguson a écrit : On 06/02/14 20:09, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 05.02.2014 19:31, John Hasler a écrit : yaro wrote: Separate /usr is unneeded and actually complicates boot for little benefit. It allows you to mount it read-only (or not at all when

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-06 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 06/02/14 20:09, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 05.02.2014 19:31, John Hasler a écrit : >> yaro wrote: >>> Separate /usr is unneeded and actually complicates boot for little >>> benefit. >> >> It allows you to mount it read-only (or not at all when there's a >> problem). It only

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-06 Thread berenger . morel
Le 05.02.2014 15:08, Anubhav Yadav a écrit : I do not know for awesome, but for i3, the reason could be to avoid learning a new way of thinking. I3 is not only efficient in a memory and CPU point of view, but also in term of user's time, if you learn how to use it. Tiling Wm are different fr

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-06 Thread berenger . morel
Le 05.02.2014 19:31, John Hasler a écrit : yaro wrote: Separate /usr is unneeded and actually complicates boot for little benefit. It allows you to mount it read-only (or not at all when there's a problem). It only complicates boot due to the practice of putting stuff that belongs under /

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 02/05/2014 03:00 PM, David Christensen wrote: > I liked Gnome 2 on Debian 5 and 6. When I upgraded to Debian 7, I > disliked Gnome 3. So, I settled for Xfce. Since then, I've > discovered MATE -- a fork of Gnome 2 with packages available for > Debian (and others): > > http://mate-desktop

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread David Christensen
On 02/04/2014 11:16 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: ... when my computer boots up, it takes like 25 seconds more to get started after entering the username and password. That is 25 seconds of more wait after logging in. That's a symptom of misconfigured and/or conflicting software packages. Another

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread David Christensen
On 02/05/2014 12:43 AM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: It's GDM. I haven't tried any other on this laptop, I can install lightDM. But then after formatting I am going to ditch gnome and switch to awesome. I liked Gnome 2 on Debian 5 and 6. When I upgraded to Debian 7, I disliked Gnome 3. So, I settled

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread John Hasler
yaro wrote: > Separate /usr is unneeded and actually complicates boot for little benefit. It allows you to mount it read-only (or not at all when there's a problem). It only complicates boot due to the practice of putting stuff that belongs under / under /usr. > Most Linux distributions rely o

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread David Guntner
y...@marupa.net grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 08:27:15 AM David Guntner wrote: >> Can't speak for him, but for me it's a segmenting issue. If I have to >> wipe / for example, I'm not wiping things in /usr or /usr/local (where >> my locally-installed programs go) u

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I prefer to have everything in /, even /home, but OTOH data for audio productions always gets to another HDD than to the HDD where the Linux is installed. The advantage of having everything in / is that HDD space automatically is allocated as needed, OTOH regarding to performance I use a second HDD

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread yaro
On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 08:27:15 AM David Guntner wrote: > Zenaan Harkness grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > On 2/5/14, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > >>[...] > >> > > Nowadays, the only partitions I use are: > > /boot - about 1GiB > > Unless you're planning on having a lot of different kernels i

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread David Guntner
Zenaan Harkness grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On 2/5/14, Anubhav Yadav wrote: >>[...] > Nowadays, the only partitions I use are: > /boot - about 1GiB Unless you're planning on having a lot of different kernels installed, you really don't need a full gig for /boot (it doesn't hurt anything, thou

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> I do not know for awesome, but for i3, the reason could be to avoid learning > a new way of thinking. I3 is not only efficient in a memory and CPU point of > view, but also in term of user's time, if you learn how to use it. Tiling Wm > are different from the standard ones. > I don't really get

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Brian
On Wed 05 Feb 2014 at 18:29:01 +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > > Network Manager isn't good, it's bad, however if you like it, you can > > use it with Xfce too and don't worry about installing GNOME > > dependencies, since Xfce is based on much GNOME stuff. Regarding to > > Thunar vs Nautlius, note

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread berenger . morel
Le 05.02.2014 13:59, Anubhav Yadav a écrit : Network Manager isn't good, it's bad, however if you like it, you can use it with Xfce too and don't worry about installing GNOME dependencies, since Xfce is based on much GNOME stuff. Regarding to Thunar vs Nautlius, note that if you install all th

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Network Manager isn't good, it's bad, however if you like it, you can > use it with Xfce too and don't worry about installing GNOME > dependencies, since Xfce is based on much GNOME stuff. Regarding to > Thunar vs Nautlius, note that if you install all that automatic crap, > than Thunar anyway wi

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 17:49 +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > I have tried xfce and I believe that its a great great desktop environment, > However I am restricted in using that for a couple of reasons. > 1) It does not seem to have a good network manager. > the network manager in gnome lets us define

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> The slowness you've been > noticing, as people have pointed out, may be due do GNOME and > whichever start-up proggies it has. I'd recommend LXDE, XFCE or > fluxbox instead of awesome though. > I have tried xfce and I believe that its a great great desktop environment, However I am restricted in

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I stay with MBR and recommend before switching to LVM, to test the usage in a virtual machine. As long as the maximum size of your HDDs is <= 2 TB MBR doesn't cause issues and it definitively is easier to use MBR than LVM, including resizing partitions. The advantage that you can enlarge a "partiti

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Hi, On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > 2) As you can see in the screenshot, gparted shows that the hdd is > only 698 gb whereas when purchased it was 720 GB. Any ways to recover > the lost sectors back? As people pointed out, GB and GiB are different[1]. However, 720GB is 670

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 05 February 2014 08:43:15 Anubhav Yadav wrote: > > Also, does it just wait as though it is checking your > > credentials, or do you actually login, but get a spinning cursor > > or something else? > > Yes, spinning cursor! Exactly! As you suggest yourself, ditch GNOME 3. Lisi -- T

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 05 February 2014 06:33:35 Anubhav Yadav wrote: > 2) As you can see in the screenshot, gparted shows that the hdd is > only 698 gb whereas when purchased it was 720 GB. Any ways to > recover the lost sectors back? No, it does not say that you have 698 Gigabytes (decimal), it says that

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread berenger . morel
Le 05.02.2014 07:46, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : On 2/5/14, Anubhav Yadav wrote: Hello list, I have an Asus laptop, with 720 gigs hardisk and i5 processor. Right now I have a dual boot of Windoze (only for playing fifa and assassins creed) and debian wheezy 64 bit. Here is the screenshot of

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Anubhav Yadav
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:46:07PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: >> >> Because when my computer boots up, it takes like 25 seconds more >> to get started after entering the username and password. That is 25 seconds >> of more wait after loggin

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 12:46:07PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > > Because when my computer boots up, it takes like 25 seconds more > to get started after entering the username and password. That is 25 seconds > of more wait after logging in. Is that logging in at the tty prompt or through a GDM,

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread David Christensen
On 02/04/2014 11:00 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: The HDD I have in my laptop has somewhat low rpms, maybe that's the issue? Its a sata HDD with 5400 rpms! 5400 vs. 7200 RPM is measurable, but HDD vs. SSD is amazing -- ~10 ms seek time vs. ~100 us latency (2 orders of magnitude!). This is most no

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-05 Thread David Christensen
On 02/04/2014 10:33 PM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: I have an Asus laptop, with 720 gigs hardisk and i5 processor. Right now I have a dual boot of Windoze ... and debian wheezy 64 bit. Debian takes a lots of time for booting up ... There was a tool which gave the read-write speeds of my hdd, that was me

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-04 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> Assumptions cannot necessarily be proven wrong. > > Please prove your assumption is right. If you attempt to do this, you > will find your assumption is wrong. > > Also: How do you do upgrade on Debian? > Answer this, and you will also prove yourself wrong. > > So, the job of proving is for the s

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/5/14, Anubhav Yadav wrote: >> I used to use multiple partitions as you do. >> >> Nowadays, the only partitions I use are: >> /boot - about 1GiB >> / - root partition, the rest >> This way, it's really simple, and the old reasons (for most home users >> at least) for having multiple partitions

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-04 Thread Anubhav Yadav
> I used to use multiple partitions as you do. > > Nowadays, the only partitions I use are: > /boot - about 1GiB > / - root partition, the rest > This way, it's really simple, and the old reasons (for most home users > at least) for having multiple partitions are no longer valid (separate > backups

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/5/14, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 2/5/14, Anubhav Yadav wrote: >> I have an Asus laptop, with 720 gigs hardisk and i5 processor. >> 2) As you can see in the screenshot, gparted shows that the hdd is >> only 698 gb whereas when purchased it was 720 GB. Any ways to recover >> the lost sector

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 2/5/14, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Hello list, > > I have an Asus laptop, with 720 gigs hardisk and i5 processor. > Right now I have a dual boot of Windoze (only for playing fifa > and assassins creed) and debian wheezy 64 bit. > Here is the screenshot of my current partitions. > http://i.imgur.co

About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

2014-02-04 Thread Anubhav Yadav
Hello list, I have an Asus laptop, with 720 gigs hardisk and i5 processor. Right now I have a dual boot of Windoze (only for playing fifa and assassins creed) and debian wheezy 64 bit. Debian takes a lots of time for booting up and some folks on irc said that I should be trying systemd. I did tha

Re: Partitioning advice, 13.9 GB HD

2003-06-10 Thread Mark Ferlatte
Karsten M. Self said on Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:27:00PM +0100: > > encountered is discover, so it's a pretty small number). > > This is a bug and should be reported as such. It was reported, but not by me. > Does Bug #178944 match your observations? That would be the one. M pgp0.pgp Des

Re: Partitioning advice, 13.9 GB HD

2003-06-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 05:08:22PM +0100, Ben Kal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 4 Jun 2003 lists1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <...> > > Did I make opt too small? > > Only you may know. What would you want to put into it? It is true that > by default there is no /opt in a Debian installation, bu

Re: Partitioning advice, 13.9 GB HD

2003-06-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:36:41PM -0700, Mark Ferlatte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > lists1 said on Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 03:34:13PM -0400: > > The box is 1.3 Ghz, 128 MB ram, single 13.9 GB hard disk. Planned use, is > > light apache, light bind, light mail server (debian mailing list will be the

Re: Partitioning advice, 13.9 GB HD Thanks

2003-06-10 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 12:25:56AM +0200, Frank Gevaerts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 05:51:12PM -0400, lists1 wrote: > > Thanks to all. I'm going to print out the Partitioning mini-faq, as it > > answers some other questions, and I'll use the examples for suid, remount,

Re: Partitioning advice, 13.9 GB HD

2003-06-07 Thread Ben Kal
On 5 Jun 2003 "Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Ben Kal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [snip] >> AFAIK the guide to the size of swap is the amount of RAM: make it equal to >> or twice that amount. By that standard you can cut down swap at least to >> half what you now plan to make it.

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