Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 12 May 2013, Geowany Alves wrote: Era aí que eu queria chegar. Eu já tinha feito uma troca apenas do kernel para 64bits e não percebi nenhuma diferença. A única diferença que Tente testar a performance de IO com mais de 12GiB de RAM. Se brincar, com 8GiB o 32bits+PAE já vai começar a

RE: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-14 Thread d4n1
utilizar uma versão 32bits dai tive que voltar pro 32 bits para não ficar sem a impressora. -- Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:49 -0400 Subject: Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit From: rof20...@gmail.com To: marcioviniciu...@gmail.com CC: debian-user-portuguese

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-13 Thread Rodolfo
Nao perde nada, so deixa de ganhar, hehehe Em 11 de maio de 2013 16:24, Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro marcioviniciu...@gmail.com escreveu: Gostaria de saber em termos técnicos e práticos o que eu perco se instalar o Debian 32 bit em um PC com Intel Core2duo ao invés do Debian 64-bit. Grato. - -

RE: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-13 Thread Vitor Hugo
resolvi instalar o debian 64 e quando quase tudo estava pronto não havia drivers para a impressora brother em 64 bits e recomendavam utilizar uma versão 32bits dai tive que voltar pro 32 bits para não ficar sem a impressora. Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:15:49 -0400 Subject: Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 12 May 2013, Geowany Alves wrote: Eu tenho 8Gb de RAM e utilizo atualmente o Debian no desktop com kernel 32bits com PAE (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension). É recomendado utilizar o kernel 64 bits nesse caso. O resto pode continuar em 32 bits. Aliás, se a

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-12 Thread Geowany Alves
Oi Henrique, Meses atrás eu estava usando Kubuntu 12.04 LTS 32bits e migrei pra uma instalação limpa com 64 bits. Percebi uma diferença considerável até mesmo na inicialização do KDE. Então eu fiz uma instalação do Debian com KDE mas com kernel 32 com PAE. Seria então possivel eu migrar para um

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 12 May 2013, Geowany Alves wrote: Então eu fiz uma instalação do Debian com KDE mas com kernel 32 com PAE. Seria então possivel eu migrar para um kernel 64 sem precisar fazer outro fresh install? Ou o fresh install seria recomendável? Não precisa reinstalar se você quer um kernel 64

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-12 Thread P. J.
Em 12/05/13, Geowany Alvesgeowany.a...@gmail.com escreveu: Quanto à arquitetura percebi que o debian tem mais pacotes compilados pra amd64 do que pra ia64. O amd64 não é para somente AMD! e ia64 não é equivalente a versão 64bits da Intel e sim para uma familia espeficia de processadores dela,

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-12 Thread Geowany Alves
P. J. Era aí que eu queria chegar. Eu já tinha feito uma troca apenas do kernel para 64bits e não percebi nenhuma diferença. A única diferença que realmente percebo é quando instalo apps + kernel 64 bits em servidores que realmente são mais exigentes do que um simples desktop. Nunca vi tanta

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-11 Thread Gunther Furtado
nada Em 11 de maio de 2013 17:24, Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro marcioviniciu...@gmail.com escreveu: Gostaria de saber em termos técnicos e práticos o que eu perco se instalar o Debian 32 bit em um PC com Intel Core2duo ao invés do Debian 64-bit. Grato. - - - · Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-11 Thread Thiago Marinello
Na prática: depende. Se você usar até 4GB de RAM, 32bits seria o recomendado. Um processador com 64bits permite endereçar mais memória RAM, porem usar um SO 64bits faz o consumo de memória também aumentar. Isso por que um típico valor inteiro em um programa 64bits usa o dobro de memória, logo, o

Re: 32-bit versus 64-bit

2013-05-11 Thread Geowany Alves
Eu tenho 8Gb de RAM e utilizo atualmente o Debian no desktop com kernel 32bits com PAE (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension). Em 11 de maio de 2013 20:29, Thiago Marinello thi...@marinello.eng.brescreveu: Na prática: depende. Se você usar até 4GB de RAM, 32bits seria o

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 07:51:19AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Can one do this? Not: Is this easy, but merely: Is this something that is feasible? I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within the same install. That is, can I go

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Gary Dale
On 24/01/13 08:51 AM, Mark Allums wrote: Can one do this? Not: Is this easy, but merely: Is this something that is feasible? I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within the same install. That is, can I go from 32-bit kernel-arch

RE: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Mark Allums
From: Gary Dale [mailto:garyd...@rogers.com] I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within the same install. That is, can I go from 32-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland = 64-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland = 64-bit

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Gary Dale
On 24/01/13 09:35 AM, Mark Allums wrote: From: Gary Dale [mailto:garyd...@rogers.com] I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within the same install. That is, can I go from 32-bit kernel-arch + 32-bit userland = 64-bit

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-01-24 14:51 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: Can one do this? Not: Is this easy, but merely: Is this something that is feasible? I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within the same install. That is, can I go from 32-bit

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Gary Dale
On 24/01/13 09:51 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-01-24 14:51 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: Can one do this? Not: Is this easy, but merely: Is this something that is feasible? I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within the same

RE: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Mark Allums
From: Sven Joachim [mailto:svenj...@gmx.de] On 2013-01-24 14:51 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: Can one do this? Not: Is this easy, but merely: Is this something that is feasible? I have a 32-bit system that I would like to migrate into 64-bitness within the same basic framework, within

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: There are two problems with that: - Not all packages have been multiarchified, including some important packages with many reverse dependencies like perl and python. Crossgrading those will leave you with many broken

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: The third bit is the hard part. I am wondering if I should go from lucid to precise first, or do the 32/64-bit trick first. Or is there a way to do both at once? If I package it into a virtual machine instance, first, then I

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-01-24 16:58 +0100, Mark Allums wrote: The third bit is the hard part. I am wondering if I should go from lucid to precise first, or do the 32/64-bit trick first. Or is there a way to do both at once? With dpkg from lucid or precise you're out of luck anyway. The former is not

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-01-24 16:58 +0100, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: I have crossgraded some packages in i386 chroots that way, but in the current state of affairs I would definitely _not_ dare to try a full crossgrade on my main system with

Re: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-01-24 17:51 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-01-24 16:58 +0100, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: I have crossgraded some packages in i386 chroots that way, but in the current state of affairs I would definitely _not_ dare to

RE: 32-bit to 64-bit

2013-01-24 Thread Mark Allums
From: Sven Joachim [mailto:svenj...@gmx.de] On 2013-01-24 17:51 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-01-24 16:58 +0100, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: I have crossgraded some packages in i386 chroots that way, but in the