Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Oct16:1151-0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > It strikes me that there's actually very little that needs to be done. In > the short term, the world, including Debian, will continue to support > sysvinit scripts - if only because the BSDs aren't going anywhere, I expect > autotools will continue t

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:28:50 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: POINT OF CLARIFICATION: Nothing written below is nosh specific. It could be used with nosh, or upstart, or sysvinit, or any other PID1 that's *only* a PID1. So how about it, who wants to join me in neutering systemd on Deb

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:28:50 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: POINT OF CLARIFICATION: Nothing written below is nosh specific. It could be used with nosh, or upstart, or sysvinit, or any other PID1 that's *only* a PID1. So how about it, who wants to join me in neutering systemd on Debian and probably eve

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:52:58 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > >> systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. > >> (Modulo the willingness of the devs over there to discuss th

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 16 Oct 07:54 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: >> Would that be debian's sysv-init? > > That link is from the sysvinit-core package's description in Sid's > Aptitude. Presumably it is the upstream project. Thank you. I was under the impress

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 16 Oct 07:54 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > Would that be debian's sysv-init? That link is from the sysvinit-core package's description in Sid's Aptitude. Presumably it is the upstream project. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessim

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: >> systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo >> the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.) >> >> What I'm thinking is to talk about specific feature

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo > the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.) > > What I'm thinking is to talk about specific features to enable the sort of > "managing services" that systemd s