On 2019-08-10, Richard Hector wrote:
>
> Similarly, one of our local fuel stations has (or had) vouchers that say
> things like '10c per litre off every litre of fuel' - which also quickly
> gets into trouble if taken literally :-)
You mean that would mean 20c off the second litre and 30c off the
On 2019-08-10 23:44, Richard Hector wrote:
On 11/08/19 3:06 AM, David Wright wrote:
On Sat 10 Aug 2019 at 21:19:31 (+1200), Richard Hector wrote:
On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote:
Richard Hector wrote:
Sorry, this usage grates with me.
$amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount
On 11/08/19 3:06 AM, David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 10 Aug 2019 at 21:19:31 (+1200), Richard Hector wrote:
>> On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote:
>>> Richard Hector wrote:
>>>
Sorry, this usage grates with me.
$amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price
>
On Sat 10 Aug 2019 at 21:19:31 (+1200), Richard Hector wrote:
> On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote:
> > Richard Hector wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Sorry, this usage grates with me.
> >>
> >> $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price
> >>
> >> $x times $price means multiply $price b
On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote:
> Richard Hector wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, this usage grates with me.
>>
>> $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price
>>
>> $x times $price means multiply $price by $x
>>
>> so "2 times cheaper (than $450)" is:
>>
>> $450 - (2 x $450) = -$450.
Richard Hector wrote:
>
> Sorry, this usage grates with me.
>
> $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price
>
> $x times $price means multiply $price by $x
>
> so "2 times cheaper (than $450)" is:
>
> $450 - (2 x $450) = -$450.
so what multiplied by 2 gives 450?
450
On 10/08/19 6:20 AM, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:16:49PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>> When you say five times cheaper, I gather you're talking about the
>> prices for used units, in which case it's not really an
>> apples-to-apples comparison. At least when I checked, the new units on
>>
I bought a turris omnia router recently and so far it has worked out pretty
well.
--
Steven Mainor
On August 9, 2019 12:59:34 PM EDT, Reco wrote:
>On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>
>> > Steven Mainor writes:
>> > > It looks like there are some
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 10:14, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote:
>
> > Gene,
> > I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of
> > us! Bob Crochelt
>
> My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an
>
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:16:49PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 19:59:34 +0300
> Reco wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > > This one was very appealing
> > > https://www.amazon.de/DMC-Taiwan-Industrial-Networking-Processor/dp/B07T3
$430 is way above my budget. "Linksys" and "Wireless" are both
negatives. Maybe, if I could get it for $10 at a yard sale...
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 19:59:34 +0300
Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
...
> > This one was very appealing
> > https://www.amazon.de/DMC-Taiwan-Industrial-Networking-Processor/dp/B07T3TWYLJ/ref=sr_1_11?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=acros
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>
> > Steven Mainor writes:
> > > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now.
> >
> > Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I
> > think I'll order one today. The an
John Hasler wrote:
> Steven Mainor writes:
> > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now.
>
> Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I
> think I'll order one today. The ancient Dell I'm now using as a
> router/firewall is getting flaky. I've
On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote:
> Gene,
> I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of
> us! Bob Crochelt
My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an
extra half a 7.5gr warfarin pill a day to ward off another
clot/bloc
tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
[...]
> >My message was actually addressed to anyone
> > on the list, especially some writers with stronger language than
> > usual, but I can't recall you being part of this set. Yes, I
Steven Mainor writes:
> It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now.
Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I
think I'll order one today. The ancient Dell I'm now using as a
router/firewall is getting flaky. I've wanted to replace it some time
b
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
[...]
> Good morning tomás,
>
> Sincere apologies if you took it personally,
No worries, I didn't. Not as an offense, by the least. No need
to apoligize.
> I did not intend to
> targe
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 03:15, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote:
>
> > On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as
> > > Servers.
> >
> > At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up,
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
> > tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> > > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment,
> > > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-)
> >
> > Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it...
> >
> >
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 3:35 PM Steven Mainor wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus
> on
> security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5
> people at most.
>
> My requirements are:
>
> A server setup that can be run
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
> tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment,
> > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-)
>
> Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it...
>
> It sounds like
tomás, on 2019-08-09:
> (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment,
> but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-)
Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it...
It sounds like a good opportunity to recall the code of conduct
of the list; in addition to o
[...]
> No,
> I am helping the OP. As one wise man said once: from shit you can make only
> shit [...]
This wise man didn't know about agriculture, then.
(Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment,
but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-)
Nevermind, cheers
--
On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote:
> On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as
> > Servers.
>
> At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with
> clones of hardware and software near at hand. And runni
On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as Servers.
At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with clones
of hardware and software near at hand. And running Debian.
Under those conditions, they do just fine.
--
It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now.
--
Steven Mainor
On August 8, 2019 11:16:44 PM EDT, John Hasler wrote:
>Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights.
>> Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights.
> Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both
> (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian
> Buster.
The ESPRESSObin would fulfill my requirements, but does n
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> You might theoretically be helping millions of others reading along who
> appreciate your continued inout about a derived subject - but it is more
> sensible to me, and more visible to those who want that help, if you
> change the subject line to match your derived topic.
On 8/8/19 7:22 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
To summarize: if you're running ZFS, it can protect you from
lots of sources of data corruption. It can't protect you from
RAM errors without ECC, so you should opt for ECC if integrity
is your goal.
None of the other filesystems protect you against RAM error
On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:49:06PM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
So is the general consensus that there are no modern SBCs powerful enough to
run nextcloud on (apache, mariadb, php) or a mail server (typical postfix,
dovecot, opendkim, SpamAssassin etc... ) for a handful of people? That seems
hard
Steven Mainor wrote:
> So is the general consensus that there are no modern SBCs powerful enough to
> run nextcloud on (apache, mariadb, php) or a mail server (typical postfix,
> dovecot, opendkim, SpamAssassin etc... ) for a handful of people? That seems
> hard to believe.
>
I would certain
So is the general consensus that there are no modern SBCs powerful enough to
run nextcloud on (apache, mariadb, php) or a mail server (typical postfix,
dovecot, opendkim, SpamAssassin etc... ) for a handful of people? That seems
hard to believe.
--
Steven Mainor
On August 8, 2019 12:14:23 PM
On 2019-08-08, Dan Ritter wrote:
>>
>> I think you are missing the point: When someone asks a question on this
>> list, then that someone gets to decide what the question is.
>
> Sure. But they also bear the burden of communicating precisely
> what it is that they are asking for, and accepting
My experience with Linux forums over the years is that more effort is spent
trying to find reasons to call people asking questions lazy and stupid (or
dissing Windows/Windows users when the OP never even mentioned either) than
actually helping them.
So far this mailing list is below average on tha
Quoting Reco (2019-08-08 17:25:02)
> Hi.
>
> On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:54:17PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > > > Then Intel stopped making desktop boards and I wanted ZFS. ZFS
> > > > > wants ECC memory. It was time to migrate to server hardware.
> > > >
> > > > My understanding
Quoting deloptes (2019-08-08 17:13:03)
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Reading the whole initial post (not only first half) is good too ;-)
>
> But please, I tried to make the statement more precise, cause the
> first half contradicts the second. Of course you could use any
> hardware that runs li
Hi.
On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:54:17PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > > Then Intel stopped making desktop boards and I wanted ZFS. ZFS
> > > > wants ECC memory. It was time to migrate to server hardware.
> > >
> > > My understanding is that ZFS's need / desire for ECC is something
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Indeed.
>
> Reading the whole initial post (not only first half) is good too ;-)
But please, I tried to make the statement more precise, cause the first half
contradicts the second. Of course you could use any hardware that runs
linux as a server, but putting those dema
Quoting Dan Ritter (2019-08-08 16:22:07)
> Celejar wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 23:59:44 -0700
> > David Christensen wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > Get at least four internal SATA 6 Gbps ports -- boot disk, optical
> > > disk, two data disks (mirrored). I prefer six.
> >
> > Do most people ru
Quoting Dan Ritter (2019-08-08 16:19:37)
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Question was not "please advice on buying what you consider a
> > server" but "please advice on buying what original poster considers
> > a server".
>
> A bit of elucidation was in order, since to many people "server
> hard
Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 23:59:44 -0700
> David Christensen wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Get at least four internal SATA 6 Gbps ports -- boot disk, optical disk,
> > two data disks (mirrored). I prefer six.
>
> Do most people running servers really want / need an optical disk? As
> long a
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-08-08 12:39:35)
> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> >
> > > deloptes (12019-08-08):
> > > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as
> > > > server:
> > >
> > >
> > > I have observed that contributor
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 23:59:44 -0700
David Christensen wrote:
...
> Get at least four internal SATA 6 Gbps ports -- boot disk, optical disk,
> two data disks (mirrored). I prefer six.
Do most people running servers really want / need an optical disk? As
long as the machine can boot via USB, is a
Steven Mainor wrote:
> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary
> focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that
> will serve 3 to 5 people at most.
David Christensen writes:
> Have you considered a mail hosting provider? The Internet is a war
> zon
On Thursday, August 08, 2019 04:50:31 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (12019-08-08):
> > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server:
>
>
> I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency
> to fall in two categories:
>
> - those who try to unders
Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-08-08 12:39:35)
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > deloptes (12019-08-08):
> > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as
> > > server:
> >
> >
> > I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a
> > tendency
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (12019-08-08):
> > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server:
>
>
> I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency
> to fall in two categories:
>
> - those who try to understand what th
deloptes (12019-08-08):
> Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server:
I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency
to fall in two categories:
- those who try to understand what the original poster says in order to
reply in the most helpful mann
On Mi, 07 aug 19, 10:21:25, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights.
> Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both
> (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian
> Buster.
The Rock64Pro (possibly wi
On 8/6/19 10:29 PM, Steven Mainor wrote:
Hi all,
I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on
security.
Have you considered OpenBSD? Security is their top priority.
I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5
people at most.
Have you
Steven Mainor wrote:
> I would say a server is any piece of software or hardware that serves data
> to other devices.
>
Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server:
hardware
software
In your case you are talking about buying hardware - correct? And if you
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 17:12:20 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Michael Stone wrote:
>
> > Newer server hardware is much more power efficient and will draw very
> > little power when idle. This is one of the drawbacks to saving money by
> > using old hardware. (You can still use old hardware, just be sure
Am 07.08.2019 um 10:21 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 08:53:52)
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary
focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that
will serve
I would say a server is any piece of software or hardware that serves data to
other devices.
I have run an apache2/mariadb/php server from an old laptop with a headless LTS
Linux for over two years without issue.
Surely you aren't saying only a rack mounted 64 core monstrosity with a TB of
ram
Depends on what you're trying to do.
I run a small domain on a T1 without pictures or audio, so I'm using a
Raspberry Pi 3 as a server. Quite a bit faster than the old PDP-11s the
'Net started out with, and significantly less expensive. And smaller.
My domain used to be a lot larger, but still a
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 05:12:20PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
Michael Stone wrote:
Newer server hardware is much more power efficient and will draw very
little power when idle. This is one of the drawbacks to saving money by
using old hardware. (You can still use old hardware, just be sure it's
new
Michael Stone wrote:
> Newer server hardware is much more power efficient and will draw very
> little power when idle. This is one of the drawbacks to saving money by
> using old hardware. (You can still use old hardware, just be sure it's
> new enough that it's from the era when power efficiency
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 04:53:52PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
Years ago I build one to serve our needs at home. It has 4 virtual CPU and
32GB RAM - it uses 85Watt of power when not under load and it goes to above
100 if I compile software on it. It uses 10Watt more if I run a virtual
machine (virtual
Steven Mainor wrote:
> I would like to keep the budget under $500 not including the hard drive(s)
> I already have drives. Less is better.
When I read server hardware I understand also server hardware. It has many
CPUs a lot of ram, redundant power supply etc. It consumes a lot of power
and costs
On 2019-08-07 11:13, Nektarios Katakis wrote:
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 02:08:30 -0400
Steven Mainor wrote:
You are correct. That was an oversight.
Of all the items on that page I could probably afford the screwdriver
and the heatsinks.
I would like to keep the budget under $500 not including the
Hi.
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 05:58:57AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. Those seem like options to consider. The
> pre-orders for the helios4 seem to be sold out for now.
They are currently at fourth "campaign", i.e. they're manufacturing a
fourth batch. Supply is limi
Quoting Steven Mainor (2019-08-07 12:04:35)
> Perhaps you are right about usb 2.0. And the Olimex A64-OLinuXino does
> seem like a solid option otherwise.
>
> I wasn't able to verify which usb the Olimex A64-OLinuXino had. It
> didn't specifically say on the specs page. And the github link for t
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 02:08:30 -0400
Steven Mainor wrote:
> You are correct. That was an oversight.
>
> Of all the items on that page I could probably afford the screwdriver
> and the heatsinks.
>
> I would like to keep the budget under $500 not including the hard
> drive(s) I already have drives
Perhaps you are right about usb 2.0. And the Olimex A64-OLinuXino does seem
like a solid option otherwise.
I wasn't able to verify which usb the Olimex A64-OLinuXino had. It didn't
specifically say on the specs page. And the github link for the schematic seems
to be broken.
https://github.com
Thanks for the reply. Those seem like options to consider. The pre-orders for
the helios4 seem to be sold out for now.
--
Steven Mainor
On August 7, 2019 2:53:52 AM EDT, Reco wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for advice on how t
Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 10:53:35)
> On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 10:21:25AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in
> > > the day.
> >
> > Care to elaborate?
>
> Specifically it gave me an idea to buy that Linksys WRT1200.
> Works for me
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 10:21:25AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > That list is outdated somewhat. But it gave me good ideas back in the
> > day.
>
> Care to elaborate?
Specifically it gave me an idea to buy that Linksys WRT1200.
Works for me since stretch, the only disadvantages are the need
Quoting john doe (2019-08-07 09:33:35)
> On 8/7/2019 8:53 AM, Reco wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
> >> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary
> >> focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that
> >> will se
Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 08:53:52)
> On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
> > I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary
> > focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that
> > will serve 3 to 5 people at most.
> >
> > My requi
On 8/7/2019 8:53 AM, Reco wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on
>> security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5
>> people at most.
>>
>> My r
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on
> security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5
> people at most.
>
> My requirements are:
>
> A server setup t
You are correct. That was an oversight.
Of all the items on that page I could probably afford the screwdriver and the
heatsinks.
I would like to keep the budget under $500 not including the hard drive(s) I
already have drives. Less is better.
--
Steven Mainor
On August 7, 2019 1:52:15 AM EDT,
On 7/08/19 5:29 PM, Steven Mainor wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on
> security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5
> people at most.
>
> My requirements are:
>
> A server setup that can be run with co
Hi all,
I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on
security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5
people at most.
My requirements are:
A server setup that can be run with completely open source software and
doesn't require any bina
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